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#1 Dell Deaton

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Posted 13 May 2008 - 02:35 AM

Much as I've enjoyed participating in an appreciation Thread or two for other James Bond actors, I feel a particular drive to create one for Dalton, Timothy Dalton.

I saw both The Living Daylights and Licence to Kill first-run in the theatres. And I'd argue that in many subtle and uncelebrated ways, Mr. Dalton truly re-booted the series in the 1980s: Roger Moore owned the part, a formula was set, and it seemed as if everything that could be done had been done.

How wrong they were!

Who's with me in revisiting some of the scenes and stories that demonstrate just how great Timothy Dalton was as James Bond? I, for one, believe you could take any Ian Fleming novel and immediately see Mr. Dalton as the image that author had in mind. (And I don't feel it takes anything away from any other great 007 actor to say this.)

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Posted 13 May 2008 - 05:03 AM

I agree. Dalton in TLD was the first time I saw an official Bond movie in the theater.

He is excellent as Bond, and I often find myself putting TLD and LTK into the DVD player.

Some of my favourite moments -

TLD:-

"I need to use your phone......she'll call you back"

Car chase and cello skiing

The fight with Necros on the cargo net

LTK:-

Slowly instilling paranoia in Sanchez's mind about his own organisation, while staying at his house

"I hope you don't snore, Q"

Laughing as he plays with the money in the seaplane after a brilliant sequence

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Posted 13 May 2008 - 05:10 AM

I echo Loomis who said in another thread, that Connery and Dalton are the most influential Bond actors. Dalton is splendid.

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Posted 13 May 2008 - 05:11 PM

I agree. Dalton in TLD was the first time I saw an official Bond movie in the theater.

He is excellent as Bond, and I often find myself putting TLD and LTK into the DVD player.

Some of my favourite moments -

TLD:-

"I need to use your phone......she'll call you back"

Car chase and cello skiing

The fight with Necros on the cargo net

LTK:-

Slowly instilling paranoia in Sanchez's mind about his own organisation, while staying at his house

"I hope you don't snore, Q"

Laughing as he plays with the money in the seaplane after a brilliant sequence


My favorite line was when Dalton parachutes on to the yacht, takes a French babe's phone, and when she asks who he is he says, "Bond, James Bond."

Sean Connery always said it like you should drop dead upon hearing the name.

Moore always had this prissy way of raising one eyebrow when ever he said it.

Dalton sound like an annoyed man who's tone of voice was saying, "Hey leave me alone, can't you see I'm on the phone?"

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Posted 13 May 2008 - 07:16 PM

... "I need to use your phone......she'll call you back"....

My favorite line was when Dalton parachutes on to the yacht, takes a French babe's phone, and when she asks who he is he says, "Bond, James Bond."

Sean Connery always said it like you should drop dead upon hearing the name.

Moore always had this prissy way of raising one eyebrow when ever he said it.

Dalton sound like an annoyed man who's tone of voice was saying, "Hey leave me alone, can't you see I'm on the phone?"

What a great analysis! :tup: :tup:

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Posted 13 May 2008 - 07:43 PM

THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS was the first Bond movie I ever saw as a little kid. LICENSE TO KILL was the first Bond movie I saw in theaters (when I was 8). I think Timothy Dalton was a terrific James Bond and a criminally under-appreciated one. I think he's a much better 007 than Brosnan turned out to be.

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Posted 13 May 2008 - 08:06 PM

Okay, I'm watching parts of The Living Daylights now--
  • The way Bond's relationship developed w/ Saunders, how they took it from one of friction, to respect, to the genuine pain you could see when Saunders was killed: One of the best characterizations in the franchise!
  • Bonus points to this film for giving Dalton that comma of black hair to which Ian Fleming so frequently refers in the novels.


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Posted 13 May 2008 - 08:15 PM

Dalton is fantastic as Bond. Dalton, Connery and Craig are my three favorites in the role.

One of my favorite scenes is the chase in the Aston with the rather amusing dialogue, "Must be an at-moss-feer-rick ahnohmahlee" and "Amazing thing this modern safety glass" and "I've had a few optional extras installed".

Honestly, I liked the way Dalton delivered his "comic" lines.

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Posted 13 May 2008 - 09:12 PM

Praise to Tim for his unique interpretation to the character.

Out of his 2 films, my favourite is TLD.

As Daddy B mentioned, I also like some of the TD dialog in the car chase, especially "Salt corrosion" :tup:

Edited by BoogieBond, 13 May 2008 - 09:13 PM.


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Posted 14 May 2008 - 12:42 AM

I was a Dalton fan from the beginning. I was surprised as anybody when he got the part, only knowing him from Flash Gordon 1980. But there was something about him that told me a new era was beginning and he didn't disappoint.

I enjoyed gleaning the few tidbits we got back in those days as filming on TLD progressed, including that segment available on You Tube from Good Morning America when they are in an editing room working on the scene where Bond trails Kara and it hit home that Dalton was Bond. Another cool segment on Entertainment Tonight highlighting the upcoming movies of '87 showed the a quick "Bond, James Bond" from the teaser and it confirmed it even more.

I got the advance poster with the great tagline "The Most Dangerous Bond -- Ever" that built even more excitement. I think the thing about Dalton for me was he was the first actor that captured the way I somewhat imagined Bond in the novels. He had the look and I still think he comes closest.

I saw TLD with some of my best friends and afterwards had my first ever vodka martini, shaken not stirred. I couldn't wait for LTK and saw the teaser for that at Christmas time at a showing of Rain Man that built that excitement.

I liked LTK almost as much as TLD, seeing it on an early date with my future wife, and was put off that it didn't do well that summer. Ironically, we got married on August 6, 1994, which is the same date Dalton was named Bond in '86.

The gap after LTK was tough. That spring day in 1994 I found out Dalton was leaving the role wasn't unexpected, but sad. It was a tough time for us few Dalton fans. Nothing agains Brozza, but the knocks Dalton took were hard to take and unwarrented.

Now to watch the reappraisal of Dalton as Bond is gratifying. I always look back on his era as a great time for me personally and count those films as some of my favorites in the series.

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Posted 14 May 2008 - 01:15 AM

I agree. Dalton in TLD was the first time I saw an official Bond movie in the theater.

He is excellent as Bond, and I often find myself putting TLD and LTK into the DVD player.

Some of my favourite moments -

TLD:-

"I need to use your phone......she'll call you back"

Car chase and cello skiing

The fight with Necros on the cargo net

LTK:-

Slowly instilling paranoia in Sanchez's mind about his own organisation, while staying at his house

"I hope you don't snore, Q"

Laughing as he plays with the money in the seaplane after a brilliant sequence


My favorite line was when Dalton parachutes on to the yacht, takes a French babe's phone, and when she asks who he is he says, "Bond, James Bond."

Sean Connery always said it like you should drop dead upon hearing the name.

Moore always had this prissy way of raising one eyebrow when ever he said it.

Dalton sound like an annoyed man who's tone of voice was saying, "Hey leave me alone, can't you see I'm on the phone?"


Indeed. Dalton's delivery of the line is strictly business and unique to all others. It is almost a throwaway line he doesnt care about, he snaps it quickly, to brush her off while he is on the phone. Business first, pleasure later for Dalton.

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Posted 14 May 2008 - 01:27 AM

I agree. Dalton in TLD was the first time I saw an official Bond movie in the theater.

He is excellent as Bond, and I often find myself putting TLD and LTK into the DVD player.

Some of my favourite moments -

TLD:-

"I need to use your phone......she'll call you back"

Car chase and cello skiing

The fight with Necros on the cargo net

LTK:-

Slowly instilling paranoia in Sanchez's mind about his own organisation, while staying at his house

"I hope you don't snore, Q"

Laughing as he plays with the money in the seaplane after a brilliant sequence


My favorite line was when Dalton parachutes on to the yacht, takes a French babe's phone, and when she asks who he is he says, "Bond, James Bond."

Sean Connery always said it like you should drop dead upon hearing the name.

Moore always had this prissy way of raising one eyebrow when ever he said it.

Dalton sound like an annoyed man who's tone of voice was saying, "Hey leave me alone, can't you see I'm on the phone?"

Indeed. Dalton's delivery of the line is strictly business and unique to all others. It is almost a throwaway line he doesnt care about, he snaps it quickly, to brush her off while he is on the phone. Business first, pleasure later for Dalton.

Indeed, just imagine if Brosnan had delivered that line: He probably would have pulled the phone from his ear, turned to the woman, paused for a sigh as he raised his eyebrown, and smarmily rasped, "Eh... Bond; James Bond." :tup:

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Posted 15 May 2008 - 01:28 AM

... I got the advance poster with the great tagline "The Most Dangerous Bond -- Ever" that built even more excitement. I think the thing about Dalton for me was he was the first actor that captured the way I somewhat imagined Bond in the novels. He had the look and I still think he comes closest....

Like you, I saw both Timothy Dalton films first-run in the theatre. It's hard for anyone who missed that to truly appreciate what it was like then, not knowing what was coming next. Only knowing what is.

When I walked in to see Licence to Kill for the first time, I remember actually feeling apprehension. It was like all of the old rules about the Bond movies had been called into question, that anything could happen. He was truly in danger here. Think about how the movie delivered on that: First w/ the strangling, then "Give her his heart." The look on Della's dead face. And Felix, not just an established character, but an established actor in the role, returning here.

It carried through the rest of the film for me. It was fantastic, right through the near death of Bond in the cocaine crusher, and the brutal fight on the tankers. This takes nothing away from Daniel Craig or Casino Royale (wish I didn't feel I needed to make that disclaimer). But that's why I've always bristled when folks talked about something completely new or different.

Timothy Dalton had already been there, done that. First.

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Posted 16 May 2008 - 12:40 AM

It carried through the rest of the film for me. It was fantastic, right through the near death of Bond in the cocaine crusher, and the brutal fight on the tankers. This takes nothing away from Daniel Craig or Casino Royale (wish I didn't feel I needed to make that disclaimer). But that's why I've always bristled when folks talked about something completely new or different.

Timothy Dalton had already been there, done that. First.

I think CR and Craig only enhanced the Dalton era, people were reminded of how Bond could be, rather than the muddled Brosnan era that tried to be different at times but still clung to the tried and true for the most part.

As a result, Dalton is now getting more of the attention he deserved 20 years ago.

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Posted 16 May 2008 - 01:18 AM

Timothy Dalton was the Best James Bond for me. seeing The Living Daylights changed my life. i enjoy all the Bond movies but that Movie does it for me. my favourite moments and Dialogue from TLD:

The Pre-Titles sequence, The best in the whole Bond series.

Bond: "Why Didn't You Learn The Violin?"

The Ice Chase scene - You just KNOW it's gonna be good when the music kicks in.

Bond: "Glad I Insisted You Brought That Cello!"

Kara: "We're Free!"

Bond: "Kara, We're inside a Russian Air Base in the middle of Afghanistan..."

Kara: Well At Least we're together!"

Bond: "Terrific."

The way Bond looks at the Defence Minister when he has no clue what "Smiert Spionom" means and says "Death To Spies, Minister..."

Q: "Disorientates any normal person for about 30 seconds"

Bond: "You Don't find too many Normal People in this business, Q"

When Bond's cover's blown as he's leaving the plane after setting the Bomb.

Bond: "We have an old saying too Kyorgi.....and you're full of it"

The Fight with Necros on the cargo net.

Licence To Kill i relished even more, Bond unhinged? going off on a vendetta? Timothy Dalton playing Bond? My Favourite Moments and Dialogue of LTK:

Bond: "If i don't get you back for the wedding i'm a dead man for sure!"

Bond: "Let's Go Fishing!"

Bond and Pam having the argument in the boat -

Bond: "YOU saved MY Life?! It's a tough Business you've picked Miss Bouvier, Leave it to the professionals!"

Bond giving Killifer his due credit -

Bond: "You earnt it.....You keep it.....Old Buddy"

Bond turning Sanchez's loyalty card upside down

Sanchez: "I got the guy who set me up"

Bond: "Only one guy?"

British Agent: This is the property of Her Majesty's Government....How did YOU get it?"

Bond: "Piss Off..."

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Posted 16 May 2008 - 06:32 PM

It's good to see another pro-Dalton thread. While his movies themselves aren't my favorites, I've come to revere his two performances more and more. He takes a little getting used to. But I'll take his no-nonsense, let's do-it approach, blended with a dab of sweet romantic sadness, over the latter jaded Connery any old day of the week. Tim's The Dude.

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Posted 17 May 2008 - 10:29 AM

I think its safe to say Timothy Dalton was the first James Bond actor to actually portray James Bond.

He actually took the time and trouble to go back and read Fleming. He didnt just read Fleming he worked out the Bond character - his insecurities, his brittleness, his neurosis' - and brought them to the big screen. Connery played James Bond but it was Terence Youngs version of James Bond, Lazenby followed Connery and Moore turned James Bond into Roger Moore. Pierce Brosnan played him as a mix of Connery and Moore and ended up with nothing, and Craig? Well, his version is more Daltonesque at times then Dalton.

But it was Tim who, to me, was the first Fleming Bond. This was Bond at the end of his career - a cynical burn out case. In LTK his neurosis literally burst out and he becomes a dangerous maverick. But there is also something else in Daltons portrayal. Craig has portrayed him as a man who knows he is bad but is fighting against it and had his chance of humanity with Vespre Lynd. Daltons Bond has reached the end of his tether. There is a softer side there but it only comes out with Kara or the love scenes with Pam. Daltons Bond is the brittle shell of a man who has lived the dirty life for too long.

Its a brilliant portrayal and was original and I think not appreciated by cinemagoers at the time due to 12 years of Roger Moore. But some of us got it - and some of us thought we'd never see a Bond this good again.

Until Casino Royale came out. Although Craig and Connery come close - Dalton is the original and best James Bond.

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Posted 17 May 2008 - 12:07 PM

I think its safe to say Timothy Dalton was the first James Bond actor to actually portray James Bond.

He actually took the time and trouble to go back and read Fleming. He didnt just read Fleming he worked out the Bond character - his insecurities, his brittleness, his neurosis' - and brought them to the big screen. Connery played James Bond but it was Terence Youngs version of James Bond, Lazenby followed Connery and Moore turned James Bond into Roger Moore. Pierce Brosnan played him as a mix of Connery and Moore and ended up with nothing, and Craig? Well, his version is more Daltonesque at times then Dalton.

But it was Tim who, to me, was the first Fleming Bond. This was Bond at the end of his career - a cynical burn out case. In LTK his neurosis literally burst out and he becomes a dangerous maverick. But there is also something else in Daltons portrayal. Craig has portrayed him as a man who knows he is bad but is fighting against it and had his chance of humanity with Vespre Lynd. Daltons Bond has reached the end of his tether. There is a softer side there but it only comes out with Kara or the love scenes with Pam. Daltons Bond is the brittle shell of a man who has lived the dirty life for too long.

Its a brilliant portrayal and was original and I think not appreciated by cinemagoers at the time due to 12 years of Roger Moore. But some of us got it - and some of us thought we'd never see a Bond this good again.

Until Casino Royale came out. Although Craig and Connery come close - Dalton is the original and best James Bond.


I agree!

Craig's Bond in Casino royale was a much needed re-boot of the series after DAD and the writers making Bond an almost smarmy character, and i didn't agree with them casting Halle Berry in the part of Jinx. when Casino Royale came out we were abck to the good old days of Unknowns in key roles. Eva Green, Mads Mikkelsen and of course Daniel Craig and it ALL worked, a great suspenseful thriller with it's moments of Dalton-esque humour.

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Posted 20 May 2008 - 04:20 PM

I remember in Living Daylights one scene that was wordless but got laughter from the audience, but of appreciation, not derision. Dalton's Bond goes into a abandoned building and with one sweep of his eye cases the joint, and then closes his tuxedo lapels with a bit of velcro.

Voil

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Posted 20 May 2008 - 04:50 PM

[quote name='Stephen Spotswood' post='872168' date='20 May 2008 - 12:20']I remember in Living Daylights one scene that was wordless but got laughter from the audience, but of appreciation, not derision. Dalton's Bond goes into a abandoned building and with one sweep of his eye cases the joint, and then closes his tuxedo lapels with a bit of velcro.

Voil

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Posted 20 May 2008 - 05:22 PM

"If M fires me, I'll thank him."

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Posted 20 May 2008 - 06:40 PM

Indeed, just imagine if Brosnan had delivered that line: He probably would have pulled the phone from his ear, turned to the woman, paused for a sigh as he raised his eyebrown, and smarmily rasped, "Eh... Bond; James Bond." :tup:


Senor Blofeld, I think you just nailed everything that was wrong with the way Brosnan played Bond. :tup:

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Posted 20 May 2008 - 06:50 PM

I think its safe to say Timothy Dalton was the first James Bond actor to actually portray James Bond.

He actually took the time and trouble to go back and read Fleming. He didnt just read Fleming he worked out the Bond character - his insecurities, his brittleness, his neurosis' - and brought them to the big screen. Connery played James Bond but it was Terence Youngs version of James Bond, Lazenby followed Connery and Moore turned James Bond into Roger Moore. Pierce Brosnan played him as a mix of Connery and Moore and ended up with nothing, and Craig? Well, his version is more Daltonesque at times then Dalton.

But it was Tim who, to me, was the first Fleming Bond. This was Bond at the end of his career - a cynical burn out case. In LTK his neurosis literally burst out and he becomes a dangerous maverick. But there is also something else in Daltons portrayal. Craig has portrayed him as a man who knows he is bad but is fighting against it and had his chance of humanity with Vespre Lynd. Daltons Bond has reached the end of his tether. There is a softer side there but it only comes out with Kara or the love scenes with Pam. Daltons Bond is the brittle shell of a man who has lived the dirty life for too long.

Its a brilliant portrayal and was original and I think not appreciated by cinemagoers at the time due to 12 years of Roger Moore. But some of us got it - and some of us thought we'd never see a Bond this good again.

Until Casino Royale came out. Although Craig and Connery come close - Dalton is the original and best James Bond.


I agree!

Craig's Bond in Casino royale was a much needed re-boot of the series after DAD and the writers making Bond an almost smarmy character, and i didn't agree with them casting Halle Berry in the part of Jinx. when Casino Royale came out we were abck to the good old days of Unknowns in key roles. Eva Green, Mads Mikkelsen and of course Daniel Craig and it ALL worked, a great suspenseful thriller with it's moments of Dalton-esque humour.

"Sorry, that last hand.....nearly killed me"


You know, this has got me thinking, CR and LTK are a perfect double bill, because I can actually buy that Craig and Dalton are playing the same person (differences in physical appearances aside, of course). I can't really see CraigBond being the same person as BrosnanBond or MooreBond... but with Craig and Dalton I can. So when I watch those movies back to back, I can think of CR as Bond at the beginning of his career, and LTK as that same Bond at the end of it. Never thought of that before.

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Posted 20 May 2008 - 07:40 PM

I was a Dalton fan from the beginning. I was surprised as anybody when he got the part, only knowing him from Flash Gordon 1980.


I was rooting for Dalton to be Bond since 1980 when I saw him in the Mae West movie Sextette. She was wondering where her new 6th husband (hence the title), kept disappearing to. Someone said, "Didn't you know, he's an Engish secret agent, twice as big as 007."

And Mae purred, "I wouldn't know, I never measured either one of them."

And the way he handled a laser rifle as Prince Barin clinched it for me.

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Posted 21 May 2008 - 11:04 AM

I was a Dalton fan from the beginning....

I was rooting for Dalton to be Bond since 1980....

... In short, I think he was ahead of his time and unfortunately, shallow people like me did not give him a fair go, I was one of the REMINGTON STEEL fans that was incredibly disappointed when TD got the part, so I don't think I gave him a fair chance. Looking back, it is TD's not PB's that have stood the test of time.

Although I'm generally uncomfortable w/ the idea of "taking down" any other Bond actor in order to build up Timothy Dalton, I very much like and agree w/ the idea that the Remington Steele character excitement cast a shadow over Mr. Dalton's start. Now, in the fullness of time, he seems to be viewed from a clean slate (as ironic as that sounds).

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Posted 21 May 2008 - 02:45 PM

Actually, since initially Timothy Dalton wasn't in the running, I wanted Lewis Collins, but I was thrilled when they hired Dalton.

http://news.bbc.co.u..._collins150.jpg

Could've been worse though, I understand at one time they were considering:

http://www.spotlight.../ian_ogilvy.jpg

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Posted 23 May 2008 - 06:33 PM

Desmond L said it best when he said "Your favorite Bond is always the one you saw first." in a fanzine for TDN. However Timothy Dalton is that Bond for me.

Simply because he brought the Fleming version right to life. I loved TLD and LTK respectively, but LTK I like alittle bit more out of Dalton's tenure because it brought a new angle to James Bond that wasn't there before.

Timothy had the look and act down pat. And I was very heartbroken when he stepped down from the role because he just has that 'Bondian' presence that Pierce Bronsan lacked.

In alot of ways I see PB's Bond as the return of the Roger Moore Bond and it was cool for awhile, but in my heart I never accepted PB as James Bond because he didn't have the exact qualities of James Bond that Dalton had.

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Posted 23 May 2008 - 11:50 PM

Desmond L said it best when he said "Your favorite Bond is always the one you saw first." in a fanzine for TDN. However Timothy Dalton is that Bond for me....

Having read that quote, I agree that it is a good point of view, but not universally true. Personally, I think I shift.

Part of that is in appreciating the different aspects different actors bring to the role. Since I started this Thread, I hope it's assumed that I havea lot of respect for Timothy Dalton; I certainly do. But that doesn't mean I don't like a lot of what Pierce Brosan brought to the role, different as it was.

To me, "James Bond" is like going out to my favorite place to eat: I don't always have the same thing, but I almost always enjoy it there.

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Posted 24 May 2008 - 03:06 PM

Desmond L said it best when he said "Your favorite Bond is always the one you saw first." in a fanzine for TDN. However Timothy Dalton is that Bond for me....

Having read that quote, I agree that it is a good point of view, but not universally true. Personally, I think I shift.

Part of that is in appreciating the different aspects different actors bring to the role. Since I started this Thread, I hope it's assumed that I havea lot of respect for Timothy Dalton; I certainly do. But that doesn't mean I don't like a lot of what Pierce Brosan brought to the role, different as it was.

To me, "James Bond" is like going out to my favorite place to eat: I don't always have the same thing, but I almost always enjoy it there.


Since joining this site, I've been leaning more and more to this position. Now there are only a couple of spots which I will not frequent because the bathrooms stink: AVTAK...DAD...:tup:

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Posted 02 June 2008 - 03:14 PM

I guess I've always seen James Bond as a modern Lord Byron type, who could hold his own in a fight with Mickey Spillane's hoods.