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[Gri007]

I thought I would devise some sort of system that highlights certain plot elements and characters that have not yet been in Bond films but have appeared in Bond novels/short stories. Off course there are unused titles as well.

It is interesting to note that there are still quite a few Fleming novels which still have good film potential.

Casino Royale
Two Buglers blowing themselves up and Bond driving a Bentley

Lolia Ponsonby

Live And Let Die
Theft of Gold coins and planting Limpet Mines underneath a boat

Moonraker

Bond Dining with M, and being totally set in England

Gala Brand

Diamonds Are Forever

The Cannonball Train and visiting Spectreville

The Spangled Mob

Dr No

Fight with Giant squid

Goldfinger

Bond meeting somebody from Casino Royale

The Cement mixers and The Purple Gang

From A View To A Kill

A deathly motorcycle chase through a forest

Mary Anne Russell

For Your Eyes Only

Von Hammerstein

Qauntam Of Solace

Dining with a Governor and stopping arms from reaching Cuban Rebels

Risico

Bond is sent to Rome, and Secret service is being pressured to get involved with drugs

Ronnie Valance and Lisl Baum

The Hildebrand Rarity

Bond goes to the Seychelles

The Spy Who Loved Me

Horror and Slugsy

The Living Daylights

Bond considers visiting a Brothel

Trigger

On Her Majesty

[Major Tallon]

1) Casino Royale

Bond's two kills

Cane gun

2) Live and Let Die

Attack on the train

3) Moonraker

Cliff collapse

4) Diamonds Are Forever

Fight in a spa

Bond abseils down the side of a ship at sea

5) From Russia With Love

Lured by an elderly woman into sitting across from a phone gun

6) Doctor No

Death by guano

7) Goldfinger

Poisoning a city's water supply

8) For Your Eyes Only

A different kind of underground base

Use of Bermuda or the Seychelles as locales

A bit of a murder mystery

9) Thunderball

Bond attacked outside Secret Service Headquarters

10) The Spy Who Loved Me

The whole story!

11) On Her Majesty's Secret Service

Sicilian background

12)You Only Live Twice

The whole story!

13) The Man With The Golden Gun

The whole story!

Granted not all of this is cinematic, but I think there's plenty of scope for a lot of Fleming still to be used in the films.

[00Twelve]

LALD:

Hotel room grenade

Vicious (Harlem) deaths

The name, "Simone Latrelle"

Bond's perilous night swim

Villain dies by shark attack

MR:

Newsprint car chase

Blowtorch torture

Bond & Girl in steamy pipes

DAF:

Mud Bath sequence

Car chase with cab

Boston stomping

Confrontation with the assassins on the ship

FRWL:

Bond appears to be dead at the end

DN:

More of the obstacle course

Poison fruit

GF:

House sneaking

Bond's employment with villain

YOLT:

Garden of Death

Weather balloon escape/amnesia

TMWTGG:

One-on-one manhunt in jungle



And more.

[Johnboy007]

Wasn't the airport scene essentially the film version of the two men blowing themselves up in Casino Royale?

[coco1997]

Wow, this thread is great. It really reveals a lot of stuff I had no clue about before.

Can anyone explain the part from Goldfinger where Bond sneaks around GF's house?

[00Twelve]

I'd be happy to. I swear, when you read it, you really wish it were in the film. That is, at least, if you're me.

Here goes.

The golf match ends as it does in the movie. Goldfinger invites Bond to his estate, called Reculver, for dinner. Bond graciously accepts in order to learn more about GF. Later, Bond arrives. He notes the enormous living room/entrance hall, with a huge fireplace and a very decadent grand staircase to the upstairs floor. He also notices that it's really dimly lit. GF welcomes Bond, but says he's been unexpectedly called away on account of one of his other Korean manservants getting in trouble with the police. He promises to return in 30 minutes.

As GF leaves with Oddjob, he turns on the lights...and they're rather bright. Strangely so. Bond, nevertheless, figures that this will be his only chance to examine the house, so he sets off. He goes down one hallway, brightly lit, which appears to head to the garage. Nothing there, he assumes. He heads back, then decides to go up to the bedroom. That's where all a person's secrets are held, he thinks. So he goes in and finds a fat cat laying on a pile of linens, and realizes he'd better get back. As he's leaving, he fully notices what had subconsciously been nagging at him the whole time...a faint whirr, coming from the wardrobe. It's barely cracked. Bond goes over and tears it open. To his horror, he finds a movie camera recording his every move. THAT's why GF lit up the house. He wanted evidence of Bond's snooping. There was probably a camera in that hallway, too, and God knows where else. Bond decides to leave the wardrobe open, to expose the rest of the film, and throws the cat in, flimsily hoping it might look like the cat did it.

When he gets downstairs, GF arrives, and goes upstairs. He returns with the cat and a knowing expression on his face. He arranges a "demonstration," which is what Oddjob does in the film to the statue, only in the novel it's GF's mantle instead. Also, GF has Oddjob kick a big chunk out of the staircase rail just to show Bond that Oddjob's more than a match for him. GF rewards Oddjob by giving him the cat to eat (and fully suspects that Bond was up to something), while Bond realizes that the cat is paying for his sins.

Dinner, then Bond leaves, as far as I remember.

Great sequence. Would love to see something like it one day.

[dinovelvet]

DN:

More of the obstacle course

This is soooo much better than in the film. The film version basically makes Dr.No look inept by putting Bond into a cell with a convenient air vent he can escape through, and it seems like he's going through some random ducts that get a bit hot and wet. In the novel, it is an obstacle course designed to calculate how much pain a man can endure, and Bond is being watched as he progresses. We get a real insight into Bond's head; it's easily the highlight of the book, and one of Fleming's finest set pieces, IMHO.

And of course there's that other unused gem from Dr.No : death by dung.

[the other fellow]

Thank's guys.
This is so much quicker than re-reading the novels and short stories(not that there's anything wrong with that).

Just goes to show how much Fleming material hasn't been used yet.
Great news for us and the future of bond films.

[ianfleming1]

The book, 'Ian Fleming's James Bond: Annotations and Chronologies for Ian Fleming's Bond Stories', covers all these references and just about all the references found in Ian's Bond novels.

[ianfleming1]

For more info: URL:
http://www.ian-flemi...ronologies.com/

[Mr Twilight]

I had a thought of making a list like this a while ago but you beat me. It's a great list. My wish/hope is that they someday will make a faithful adaption of YOLT. My favourite novel btw. There are also some references from IF's notebook that have potential.

[Marketto007]

Greath thread, I miss the Mr. Big real death (book) in the movie.

xxx

[00Twelve]

Greath thread, I miss the Mr. Big real death (book) in the movie.

xxx

Totally. I can't believe they haven't had a main villain killed by shark attack yet! Ok, yeah, Killifer, but he's miles from a main villain. I'm talking about Mr. Big's kind of death. Long overdue.

[OmarB]

In CR I always thought of the 2 guys who died in the explosion as the two guys who die in the stairwell.

But yeah, I think their are a lot of facets of the character just not present on screen.

[Gri007]

1) Casino Royale

Bond's two kills

Cane gun

2) Live and Let Die

Attack on the train

Fight in a spa

Bond abseils down the side of a ship at sea

5) From Russia With Love

Lured by an elderly woman into sitting across from a phone gun

6) Doctor No

Death by guano

7) Goldfinger

Poisoning a city's water supply

8) For Your Eyes Only

A different kind of underground base

Use of Bermuda or the Seychelles as locales

A bit of a murder mystery

9) Thunderball

Bond attacked outside Secret Service Headquarters

10) The Spy Who Loved Me

The whole story!

11) On Her Majesty's Secret Service

Sicilian background

12)You Only Live Twice

The whole story!

13) The Man With The Golden Gun

The whole story!

Granted not all of this is cinematic, but I think there's plenty of scope for a lot of Fleming still to be used in the films.

The two kills were in the CR film. I know it was slightly different, but you can't really do the two kills agian..

Wasn't the cane gun in TWINE.

Attack on train was in two Roger Moore films.

Poisening the city's water supply is a good idea.

The cliff collapsing from MR would be good too :smile:

And hopefully the Sicilly background might be in B22.

Nice ideas

[Judo chop]

TMWTGG: Bond getting drunk and recklessly showing off his gunmanship prowess to impress, and gain the confidence of, an enemy.

[dodge]

Absolutely rockin' thread.

[Judo chop]

TMWTGG: Bond getting drunk and recklessly showing off his gunmanship prowess to impress, and gain the confidence of, an enemy.

Actually, Bond getting drunk and doing anything recklessly would be welcomed.

[00Twelve]

More I hadn't thought of...

LALD:

Bond gets his pinky finger snapped and passes out from the pain

Bond (& Leiter) gets lured away while his girl is kidnapped

MR:

Firing range (sort of done with VR in DAD) and Bond's daily life shown in rich detail

DAF:

The general angle of Bond infiltrating a mob operation that has something to do with England's interests

FRWL:

The whole full moon/need to kill instinct that Grant had

DN:

Dr. No's background with his hands being cut off by the Tong (another villain could have a similar background with other limbs)

GF:

Bond following the villain, witnessing (and intercepting) a payoff

Bond expressing his disgust for overindulgence in food and drink (yep!)

[Major Tallon]

1) Casino Royale

Bond's two kills

Cane gun

2) Live and Let Die

Attack on the train

Fight in a spa

Bond abseils down the side of a ship at sea

5) From Russia With Love

Lured by an elderly woman into sitting across from a phone gun

6) Doctor No

Death by guano

7) Goldfinger

Poisoning a city's water supply

8) For Your Eyes Only

A different kind of underground base

Use of Bermuda or the Seychelles as locales

A bit of a murder mystery

9) Thunderball

Bond attacked outside Secret Service Headquarters

10) The Spy Who Loved Me

The whole story!

11) On Her Majesty's Secret Service

Sicilian background

12)You Only Live Twice

The whole story!

13) The Man With The Golden Gun

The whole story!

Granted not all of this is cinematic, but I think there's plenty of scope for a lot of Fleming still to be used in the films.

The two kills were in the CR film. I know it was slightly different, but you can't really do the two kills agian..

Wasn't the cane gun in TWINE.

Attack on train was in two Roger Moore films.

Poisening the city's water supply is a good idea.

The cliff collapsing from MR would be good too :smile:

And hopefully the Sicilly background might be in B22.

Nice ideas

I'm thinking slightly differently with these. In CR, the two kills were done to give Bond his 00 number, and I agree that you can't do that again. You could, however, show him having to accomplish a kill with a knife or shoot at long range a man in a skyscraper, and show his reactions to what he's done.

As for the cane gun, you're correct that Valentine used it in TWINE, but in CR it was wielded by a henchman who pressed it against Bond's spine in a public place. Barry Nelson got out of that situation; I'll bet Craig could do even better.

In LALD, Bond and Solitaire get off the train before the attack, and it's only described to them. The train is halted by a ruse, and the bad guys then blow up the carriage in which Bond had been riding. They could film it differently, with Bond still aboard.

Also, I should have been more specific about a scene from TMWTGG: having a brainwashed Bond make an attempt on M's life in her office and having M direct Bond's rehabilitation and use against the same enemy that masterminded the attempt.

[MHazard]

I'm still waiting for Bond: siting in the park, ignoring his beeper having just screwed up his last few missions, looking like hell, not sleeping, drinking too much and expecting to be fired from the service (M thinking maybe he could get Bond a job doing private security) following Tracy's death. I want to see it!

[RazorBlade]

Someone mentioned Fleming's notebooks. How about some of that material?

[coco1997]

What do you mean?

[Pal]

I'd like a more faithful adaptation of Bond's confrontation with Wint and Kidd towards the end of DAF. Especially seeing him climb down the side of the ship and then jumping into Wint/Kidd's room.

[stromberg]

[...]
As for the cane gun, you're correct that Valentine used it in TWINE, but in CR it was wielded by a henchman who pressed it against Bond's spine in a public place. Barry Nelson got out of that situation; I'll bet Craig could do even better.
[...]

But we did have Dimitrios pressing a knife against Bond's spine in CR - in a public place. And Craig did quite well in that scene. Never thought of it that way, but there you have it

[dinovelvet]

The cliff collapsing from MR would be good too :smile:

Well we did get the cliff collapse in DAD, just in a different context. Reading this thread, I'm realizing that there's a lot more of Moonraker in DAD than I thought. As well as Graves/Drax and the Blades club, we get the cliff collapse, and the Bond-on-a-firing range bit (even if it was a bit silly). And doesn't Bond wear driving goggles in MR, if I remember? Maybe Zao wearing them is a little nod to the book as well.

[Gri007]

Someone mentioned Fleming's notebooks. How about some of that material?

What do you mean?

There was ideas that Fleming at wrote down in his notebook.

RazorBlade could well be refferring to Zographouse. The greek syndicate which was a card player. This was a unfinshed short story. I think it is said that Fleming at written a passage about men getting up for work, stoking the stove saying good bye to their wives and and getting on trains.

I think that appeared in the unfinished Short Story My Enemy's Enemy Is My Friend

[Col. Sun]

I'm still waiting for Bond: siting in the park, ignoring his beeper having just screwed up his last few missions, looking like hell, not sleeping, drinking too much and expecting to be fired from the service (M thinking maybe he could get Bond a job doing private security) following Tracy's death. I want to see it!

I know what you mean.

It's really character stuff and off duty moments which have been unused by Eon. (Apart from major elements from YOLT and MWTGG.)

Fleming made a bit deal about Bond being bored between missions, hating doing paperwork etc. At the beginning of Thunderball, the novel, Bond has been out all night gambling and drinking too much before he gets the call to go to Mi6.

In FRWL -- if I recall correctly - he's at home in his Chelsea flat thinking about Tiffany Case who he has just split up from after DAF.

In Moonraker there's an opening scene where he's in the shooting range. (I think it's in that novel - while since I've read them.)

Anyway, I hope Eon explore some of this Fleming stuff with Craig.

[RivenWinner]

Excellent thread.

There's tons of nice juicy Fleming stuff that can still be included for the films, and I'm sure we'll continue to see more of these as the years go by.

[RazorBlade]

I'm finding myself more and more intrigued with original material though. Along with unused material I'm afraid we will continue to see retreads of stuff from previous movies.

There is a lot of great stuff we can explore in Bond's world. As Capt. Picard said, "Make it so." Or was it, "Engage"?