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[Leon]

As we have discovered from The Insider and Entertainment Tonight there will be a grand scene in QoS where Bond attends a charity dinner party in Bolivia (possibly hosted by Dominic Greene?).

I wonder if this is coincidence or may it reference anything from the short story, Quantum of Solace?

Edited by Leon, 28 February 2008 - 02:55 AM.

[Single-O-Seven]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall reading that there are no references back to the short story aside from its title and meaning. I believe it was an interview with MGW that clarified this. It would be nice if this has since changed, and there's a bit more of a reference there, though I understand it's not possible for Bond to sit and listen to a story that might take twenty minutes to reiterate in full detail. Still, a scant summary might be better than nothing.

[tdalton]

Hopefully there will be some form of a reference to the short story. I'm not a fan of simply using a Fleming title just for the sake of having a Fleming title. The use of the title should be reflected in the film with the inclusion of at least some small reference to something found in the short story.

[Major Tallon]

I agree, tdalton. Whether or not Haggis penned it (and it sounds like he didn't), I hope there's at least a passing reference in the movie to Fleming's QOS.

[Leon]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall reading that there are no references back to the short story aside from its title and meaning. I believe it was an interview with MGW that clarified this. It would be nice if this has since changed, and there's a bit more of a reference there, though I understand it's not possible for Bond to sit and listen to a story that might take twenty minutes to reiterate in full detail. Still, a scant summary might be better than nothing.

There was yes, MGW said there were no direct references to the short story. However we have heard from Jeffrey Wright that the script was still being altered as they are filming. This is common practice of course but I believe he was talking about some holes in the script due to the writers strike causing the rush.

I'd guess the dinner party was already in the screenplay but they could still have added a few minor elements since deciding on the title. All it would need would be a cut during the Party scene to Bond having a discussion with a governor-looking man and a few lines of dialogue from the end of the book being involved.

Easy to add and it would be a superb subtle wink for fans. I'd just thought of that in a minute there so I don't see much excuse for the producers not thinking of something at least.

[Righty007]

Probably not since Haggis didn't write the script knowing it would be called Quantum of Solace.

[Leon]

Probably not since Haggis didn't write the script knowing it would be called Quantum of Solace.

Read my last post there.

[Righty007]

Probably not since Haggis didn't write the script knowing it would be called Quantum of Solace.

Read my last post there.

Forgive my repetitive post. Sometimes I skip long posts because I'm too lazy to read the whole thing. In my defense, I did read your first post where you ask if it's a coincidence and I wasn't expecting you to change your tune in the post above. The dinner party is a coincidence.

[Mr Twilight]

I guess we never hear the line Quantum of solace mentioned in the film then either.

[Whalltt]

I could be easily be put into the movie. Not the whole conversation at dinner, but with a couple of lines, someone (Haggis is not doing it apparently) could write it in order to make a reference to the short story. Why choose such an uncommon title and then leave it so detached from the movie?

[Shrublands]

As we have discovered from The Insider and Entertainment Tonight there will be a grand scene in QoS where Bond attends a charity dinner party in Bolivia (possibly hosted by Dominic Greene?).

I wonder if this is coincidence or may it reference anything from the short story, Quantum of Solace?

The party in the film is not what anyone would call a

[doublenoughtspy]

Exactly. In the story there are only 5 people at the dinner party.

A huge outdoor gala in Panama doubling for Bolivia does not equate to an intimate dinner party in Nassau.

Ooh, Bond is speaking in English in the movie. In the story, he speaks in English - it must be taken from the book!

I agree, an indirect reference, ala the line in Octopussy about her father, would be nice, but I doubt we'll see it.

[Leon]

Well excuse me for trying to make interesing discussion, I forgot Bond fans are so cynical and dull.

I thought I saw laid out tables in the videos, on looking again I don't see them. My mistake.

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

Bond attends a charity dinner party in Bolivia (possibly hosted by Dominic Greene?).
I wonder if this is coincidence or may it reference anything from the short story, Quantum of Solace?

Well, Mike told that there's not reference to the short story, but I'd like to see someone telling Bond about the story of Philip Masters and Rhoda. And, in the story, Bond tells he did a mission whith the aid of a boat... so, that could have a reference to Daniel's rehearsals with a boat recently.

[TaoMike]

Hopefully there will be some form of a reference to the short story. I'm not a fan of simply using a Fleming title just for the sake of having a Fleming title. The use of the title should be reflected in the film with the inclusion of at least some small reference to something found in the short story.

Agreed. As long as it's not as cringe-inducing as the title reference in AVTAK...

[Mr. Blofeld]

Hopefully there will be some form of a reference to the short story. I'm not a fan of simply using a Fleming title just for the sake of having a Fleming title. The use of the title should be reflected in the film with the inclusion of at least some small reference to something found in the short story.

Agreed. As long as it's not as cringe-inducing as the title reference in AVTAK...

Or the one in YOLT; blecchhhh...

[Righty007]

Hopefully there will be some form of a reference to the short story. I'm not a fan of simply using a Fleming title just for the sake of having a Fleming title. The use of the title should be reflected in the film with the inclusion of at least some small reference to something found in the short story.

Agreed. As long as it's not as cringe-inducing as the title reference in AVTAK...

Or the one in YOLT; blecchhhh...

"You only live twice, Mr. Bond" worked perfectly because James Bond "died" in the beginning and then was about to be killed by Blofeld in the volcano. Two lives.

[Mr. Blofeld]

Hopefully there will be some form of a reference to the short story. I'm not a fan of simply using a Fleming title just for the sake of having a Fleming title. The use of the title should be reflected in the film with the inclusion of at least some small reference to something found in the short story.

Agreed. As long as it's not as cringe-inducing as the title reference in AVTAK...

Or the one in YOLT; blecchhhh...

"You only live twice, Mr. Bond" worked perfectly because James Bond "died" in the beginning and then was about to be killed by Blofeld in the volcano. Two lives.

It ruins the way it was meant in the novel.

[Righty007]

Hopefully there will be some form of a reference to the short story. I'm not a fan of simply using a Fleming title just for the sake of having a Fleming title. The use of the title should be reflected in the film with the inclusion of at least some small reference to something found in the short story.

Agreed. As long as it's not as cringe-inducing as the title reference in AVTAK...

Or the one in YOLT; blecchhhh...

"You only live twice, Mr. Bond" worked perfectly because James Bond "died" in the beginning and then was about to be killed by Blofeld in the volcano. Two lives.

It ruins the way it was meant in the novel.

Oh, well I'm not a Fleming scholar. What was the meaning in the novel?

[Mr. Blofeld]

Hopefully there will be some form of a reference to the short story. I'm not a fan of simply using a Fleming title just for the sake of having a Fleming title. The use of the title should be reflected in the film with the inclusion of at least some small reference to something found in the short story.

Agreed. As long as it's not as cringe-inducing as the title reference in AVTAK...

Or the one in YOLT; blecchhhh...

"You only live twice, Mr. Bond" worked perfectly because James Bond "died" in the beginning and then was about to be killed by Blofeld in the volcano. Two lives.

It ruins the way it was meant in the novel.

Oh, well I'm not a Fleming scholar. What was the meaning in the novel?

Bond rises from the ashes of Blofeld's castle without his memory, and begins living his cover as a Japanese fisherman as his actual existence; hence, You Only Live Twice.

[Shrublands]

Hopefully there will be some form of a reference to the short story. I'm not a fan of simply using a Fleming title just for the sake of having a Fleming title. The use of the title should be reflected in the film with the inclusion of at least some small reference to something found in the short story.

Agreed. As long as it's not as cringe-inducing as the title reference in AVTAK...

Or the one in YOLT; blecchhhh...

"You only live twice, Mr. Bond" worked perfectly because James Bond "died" in the beginning and then was about to be killed by Blofeld in the volcano. Two lives.

It ruins the way it was meant in the novel.

Oh, well I'm not a Fleming scholar. What was the meaning in the novel?

Bond rises from the ashes of Blofeld's castle without his memory, and begins living his cover as a Japanese fisherman as his actual existence; hence, You Only Live Twice.

It has a number of meanings in the novel, not least the one expressed in your signature.

[Mr. Blofeld]

Hopefully there will be some form of a reference to the short story. I'm not a fan of simply using a Fleming title just for the sake of having a Fleming title. The use of the title should be reflected in the film with the inclusion of at least some small reference to something found in the short story.

Agreed. As long as it's not as cringe-inducing as the title reference in AVTAK...

Or the one in YOLT; blecchhhh...

"You only live twice, Mr. Bond" worked perfectly because James Bond "died" in the beginning and then was about to be killed by Blofeld in the volcano. Two lives.

It ruins the way it was meant in the novel.

Oh, well I'm not a Fleming scholar. What was the meaning in the novel?

Bond rises from the ashes of Blofeld's castle without his memory, and begins living his cover as a Japanese fisherman as his actual existence; hence, You Only Live Twice.

It has a number of meanings in the novel, not least the one expressed in your signature.

None of them being the ones expressed by the title song and title line...

[Shrublands]

None of them being the ones expressed by the title song and title line...

All together now


You only live twice, ♫
Or so it seems,
One life for yourself,
And one where you rises from the ashes of Blofeld's castle without your memory, and begin living your cover as a Japanese fisherman as your actual existence,
You Only Live Twice. ♪

Catchy!

[Righty007]

I find solace in knowing that I have one life for myself and one for my dreams.

[Mr. Blofeld]

I find solace in knowing that I have one life for myself and one for my dreams.

Well, it'd have to be a quantum at that, wouldn't it?

[DamnCoffee]

So it sounds as if Haggis wrote the script not knowing what Quantum of Solace actually meant and ironically used the exact same meaning as the short story without knowing.

[Mr. Blofeld]

So it sounds as if Haggis wrote the script not knowing what Quantum of Solace actually meant and ironically used the exact same meaning as the short story without knowing.

To quote your favorite upgraded DVD, Mharkin:

"Sounds like a load of bull."

[DamnCoffee]

My upgraded DVD?

[Mr. Blofeld]

My upgraded DVD?

Erm... weren't you saying you liked Octopussy on your BluRay player?

[DamnCoffee]

Aha! I get you now.