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[Niwram]

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Is it me or is there something freaky about M in the scene at 00:01:16? The way she's dressed, for example, she looks like a Bond villain. And she sounds like one, too, like she's just had him kidnapped after a major action scene. I know it's far fetched, but it would be very movie-ish, and a the most shocking twist in Bond history. Maybe that's why they are being so cautious about plot details. It's just a theory.

Edited by Niwram, 07 February 2008 - 01:26 PM.

[Jim]

Long suspected it.

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After all, she does advise him to trust no-one at the end of Casino Royale

[tdalton]

I really do think that you're correct on this one. They insist on doing this in every film and, at this point, they've run out of people to use this plot twist on, IMO, so this is really the only viable option left. Actually, and this is just a guess on my part, but I think that the scene that you're describing could be either near the end or could be the very last scene of the film.

[Harmsway]

Why are we using spoiler tags in a spoiler forum?

Is it me or is there something freaky about M in the scene at 00:01:16? The way she's dressed, for example, she looks like a Bond villain. And she sounds like one, too, like she's just had him kidnapped after a major action scene.

She doesn't really sound any more villainous than she has when scolding Bond in past films. "This is about trust. I thought I could trust you." That could have been taken from the script for CASINO ROYALE.

And as far as I can tell, the room is actually Bond/Fields' honeymoon suite.

I know it's far fetched, but it would be very movie-ish, and a the most shocking twist in Bond history. Maybe that's why they are being so cautious about plot details. It's just a theory.

Eh, maybe. Some people have suspected it, but I really hope not. It just seems a bit... Bourne-like to me. I want Dench's character to be a good 'un, and frankly, I don't think they'd want to spoil the image of Dench's M. She's been with the series for a long time.

[tdalton]

I know it's far fetched, but it would be very movie-ish, and a the most shocking twist in Bond history. Maybe that's why they are being so cautious about plot details. It's just a theory.

Eh, maybe. Some people have suspected it, but I really hope not. It just seems a bit... Bourne-like to me. I want Dench's character to be a good 'un, and frankly, I don't think they'd want to spoil the image of Dench's M. She's been with the series for a long time.

I don't want them to go down this route either, but I suspect that this is where they're headed. It was set up a bit in Casino Royale, with her telling Bond not to trust anyone and how she inexplicably knew how and why Bond survived the torture at the hands of Le Chiffre. Also, she let Vesper go on the assignment, when she should have run a thorough check on her before allowing her to do so. The line "sometimes we're so focused on our enemies, we forget to watch our friends" could be a hint as well.

[Marketto007]

I don't believe that EON will turn M into a villain, never.

xxx

[tdalton]

Another theory about the scene in question could be that, perhaps Bond's actions throughout the course of the film have really brought Bond to the brink of being thrown out of the service, which could be happening in this scene.

[Harmsway]

It was set up a bit in Casino Royale, with her telling Bond not to trust anyone and how she inexplicably knew how and why Bond survived the torture at the hands of Le Chiffre.

Eh, I don't think so at all. "Don't trust anyone" is a simple lesson, and knowing how and why Bond survived was just filling in the blanks. Nothing more.

Seriously, I doubt EON would turn M into a villain, ever, much less Dench's M, who has become an institution of sorts. If they were to do the "M is a baddie" thing, I'd imagine they'd do it with a new face.

Another theory about the scene in question could be that, perhaps Bond's actions throughout the course of the film have really brought Bond to the brink of being thrown out of the service, which could be happening in this scene.

Now, that's more believable. It's been said that she and Bond would be butting-heads throughout, and in the plot summary, it even says that Bond has to be one step ahead of MI6. Also, given on Craig's comments that "Bond's more in control, but others don't think that's the case," points to something like that, too.

[Jackanaples]

I call B.S. on this. There's no benefit to be gained by making M a villain. The dynamic between Craig's Bond and Dench's M is a standout for the series. Throwing something with that much juice away in favor of a banal plot twist that everyone has seen played out in lesser films would ultimately make no one happy and would be the height of stupid.

I expect Bond is exceeding his orders/being reckless/playing fast and loose with the rules again. Which is good news.

[tdalton]

I call B.S. on this. There's no benefit to be gained by making M a villain. The dynamic between Craig's Bond and Dench's M is a standout for the series. Throwing something with that much juice away in favor of a banal plot twist that everyone has seen played out in lesser films would ultimately make no one happy and would be the height of stupid.

Agreed. I don't want to see M become a villain, nor after thinking about it do I think that it will happen here, but I can't say that I'd be shocked either to see it happen at some point, either in this film or a film in the near future.

[Harry Fawkes]

M a villain? Inconceivable to say the least .

Nay! A sacrilege!

[Judo chop]

Absolutely. I

[HH007]

I call B.S. on this. There's no benefit to be gained by making M a villain. The dynamic between Craig's Bond and Dench's M is a standout for the series. Throwing something with that much juice away in favor of a banal plot twist that everyone has seen played out in lesser films would ultimately make no one happy and would be the height of stupid.

Well stated. I'm not worried because I honestly don't think they would do something that boneheaded... but then again a few years ago they thought an invisible car would be a good idea.

[Vauxhall]

To turn Dench's M into a villain would be about one of the worst moves that they could make. It is ridiculous to think that someone has risen to the top of MI6 over a career spanning probably 30-40 years without being noticed for any questionable links to villains. Inconceivable in my opinion.

[Judo chop]

To turn Dench's M into a villain would be about one of the worst moves that they could make. It is ridiculous to think that someone has risen to the top of MI6 over a career spanning probably 30-40 years without being noticed for any questionable links to villains. Inconceivable in my opinion.

"You keep using that word, Vauxhall. I do not think it means what you think it means."

Don

[HH007]

[quote name='Judo chop' post='834677' date='7 February 2008 - 19:32'][quote name='Vauxhall' post='834665' date='7 February 2008 - 13:15']To turn Dench's M into a villain would be about one of the worst moves that they could make. It is ridiculous to think that someone has risen to the top of MI6 over a career spanning probably 30-40 years without being noticed for any questionable links to villains. Inconceivable in my opinion.[/quote]
"You keep using that word, Vauxhall. I do not think it means what you think it means."

Don

[tdalton]

[quote name='HH007' post='834680' date='7 February 2008 - 14:37'][quote name='Judo chop' post='834677' date='7 February 2008 - 19:32'][quote name='Vauxhall' post='834665' date='7 February 2008 - 13:15']To turn Dench's M into a villain would be about one of the worst moves that they could make. It is ridiculous to think that someone has risen to the top of MI6 over a career spanning probably 30-40 years without being noticed for any questionable links to villains. Inconceivable in my opinion.[/quote]
"You keep using that word, Vauxhall. I do not think it means what you think it means."

Don

[HH007]

[quote name='tdalton' post='834682' date='7 February 2008 - 19:40'][quote name='HH007' post='834680' date='7 February 2008 - 14:37'][quote name='Judo chop' post='834677' date='7 February 2008 - 19:32'][quote name='Vauxhall' post='834665' date='7 February 2008 - 13:15']To turn Dench's M into a villain would be about one of the worst moves that they could make. It is ridiculous to think that someone has risen to the top of MI6 over a career spanning probably 30-40 years without being noticed for any questionable links to villains. Inconceivable in my opinion.[/quote]
"You keep using that word, Vauxhall. I do not think it means what you think it means."

Don

[Judo chop]

[quote name='HH007' post='834680' date='7 February 2008 - 13:37'][quote name='Judo chop' post='834677' date='7 February 2008 - 19:32'][quote name='Vauxhall' post='834665' date='7 February 2008 - 13:15']To turn Dench's M into a villain would be about one of the worst moves that they could make. It is ridiculous to think that someone has risen to the top of MI6 over a career spanning probably 30-40 years without being noticed for any questionable links to villains. Inconceivable in my opinion.[/quote]
"You keep using that word, Vauxhall. I do not think it means what you think it means."

Don

[HH007]

[quote name='Judo chop' post='834690' date='7 February 2008 - 19:50'][quote name='HH007' post='834680' date='7 February 2008 - 13:37'][quote name='Judo chop' post='834677' date='7 February 2008 - 19:32'][quote name='Vauxhall' post='834665' date='7 February 2008 - 13:15']To turn Dench's M into a villain would be about one of the worst moves that they could make. It is ridiculous to think that someone has risen to the top of MI6 over a career spanning probably 30-40 years without being noticed for any questionable links to villains. Inconceivable in my opinion.[/quote]
"You keep using that word, Vauxhall. I do not think it means what you think it means."

Don

[Daddy Bond]

I strongly doubt this as well. That would be like making Jim Phelps a turncoat in Mission Impossible! Never gonna happen.

No, but what if M thought there was a legitimate reason to do this?

[Niwram]

I know it sounds more OT than anything from DAD, but with Haggis on board, what if it against all odds is done really really well? Like Oscar-worthy well, in a realistic and tasteful way.

I'm more and more convinced.


[ibox]Bond discovers that Greene is forging a deal with exiled General Medrano. Manipulating his powerful contacts within the CIA and the British government, Greene promises to overthrow the existing regime in a Latin American country, giving the General control of the country.
In a minefield of treachery, murder and deceit...
As he gets closer to finding the man responsible for the betrayal of Vesper, 007 must keep one step ahead of the CIA, the terrorists and even M, to unravel Greenes sinister plan and stop his organisation[/ibox]

[Judo chop]

It does make one think a bit more about what we know and all that we don't.

[Harmsway]

I'm more and more convinced.

I'm more and more unconvinced.

And I don't see how that plot summary indicates anything about M being a traitor. It does indicate that MI6 has been infiltrated, but we already knew that.

[Vauxhall]

Plus Dench's M turning out to be a traitor would further cloud the already complex and widely debated issue of continuity with that character following the reboot. I really would be shocked if they decided to take that route.

I certainly don't see that clip of M and Bond from the featurette as suggesting that M could be evil. If she was, then they certainly wouldn't hint at it in a behind-the-scenes clip anyway! They would remain totally secretive until the movie is released.

[MarcAngeDraco]

Gotta love the rampant speculation that a new Bond film causes...

[whitesox]

I think Bond is the traitor, and Blofeld is his real name. "M" is just a cover for Agent 007, the famous Jane Bond.....

[Skudor]

I really, really doubt it. I can see where the theories are coming from - but I think they are grasping at straws.

[Shrublands]

James Bond: I always thought M was a randomly assigned letter. I had no idea it stood for Mrs Magnolia. Otherwise I would have been onto you from the start.

[Leon]

Dear me, interesting speculation guys but that's not happening. Even if it were they wouldn't show a clip of possibly the most shattering scene in Bond history on a featurette right at the start of shooting the new film.

Bond has clearly just done something very against the rules/code of conduct, that's all.

Edited by Leon, 08 February 2008 - 01:19 PM.