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[WhiteKnight2000]

I can't be the only person that loves this end scene from LTK? The cheesy pool scene that ends with Patti Labelle's excellent song 'If you asked me to' and the blinking fish. It's like the perfect cap on the era and the 80s at the same time. Also, the last time we see Dalton as Bond...

Thoughts?

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Edited by WhiteKnight2000, 29 January 2008 - 02:15 AM.

[freemo]

I don't know about the winking fish, but I do like the pool scene.

Hell, I like the winking fish.

[Donovan Mayne-Nicholls]

I find it interesting that in both his films, Dalton wears a tux in the final scene. I like the scene and I think the line is good but I must say that of all "fake" Bond songs (as in songs where the composer had no involvement whatsoever), I find LTK's the worst in that they could have been written for almost any American studio movie.

[Bondian]

Think you may need to link and not post those images WhiteKnight.

[sark]

Well, I always found Talisa Soto much more attractive, so that ending has always sort of bothered me.

[MissDalton99]

I think the winking fish is kind of cheesy, but I love the scene and I love Patti LaBelle's song. It's the perfect James Bond scene to watch on a hot summer night!

[Bondian]

Thanks, WhiteKnight.

Yeah. I like the end sequence, but I love the whole movie. There's so much to Licence to Kill that I can never get tired of.

Just a shame that Tim couldn't have done more...but that's another thread.

[PrinceKamalKhan]

Well, I always found Talisa Soto much more attractive, so that ending has always sort of bothered me.

My sentiments exactly. Also, the fact that such a dark Bond film ended with such a light, cheesey and sentimentally sappy scene was a bit of a let down. It should've been more serious with Bond's future with MI6 in doubt. Of course, there should have been a 3rd Dalton Bond movie that would deal with his re-entering MI6 but as Bondian points out, that's a discussion for another thread.

[DaveBond21]

Yes, I like that scene, and he picked the right girl.

[Cruiserweight]

I love that scence.But the song and the backdrop that's played as the credits role kind of make me sad because i know it's the last time we'd see Dalton as bond and the last time we'd see bond for 6 years.

[Scaramanga'74]

Judging by the intensity of the survival course both Mr. Bond and Ms. Bouvier had to endure in the form of scorching hot desert, burning meditation retreat drug-processing factory and exploding gasoline-laden tanker trucks, what better way can there be for the daring couple to unwind than to take a dip in the cooling freshness of a pool? A most appropriate ending for arguably the most brutal and hard-edged film in the EON Productions series that became a natural predecessor to Craig

[sharpshooter]

Good, but sad scene for the reasons already mentioned.

[DamnCoffee]

Like the Line. Like the Movie. Like the Bond Girl. Like the Bond. Hate the soundtrack. Hate the performer. Hate the closing music. I bloody despise that winking fish!!!

[00Twelve]

Like the song, but the happy-go-lucky ending rings so false to me. It's a safe ending. Felix is eating hospital jello with a smile and Bond's all wet with Pam! Yippee! Oh, and there's Q, rolling his eyes at the young(?) whippersnapper and double fisting champagne. Oh, that Q!!

But as randomly upbeat as the ending is, it's Bond. I'm there.

[tdalton]

I also like the ending to LTK. It features a great song (a song that would have made a much better title song than the one that is played during the title sequence) and Dalton plays the scene very well.

[mrsbonds_ppk]

I do like the pool scene and the song fit perfectly. And yes, it was a terrific film. Winking fish? I think I missed that...unbelievable. I don't remember a winking fish lol. I have to go back and check it out.

[Licence_007]

I can't be the only person that loves this end scene from LTK? The cheesy pool scene that ends with Patti Labelle's excellent song 'If you asked me to' and the blinking fish. It's like the perfect cap on the era and the 80s at the same time. Also, the last time we see Dalton as Bond...

Thoughts?

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I've never seen anything wrong with the scene and I quite like it. I like how upbeat it actually is after the darkest film in the series.

Edited by Licence_007, 29 January 2008 - 07:33 PM.

[J.C.D'Arc]

Well, I always found Talisa Soto much more attractive, so that ending has always sort of bothered me.

Great! Then you and I will never have to duel each other over her. Whereas, when I think of Carey Lowell, those thoughts always end in phrases like, "...until the cows come home," or, "...like there's no tomorrow," or "...over every square inch of her entire body," or "...again and again and again until I need an intravenous rehydration drip and vitamin E injections." It's probably because I find women who seem like they can balance their own checkbooks or overhaul their own carburetors more attractive than those whose skills appear to run more toward shopping and gold-digging.

[Milovy]

I really hate the ending of LTK. Not so much for Bond and Pam smooching in a pool (not even because Dalton's Bond wasn't the type for PDA's), but because the camera work is so awful. It takes forever for the camera to pull away and it's so awkward. Bad direction.

Of course, what Bond movie DID have a good final moment? The only ones that come to mind are DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER (Bond and Tiffany looking up at the stars) and maybe CASINO ROYALE.

Felix is eating hospital jello with a smile and Bond's all wet with Pam!

Maybe it should have been the other way around. Felix all wet (sleeping with the fishes) and Bond and Pam together in Jello.

Edited by Milovy, 02 February 2008 - 02:25 AM.

[Turn]

Of course, what Bond movie DID have a good final moment? The only ones that come to mind are DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER (Bond and Tiffany looking up at the stars) and maybe CASINO ROYALE.

Not a happy final moment, but OHMSS was one of the best. LALD's was memorable as well. And I kind of liked the end of TMWTGG as well with Nick Nack strung up in the net as the junk sails on.

[tdalton]

Of course, what Bond movie DID have a good final moment? The only ones that come to mind are DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER (Bond and Tiffany looking up at the stars) and maybe CASINO ROYALE.

Not a happy final moment, but OHMSS was one of the best. LALD's was memorable as well. And I kind of liked the end of TMWTGG as well with Nick Nack strung up in the net as the junk sails on.

I'd definitely agree and say that the endings of OHMSS and LALD are near the top as far as the best final moments of a Bond film are concerned. With that said, however, I'd definitely put the final moments of LTK right up there with them. It's got a great combination of good acting, leaving the audience with something positive (but not something positive that is forced in there for the sake of being positive), and a fantastic song to send the film out on (although "If You Asked Me To" should have, IMO, been the title track for the film).

[jaguar007]

I like LTK and Dalton is one of my favorite BOnds, but I HATE the ending of LTK. Pam running away crying when Lupe kissing BOnd is SO out of character. She is a tough gal throughout the movie then turnes into a crying little girl at the end of LTK. I thought Bond jumping into the pool was cheesy and the winking fish...come on!

One of the worst endings of the entire series. I get almost get embarssased watching it.

[Tarl_Cabot]

I hate that dialogue "why don't do you wait until...." It makes no sense at all(an editing isssue I would assume) and makes Dalton look very awkward when he should look cool getting his mack on on a ciggarette boat(!). But I have no problem with the winking fish because it's part of the friggin architecture and not a comedy device!

[00Twelve]

Like the song, but the happy-go-lucky ending rings so false to me. It's a safe ending. Felix is eating hospital jello with a smile

First of all, it was time for Felix to get over the rape and murder of his wife. It had been, like, what? A week? No need for Felix to be bringing an already dark, dour picture down even further.

You know what, you're exactly right. I mean, what was I thinking? The woman he loved and married got raped and murdered on the wedding night, but for crying out loud, it had been a whole week!

That's like, a hundred years in Narnia, right?

Plenty of time for him to shrug it off. I mean, what kind of guy mourns the spouse that died because of his line of work for a hundred Narnian years?

[hilly]

After nearly 20 years and God knows how many viewings, the connection between the last line of the film and the title of Patti La Belle's song has only just dawned on me...

Ah well

I've got no problem with the ending of LTK. Granted, the winking fish is a bit corny and Felix "Della who?" Leiter merrily chatting away after being mauled by a shark and being widowed, jars a little. On the plus side, I'm glad that Lupe's slightly ruthless gold-digging side is shown, as she shamelessly cosies up to el presidente. Dalton's impulsive leap into the pool shows the more reckless side of Bond that may well have been exploited had he done more films.

The post about the film and the end song being perfect for warm summer evenings struck a chord. Watching Bond films, for me personally, always evokes memories of when I saw each one for the first time. LTK always brings to mind the long hot summer (by UK standards) of '89..and me optimistically walking out of the cinema afterwards, looking forward to the next new Bond film in a couple of years!! How wrong was I!?

[HH007]

Like the Line. Like the Movie. Like the Bond Girl. Like the Bond. Hate the soundtrack. Hate the performer. Hate the closing music. I bloody despise that winking fish!!!

Well don't beat around the bush, Mharkin, tell us how you feel.

Honestly though, I think the ending in the pool is good. The winking fish is stupid, but it doesn't really bother me. I don't like the song they play over the end credits at all.

[00Twelve]

You know what, you're exactly right. I mean, what was I thinking? The woman he loved and married got raped and murdered on the wedding night, but for crying out loud, it had been a whole week!

That's like, a hundred years in Narnia, right?

Plenty of time for him to shrug it off. I mean, what kind of guy mourns the spouse that died because of his line of work for a hundred Narnian years?

Sir, I feel like I'm detecting some sarcasm coming from you.

Bond got over Tracy rather quickly. In fact, you can barely feel his anger towards Blofeld in Diamonds Are Forever; he's very casual and relaxed, even when trying to kill Blofeld. And, at one point, Bond practically praises Blofeld's plan for world domination.

Bond got over Tracy rather quickly? I don't mean to be obtuse, but:

1) DAF took place two entire years after OHMSS, and Bond was still hunting Blofeld. Which tells me he's not quite "over" it all (and that's even assuming that they weren't trying to ignore the events of OHMSS, which they were)

2-a)The DAF film basically ignores the events of OHMSS in the first place. There's not one solid reference to the latter at all (save the DBS in the background at Q's lab). You could jump straight from YOLT to DAF and not miss a thing or have any reason to think that there was even a film in between.

2-b)DAF's lack of acknowledgement of Tracy's death rings just as falsely as LTK's ending. I'm glad you don't see a problem with that, but it really drags down the film's value for others of us here.

3)I'm gonna go out on a limb and guarantee that Bond will take much longer than a week to get over Vesper in QOS. Call it a hunch.

4)Fleming's Bond was still severely depressed and screwing up his job (nearly to the point of being fired) 8+ months after Tracy's murder in OHMSS. He *might* have tried to escape his depression through alcohol and sleeping around, but it was still severe, and Bond only really came alive again when the opportunity to kill Blofeld suddenly and unexpectedly arose.

Besides, Felix and Della weren't married but for a few hours. It's not like they'd been married 50 years and now his life-partner was gone.

Surely you don't think they fell in love after getting married, do you?

As a happily married guy of nearly 5 years, I can promise that the grief would be utterly unthinkable if your wife had not only been murdered, but raped and murdered, on your very own wedding night. I couldn't even imagine, and don't want to try.
Couple that with the inevitable truth that any widower who actually loved his wife would doubtlessly feel responsible for her death had he been in Felix' (or Bond's, for that matter) shoes, as the one who was killed was innocent of the whole spy/drug game that led to the whole terrible event. I don't think I'm making an unfair assumption there, either. Sanchez let Felix live on purpose-- so that he'd always remember that night and the price he paid for standing up to Sanchez.

I'm just saying, the chipper ending was about as realistic as a paper umbrella. But it had to end on a note, because the producers knew that the legal problems were gonna put the release of the next film in jeopardy, and they didn't want loose ends. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate LTK by any means-- I just wish they'd been a little ballsier and delivered an ending that fit the circumstances of the story.

Of course, if you're just trying to get a rise out of me, well done-- I bought it completely.

[Mr. Blofeld]

Fleming's Bond was still severely depressed and screwing up his job (nearly to the point of being fired) 8+ months after Tracy's murder in OHMSS. He *might* have tried to escape his depression through alcohol and sleeping around, but it was still severe, and Bond only really came alive again when the opportunity to kill Blofeld suddenly and unexpectedly arose.

What's the point of living if you can't feel alive?

(By the way, I used to think that was a lyric from the TWINE title song, jusy like LTK... )

[Publius]

I actually love that ending, but I don't like how Leiter's part in the story was wrapped up with a phone call. It'd have been nice if he had been flown there for that party, maybe winding up with Lupe himself. (Hey, some time had passed, and they could have made it just a subtle hint.)

Both the girls were beautiful (maybe the best duo of Bond girls in any Bond movie), so I don't have a problem with Bond ending up with Pam, although the story could have easily been tweaked to have him ending up with Lupe. Either works, so I'm indifferent about that.

The only other problem I have with it is the winking fish. Kinda weird. Everything else, though, from the closing song (one of the best in Bond movies) to the jumping in the pool bit as Q takes a swig of some alcohol and shakes his head, was great. The movie was dark and realistic, but it didn't need to have a downer of an ending like OHMSS (interestingly, that movie was relatively lighthearted and less realistic than LtK, yet had the sadder ending).

[craigbegins]

I find it kinda cheesy tbh. "Bla bla bla.. badly written segue into Patti Labelle song.."