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[Leon]

One iconic image that is neede din Bond 22 is our first shot of Daniel Craig's 007 wearing a shoulder rig holster (jacket off obviously). He carried the IWB holster in Casino Royale and nothing in the casino due to metal detectors.

While I like that he is using the discrete waistband holster like in the books, he should have a shot with his jacket off wearing a shoulder rig. It's a classic 007 image.

[Trident]

That might resemble Steve McQueen in 'Bullit'.

http://www.allposter...s_i1749391_.htm

Would certainly give a splendid iconic image.

[DamnCoffee]

That might resemble Steve McQueen in 'Bullit'.

http://www.allposter...s_i1749391_.htm

Would certainly give a splendid iconic image.

Steve McQueen resembles Sean Connery in the Pre Titles of Goldfinger

[Righty007]

I bet Bond will be wearing a shoulder holster in Quantum of Solace because it looks like he's wearing a lot of suits in the film.

He didn't have one in Casino Royale because he had the hip holster while he was undercover in Madagascar and M sent him a gun in a parcel for his quasi-undercover work at Casino Royale.

Now it's time for the shoulder holster and maybe the Walther PPK (hopefully) to return!

[MkB]

I too hope so! The shoulder holster is part of Bond's iconic outfit...

[MattofSteel]

The gun in the newswrap video DOES look like quite a lot like the silver PPK, as someone mentioned in the other thread.

[frankwalker]

Now it's time for the shoulder holster and maybe the Walther PPK (hopefully) to return!

Do you want the Walther because it's a classic?

Don't know much about handguns, but wouldn't the Walther be outdated by now and surpassed by modern guns? I mean, it was cool when Fleming put it in the novels back around 1960 but that was almost 50 years ago!

[MkB]

I guess the Walther P99 would do, as an update

[MarcAngeDraco]

Now it's time for the shoulder holster and maybe the Walther PPK (hopefully) to return!

Do you want the Walther because it's a classic?

Don't know much about handguns, but wouldn't the Walther be outdated by now and surpassed by modern guns? I mean, it was cool when Fleming put it in the novels back around 1960 but that was almost 50 years ago!

Actually, the PPK is still a pretty popular choice for concealed carry situations.

[darkpath]

Now it's time for the shoulder holster and maybe the Walther PPK (hopefully) to return!

Do you want the Walther because it's a classic?

Don't know much about handguns, but wouldn't the Walther be outdated by now and surpassed by modern guns? I mean, it was cool when Fleming put it in the novels back around 1960 but that was almost 50 years ago!

I wouldn't mind the PPK; but in 9mmK instead of 7.65mm. The 9mmK is, if I recall correctly, a subsonic round, so a suppressor for 9mm would be smaller than 9mmP, while still being more adequate than the 7.65mm.

[Double-0-7]

While they still sell many PPKs, Walther recently put out a modern compact auto called the PPS (Police Pistol Slim). From the side it looks like a P99 Compact, but it has a single-stack magazine, making it much slimmer than the P99. Available in 9mm and .40 caliber, so much more firepower than the 7.65mm PPK.

Guns&Ammo Magazine loved it:
Walther PPS - Guns & Ammo Magazine Review

[Righty007]

Now it's time for the shoulder holster and maybe the Walther PPK (hopefully) to return!

Do you want the Walther because it's a classic?

Yeah and I love its look/design.

[sharpshooter]

Yes indeed. The Walther PPK is the best firearm for Bond to use. It looks very cool silenced as well. I'd like to see it return. The P99 seems to suit Craig's Bond personality better though.

[levitator]

Well, my favorite is the Walther P5 from Octopussy

In 2004 they "redesigned" the P99 slightly: Rounded trigger guard, minimal changes at the slide.

But it is still BIG. The PPS is an excellent choice for concealed operations, Double-0-7

If Bonds wearing a suite, he surely will use a shoulder holster. But only, if he's not taking the gun out of an envelope with a silencer attached.

But the P99 is an "icon" now and I don't think they'll replace it. It was hard for Bond to give the Beretta away, 35 years (!!!) the PPK, and after 11 years the P99... NOOOOOOO !

The PPK would give a pretty "cameo" as backup weapon

With a good shoulder holster from BIANCHI the big P99 is quite suitable.

[MarcAngeDraco]

While they still sell many PPKs, Walther recently put out a modern compact auto called the PPS (Police Pistol Slim). From the side it looks like a P99 Compact, but it has a single-stack magazine, making it much slimmer than the P99. Available in 9mm and .40 caliber, so much more firepower than the 7.65mm PPK.

Yes, Double-0-7, the PPS would be a terrific choice based on firepower. But the design is not nearly as elegant as the iconic PPK, so (personally) I'd still prefer to see the PPK return when appropriate (i.e. when Bond needs to wear a shoulder rig under a suit).

[Trident]

Now it's time for the shoulder holster and maybe the Walther PPK (hopefully) to return!

Do you want the Walther because it's a classic?

Don't know much about handguns, but wouldn't the Walther be outdated by now and surpassed by modern guns? I mean, it was cool when Fleming put it in the novels back around 1960 but that was almost 50 years ago!

Well, actually the PPK was already a bit dated by 1958 (when Fleming introduced it in DOCTOR NO). Its original design stems from the PP from 1929; the PPK itself from 1931. Still a reliable design that has seen more than 50 years of service in Germany's various military, police and security services as well as in several other countries. As a casual-carry backup weapon for situations one doesn't really expect trouble (and that's when one might need a weapon the most, as many gun-toters would argue) it is still very much in demand. While I myself can't attest to that, I think that the PPK is definitely outdated by now.

Ok, like many other fans I like the PPK's design and find it much easier to conceal than the rather ungainly P99 that is a regular service auto (i.e. for people that are licensed to carry a gun and need not hide it from any number of curious eyes for any length of time) that sticks out from ones silhouette like a sore thumb. But the real reason for my preference over the P99 would be that, apart from its few advantages, it's the classic gun that Fleming decided on. But would I feel likewise had Fleming given Bond only the (by now almost forgotten) S&W .38 Centennial Airweight? I doubt it very much.

While Revolvers still remain as accurate, as reliable and as deadly as ever, the wheelgun is also very much a thing of the past by now. And that results almost solely from the amount of firepower modern autos pack in relatively small dimensions and weights. And pretty much the same is true for the good old PPK. While still a deadly handgun, there are a host of other guns available today that can get the job of finding a reasonable compromise between firepower, concealability and accuracy done far more efficiently than the PPK.

Edited by Trident, 13 February 2008 - 05:26 PM.

[Daddy Bond]

I own the Bersa 380 - an inexpensive, high quality PPK imitation.

[HH007]

I own the Bersa 380 - an inexpensive, high quality PPK imitation.

I have an actual PPK.

[frankwalker]

I shot a friend's guns, a Ruger .45 and Glock 9mm I think they were, both scary and loud. I wouldn't mind having a .22 for shooting tin cans in the woods but here all handguns are restricted to an official firing range which isn't much fun.

On movie sets, do they use blanks in an unmodified real gun (sometimes it looks like CGI)? Wondering if they are as noisy as the real thing. And I would think the automatic and semi-auto guns might need to be modified for the action to work properly with a blank which probably has a lot less gas pressure and recoil force.

[OO4]

I have the feeling he's still going to use the P99. And to be honest the only thing that really bothered me about it during the Brosnan era was that they insisted on having him use a shoulder holster. It's just too large a gun for that. Craig's IWB made alot more sense. I'd hope they'd have him use something smaller (ie single stack) if they do go back to the shoulder rig.

I'm probably in the minority here, but I'd love if Bond carried a S&W J-frame for a backup. There's still quite a few people that carry them for a backup weapon. As trident said, they're still as reliable and as deadly as ever. It would be a nice nod to Fleming and follow the old proverb on concealed carry, "Two is One, and One is None."

[Double-0-7]

While they still sell many PPKs, Walther recently put out a modern compact auto called the PPS (Police Pistol Slim). From the side it looks like a P99 Compact, but it has a single-stack magazine, making it much slimmer than the P99. Available in 9mm and .40 caliber, so much more firepower than the 7.65mm PPK.

Yes, Double-0-7, the PPS would be a terrific choice based on firepower. But the design is not nearly as elegant as the iconic PPK, so (personally) I'd still prefer to see the PPK return when appropriate (i.e. when Bond needs to wear a shoulder rig under a suit).

I'm with you, MAD - the PPK is a beautiful little gun that sure feels like it has enough power when it is jumping in your hand. I just got a nice bonus and may spend some of it on a new gun. As the PPK costs substantially less than the uglier - but deadlier PPS, I may finally add one to the arsenal.

Now which caliber - the 7.65mm as Fleming specified, or the .380 with noticably more power?

[agentjamesbond007]

One iconic image that is neede din Bond 22 is our first shot of Daniel Craig's 007 wearing a shoulder rig holster (jacket off obviously).

It's a classic 007 image.

Yup, it would be cool to see him wearing that like in one of the Sean Connery films (forgot which one but it had the quote "shocking... positively shocking.")

[sharpshooter]

Yup, it would be cool to see him wearing that like in one of the Sean Connery films (forgot which one but it had the quote "shocking... positively shocking.")

That's Goldfinger.

[Flash1087]

Honestly, I've been calling for Bond to start carrying the ASP in films for years now and have little reason to cease! It'd be perfect for him, and while it's not as iconic as his two Walthers (which I don't want to abolish entirely, but I've always argued the P99 shouldn't be his constant-carry weapon) it's a stellar handgun who finally needs to see some screen time.

[Trident]

Honestly, I've been calling for Bond to start carrying the ASP in films for years now and have little reason to cease! It'd be perfect for him, and while it's not as iconic as his two Walthers (which I don't want to abolish entirely, but I've always argued the P99 shouldn't be his constant-carry weapon) it's a stellar handgun who finally needs to see some screen time.

Yes, the ASP would certainly be a good choice. But as it's out of production I don't see that happen. After all, even the coice of handgun is a question of product placement and merchandise. EON Bond will only wear what the modern market can provide. I for one would already be happy if they stopped Bond drawing ridiculously large full-size service autos from shoulder holsters under ridiculously well and lean cut expensive suits that clearly didn't cover those guns till the scene was shot. This is just an 'Inspector Gadget'-thing and really ludicrous and annoying. It's either well cut suits and slim line gun or full size indoor FLAK and Jack-Bauer's-Secret™ baggy fashion. Only very few people can have both.

Edited by Trident, 14 February 2008 - 02:09 PM.

[Eddie Burns]

This may sound strange but...

Why don't they have a gunbarrel with Bond wearing his shouldler holster but with no jacket. In my head it would be iconic in a modern way but classic all the same and would suit Craig's rough/tough Bond. But thats just in my head. Don't know how it may look on screen, but I have a feeling it would be quite cool.

[Double-0 Seven]

Terrific.
I pick up a .38 S&W but this teaser is superb with this holster for the .44 magnum.

[darkpath]

Honestly, I've been calling for Bond to start carrying the ASP in films for years now and have little reason to cease! It'd be perfect for him, and while it's not as iconic as his two Walthers (which I don't want to abolish entirely, but I've always argued the P99 shouldn't be his constant-carry weapon) it's a stellar handgun who finally needs to see some screen time.

Yes, the ASP would certainly be a good choice. But as it's out of production I don't see that happen. After all, even the coice of handgun is a question of product placement and merchandise. EON Bond will only wear what the modern market can provide. I for one would already be happy if they stopped Bond drawing ridiculously large full-size service autos from shoulder holsters under ridiculously well and lean cut expensive suits that clearly didn't cover those guns till the scene was shot. This is just an 'Inspector Gadget'-thing and really ludicrous and annoying. It's either well cut suits and slim line gun or full size indoor FLAK and Jack-Bauer's-Secret™ baggy fashion. Only very few people can have both.

As much as I would probably be screaming with enthusiasm if they ever showed Bond with an ASP, since EON seems fixated on Walther, they should at least have him use the PPS instead of the gargantuan P99. While I'm only so-so on the trigger feel of the PPS, I will grant that it is a very slim pistol and certainly capable of being concealed nicely.

[James Blond]

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Now which caliber - the 7.65mm as Fleming specified, or the .380 with noticably more power?
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I have the .380, it feels very powerful. I love it.

[Red Barchetta]

I'd like to see Bond wearing the P99 in a shoulder holster, and the PPK as a backup, being worn on the hip. Maybe he loses the P99, and goes back to the PPK...