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[PlayItBogart]

This is perhaps the worst moment in the series(even worse than the para surf sequence bc Bond looks like such a wuss).

Worse than Connery's Bond getting beat up by two women while wearing a pink tie

You have to admit that was pretty bad. Nevermind that the tie is pink, but it's a good three inches above his naval. Who was working the costume department that day?

[vednam]

i think you guys are going a little far with this now. You guys are so into hating everything PB did. He's not as good as Mr. Craig but PB was the bond when i got into bond and starting watching all the movies. I may be wrong, but in my opinion and may observation of the post in this part of the forum. And I myself don't post much but i do come here daily and enjoy reading the post on this great forum. But it just seems to me that not alot of you like PB. I don't have a problem with him i though he did a great job durning his tenture. But he is not bond anymore and craig is so im fully behind Mr. Craig. CR was one of my top five bond movies. And no a PB movie is not in that top five. But that still doesn't make PB a failure. If GE was a failure then we wouldn't be here right now talking about the 22 james bond movie. In my opinion.

It's not about that, to me.

I like Brosnan (more so than Craig, in fact), and I like GoldenEye. I just think that the villian was too soft and casual when it came to eliminating Bond in the film, and the film would have turned out much better if Trevelyan had a substantial reason for not making sure to kill Bond on the 2nd or 3rd opportunity, or if Trevelyan wasn't presented with so many easy shots at Bond.

Well they were supposed to be good friends. They touched on it a few times, but the fact that Alec didn't just off Bond at all the chances he had says something to me especially the scene in the statue park where he tranqs Bond rather than just shooting him. He always gives Bond a chance and I have to say I don't think he really expected Bond to die in the helicopter where.. momentarily after that crisis is over, the Russians just happen to show up. Honestly, I don't have a problem with it. Alec's ego also got the better of him and I think he actually enjoyed facing off against Bond to prove he was better. When it got to the end where Bond practically killed his plan and it was finally more personal, then it was time to kill and it was also time for Alec to 'brag' to Bond that he was "always better". Didn't work out for him though.

A good theory, and it makes some sense.

Still, if Alec wanted to face off with Bond more than easily kill him, why did he send Xenia out to get him several times?

Trevelyan is one of the ultimate gloating Bond villains, along with Goldfinger. He can't resist throwing it in Bond's face that he's still alive and better than he is.

I have no problem with a gloating villian, but it seems odd in Trevelyan's case. As 006, Trevelyan presumably benefitted from a bad guy's excessive gloating (as we've seen that Bond has). One would think Trevelyan, as an insider, would know exactly what to do and what NOT to do in dealing with Bond.

[Major Tallon]

The logical flaws in GoldenEye's screenplay have been much discusssed, and they inevitably leave us shaking our heads a bit trying to figure out what's going on, especially as they concern the key motivation for a lot of Trevelyan's actions. Then there's the matter of Brosnan himself, who, for reasons I can't fully explain, just wasn't Bond to me. Maybe I'm not being fair to him, because I'd been so taken by Dalton's portrayal, and I acknowledge that his casting was greeted by widespread enthusiasm at the time. And there's the matter of the music, which sounded odd to me on first hearing and hasn't improved with repeated viewings of the film.

For all that, I like GoldenEye quite a bit. The film moves at a nice pace, the characters are well developed, the performances (including Brosnan's) are good, and the humor generally adds to our enjoyment without being juvenile. Campbell's direction was very good as well. If only the screenplay hadn't left so many nagging questions.

For all its flaws, then, I'll gladly slip GoldenEye into the DVD player any day.

[MkB]

I hate the sauna scene more than any of the glaring plot holes.

These scenes with Xenia (sauna and Cuba) have a major flaw: the way she acts, it's clear that she isn't really suffocating her victim with her thigs. It's not violent enough.

[sharpshooter]

Worse than Connery's Bond getting beat up by two women while wearing a pink tie

Hah, indeed.

I personally think Bond wasnt taking the Bambi and Thumper/ Xenia fights seriously initially and got surprised. This got him off on the wrong foot and was overcome briefly. He eventually does overcome them both and seems rather cool about it.

[Judo chop]

This is perhaps the worst moment in the series(even worse than the para surf sequence bc Bond looks like such a wuss).

Worse than Connery's Bond getting beat up by two women while wearing a pink tie

I heard Connery shot that scene on the side as a prank. Hamilton had no idea it had been shot, or that it was going into the final cut for the premiere.

[stamper]

The problem with 006 is that he survives the fall, so that the satellite can fall onto him. This movie was bad, but this sequence was the baddest, what with that idiot actor playing Boris shaking his MONITOR in order to get his computer work faster, I mean, if the guy is a computer genius, doesn't he knows that you shake the computer, not the monitor ? Have you seen this guy in the bonuses, at the annoucement of the movie ? The way he dresses, the way the other actors mock him, they should have fired him and replaced him on the spot. I am still amazed he get work, I mean, Kubrick hired him on his last film, showing clearly his judgement was going out of the window.

[Royal Dalton]

what with that idiot actor playing Boris shaking his MONITOR in order to get his computer work faster, I mean, if the guy is a computer genius, doesn't he knows that you shake the computer, not the monitor ?

I'm not sure shaking the computer would have done much good, either. But, to be fair, that's the director's fault, anyway.

He is a bloody awful actor, though.

[triviachamp]

Or Sean blackmailing a nurse to have sex with him?

[MkB]

This movie was bad, but this sequence was the baddest, what with that idiot actor playing Boris shaking his MONITOR in order to get his computer work faster, I mean, if the guy is a computer genius, doesn't he knows that you shake the computer, not the monitor ?

As a computer genius myself, I assure you: when a computer doesn't work fast enough, you don't shake the computer. You shoot it. (maybe it won't work any faster, but it will undoubtedly smooth your nerve) ;-)

[Scottlee]

I have no problem with a gloating villian, but it seems odd in Trevelyan's case. As 006, Trevelyan presumably benefitted from a bad guy's excessive gloating (as we've seen that Bond has). One would think Trevelyan, as an insider, would know exactly what to do and what NOT to do in dealing with Bond.

Bond is the only guy whoever gets put on an incredibly slow-moving contraption inside a villain's lair. All the other agents lead routine lives except for when they're buddying up with Bond. Thus, I would say it's perfectly possibly 006 never went through the whole 'laser table' experience. No really!

[PlayItBogart]

The problem with 006 is that he survives the fall, so that the satellite can fall onto him. This movie was bad, but this sequence was the baddest, what with that idiot actor playing Boris shaking his MONITOR in order to get his computer work faster, I mean, if the guy is a computer genius, doesn't he knows that you shake the computer, not the monitor ? Have you seen this guy in the bonuses, at the annoucement of the movie ? The way he dresses, the way the other actors mock him, they should have fired him and replaced him on the spot. I am still amazed he get work, I mean, Kubrick hired him on his last film, showing clearly his judgement was going out of the window.

I'm guessing you don't work with computers. They can be very stressful when they want to be, and begging your monitor isn't exactly outside the realm of possibilities. Besides, I think Boris' outfits help him stand out and they go with the character's personality. He's a hardcore computer geek, not a soft-spoken IT professional.

[00Twelve]

And hey, he made a decent Nightcrawler.

[JWM]

People are certainly entitled to dislike Goldeneye. While I don't hate Brosnan (I actually enjoy TND and DAD), I just can't bring myself to like GE, there are far too many flaws in the film, I feel.

I agree with you but it just seems to me that there is far too much nitpicking at PB films. Yes GE was not PB best, just like DAF was not connerys best. But i just see a growing dislike for PB.

[sharpshooter]

what with that idiot actor playing Boris shaking his MONITOR in order to get his computer work faster, I mean, if the guy is a computer genius, doesn't he knows that you shake the computer, not the monitor ?

Ah.... I think you will find that Boris is very frustrated and on edge. He is shouting "SPEAK TO ME!!" as well. Also considering that he had a pistol pointed at him throughout most of the time in order to fix the problems.
His cocky "It is too early, I am not ready" attitude of 'this will be too easy' got a real shake up.