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[erniecureo]

I'm hoping they show the scene of Bond and Vesper at the "train station" in Montenegro, before they get into the Daimler for the ride to the casino...and more behind-the-scenes stuff in the main casino. Not for any personal reasons, of course...

[00Twelve]

I wonder whether three discs will actually be necessary, or whether it'll be a case of spreading bonus material that could easily fit onto two discs across three in order to make it look more of a super-duper edition than it actually is.

Like the March release did with two discs?

[Joe Bond]

I agree with erniecureo about having the train station scene in this new version as well as other cuts that were made either by sensors or to trim the time and not pace, like when Bond, Vesper, and Mathis walk to the outdoor resturant table in Montengro it cuts to them already in their seats without showing them sitting down (don't if this was a cut for time or not). If this is a UE version of CR then I would expect them to have a DTS track on it even though the R3 version of the current DVD already has this track. I would also like to see deleted scenes as a special feature for the scenes that were cut because they didn't work as well as some screentests of Craig and the others who did them either on a new documentary or just by themselves.

[Odd Job]

Greetings all,

I have to get something off my chest here. This kind of marketing strategy really makes my blood boil. I know that not everbody who buys a dvd of a film necessarily wants lots of extras (in particular deleted scenes and commetaries), but in the case of Bond, hardcore fans (like myself) do, and we are not exactly small in number. So why not release the 'Special' edition at the same time as the regular. Or at least do what they did with the Lord of the Rings and announce the date of the special edition when they release the regular, so the hardcore fans can at least try to hang on. NO! Sony has to double dip and say nothing, hoping that fools (like me), buy the paltry 1st edition because we don't know when and if the special edition is going to be released. I am sick and tired of this and I can only hope that I can get a pirate copy of this dvd, because Sony's not getting another dime from me!

I feel better now.

[stamper]

Hi Oddjob, I know from insiders, that the CR DVD was done before the movie ever came out in the theaters. They had no time to do a SE, they had a movie to get out first.

It's not dictated by any marketing strategy to screw people, but by logistics.

[Skudor]

I'm not sure whether to be pleased or annoyed... I certainly won't jump at buying this one. It will be cheaper later on.

[DamnCoffee]

3 discs? I'm hoping we get a pretty in-depth making-of documentary (at least an hour), because if it's just deleted scenes, commentary, and some five minutes featurettes, then there's no need for three discs.

I dont think there was no need for two Discs with the March release. All those extras could easily fit on a single disc release.

[Simon]

This certainly cannot have come as a surprise.

The Super Edition, or whatever it was, was always a taste of things that were certainly due to come somewhere down the line.

I am perhaps slightly smug in that I have specifically not bought the 2-disker, have ignored all reports about the 1-disker (does anyone have the slightest idea about this strategy?) and will await the final(?) version.

If the three disk version does not hold all the extras on the initial release, I am sure ebay will provide whatever I am missing.

[[dark]]

I am perhaps slightly smug in that I have specifically not bought the 2-disker, have ignored all reports about the 1-disker (does anyone have the slightest idea about this strategy?) and will await the final(?) version.

As I understand it, the one-disc version is often used for inclusion in multiple-buy deals (3 for $40 or whatever), which gives them the leeway to keep the two-disc editions at a slightly more premium price. There's also a (maybe small) market for people who simply aren't concerned about special features and buy their DVDs cheap. I'm guessing the delayed release of the one-disc editions allows them to milk the more expensive two-disc release for all they can.

[00Twelve]

When a film first comes out on DVD, look and see what the special features are. If there are just a couple of featurettes and a few deleted scenes, and especially if there is NO COMMENTARY (big clue ), then it's probably safe to assume that there's a better edition coming. That's been the unwaivering pattern for several years now. Doesn't make it right, but it's not changing anytime soon.

So, if one really wants that stuff (commentaries, lengthy features and featurettes, deleted scenes), the only way to stick it to the man and avoid getting screwed is to wait until the best release comes out. They usually come out somewhere around a year after the theatrical release or the first DVD release. And 10 years down the line, if an even better version comes out, decide whether you want it, and get it (or don't).

[Judo chop]

I eat whatever

[Andrew]

I'm still holding out hope for an extended cut and a Craig commentary but I suppose that's pretty unlikely.

[sharpshooter]

I would think so, but you dont know. A Lazenby and Dalton commentary will most likely never happen.

[Jim]

Does anyone actually feel surprised by this news?

[sharpshooter]

No. Not one bit. That bare bones DVD was set up for this.

[Simon]

I am perhaps slightly smug in that I have specifically not bought the 2-disker, have ignored all reports about the 1-disker (does anyone have the slightest idea about this strategy?) and will await the final(?) version.

As I understand it, the one-disc version is often used for inclusion in multiple-buy deals (3 for $40 or whatever), which gives them the leeway to keep the two-disc editions at a slightly more premium price.

Thanks. Seems likely.

Ref above, for my part, commentaries work best when performed by those behind the scenes. Actors have rarely given interesting commentaries unless of course your name happens to be Roger Moore and you have a voice, a delivery and an ability to entertain through raconteurship.

The flip side of this is Brosnan's DAD precredits talk. "Pinewood, location, model, Pinewood, location, Pinewood, model." Oh dear.

It is referencing slightly a comment about 'viewing rushes'. The Wardrobe can only see the clothes, the actor can only see himself, the Production designer can only see the wardrobe. So the director is always best placed as s/he is responsible for all.

Ridley Scott comes to mind, as does Sam Mendes.

[00Twelve]

I think my all time favorite commentaries outside the world of Bond are the cast commentaries for the LOTR:EEs. Those and Jackson's are fantastic, and worth the price of the DVDs alone. The reason that all those commentaries worked was that they were ALL included. It's okay to have a commentary by stictly the SFX department if 1)It's a film driven by SFX, and 2)There are other commentaries not concentrating on one certain aspect of filming.

I find actors' commentaries interesting on the whole, sometimes moreso than the directors'. Certain directors stick out for me as well, including (as "Simon said" ) Ridley Scott, and William Friedkin. My least fave are producer's commentaries, but that doesn't really happen outside Bond.