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[007_Back]

Would you have liked it better with Dalton in it?

[Vauxhall]

I do like Brosnan's GOLDENEYE, and whilst I would certainly have liked to have seen Dalton make a third movie, I don't feel that the tone of GOLDENEYE was quite correct for his era of movies. I for one am quite happy with the way it was eventually made.

[Royal Dalton]

Would you have liked it better with Dalton in it?

Yes.

What might have been...

[Daddy Bond]

How's this for a non answer. I would have liked Dalton in it, but I really liked Brosnan in it. He seemed perfect for it - it was a bit lighter than Dalton's outings, and I like the overall mood of Goldeneye as it stands. However, I must admit to some bias as Goldeneye is the first Bond movie that I had ever seen. Over time, however, I have come to really prefer Dalton as Bond, but I still really liked Brosnan as Bond in Goldeneye.

Regards

[DamnCoffee]

As someone said on CBn quite a while back: Dalton's Ghost haunts GoldenEye! I don't think Brosnan fits the dark Bond though, that why I had such a problem with it. I would much prefer Dalton in it the ald Brozza.

[Turn]

I would have preferred Dalton in many more movies, especially GE.

The problem Brosnan faces is it's his debut film as Bond and we're given a whole back story that goes back 9 years. We're not that familiar with him as Bond yet (although some may argue it seemed like he was way back to that time).

While the plot is somewhat generic and an easy way to introduce a new Bond, the 00 vs 00 premise is harder to accept since that history is lacking. Knowing Dalton and the more angst-ridden Bond he was, this fits his version better.

Besides, Brosnan had two more betrayal Bond films in his era. Three's a crowd in this case.

[jaguar007]

My 2 biggest problems with GE are the music and Brosnan. Brosnans performance seemed forced to me, like a kid putting on his dads tux and playing James Bond. The whole feel of the movie screams Dalton to me. It should have been Dalton!

That said, I will admit that I don't think it would have done quite as well box office wise with Dalton as it did Brosnan.

[Cruiserweight]

Yes i would

[RazorBlade]

How about this; Laz turns down more Bond after OHMSS and Sean can't make it for DAF. The whole bit with John Gavie was a gag to get Tim Dalton to come down on his salary demands. Starting with DAF through to and including GE we have a long period of Dalton as Bond.

There is no justice in the world for Daltonites.

[Judo chop]

How about this; Laz turns down more Bond after OHMSS and Sean can't make it for DAF. The whole bit with John Gavie was a gag to get Tim Dalton to come down on his salary demands. Starting with DAF through to and including GE we have a long period of Dalton as Bond.

There is no justice in the world for Daltonites.

You have just made concrete an eternal friendship with MHazard, but have invoked the fiery wrath of Santajosep.

There

[00Twelve]

You have just made concrete an eternal friendship with MHazard, but have invoked the fiery wrath of Santajosep.

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[RazorBlade]

[quote name='Judo chop' post='762684' date='15 August 2007 - 17:35'][quote name='RazorBlade' post='762670' date='15 August 2007 - 11:46']How about this; Laz turns down more Bond after OHMSS and Sean can't make it for DAF. The whole bit with John Gavie was a gag to get Tim Dalton to come down on his salary demands. Starting with DAF through to and including GE we have a long period of Dalton as Bond.

There is no justice in the world for Daltonites.[/quote]

You have just made concrete an eternal friendship with MHazard, but have invoked the fiery wrath of Santajosep.

There

[WC]

I would've loved to see Dalton in Goldeneye. I've long wanted a 3rd Dalton film, and there certainly are Dalton-like elements in it. Brosnan does seem to be playing against type in there, given that he is generally a lighter actor to begin with, and the movie is quite serious.

But I have to also agree with one of the posters above that perhaps it might not have done as well at the box office with Dalton compared to Brosnan. But maybe that's because people were already prejudiced against Dalton's portrayal. Perhaps if that had been Dalton's debut movie (ie he was the same age he was when he made TLD) then maybe he would've been accepted more readily. Dalton came after Moore, when everyone was still expecting a light-hearted Bond. Perhaps Dalton was too ahead of his time when TLD came out, but by the time of GE, people's expectations had changed.

[ACE]

I think Dalton would have been great in GoldenEye. As is.

However, Brosnan was far better than I ever imagined him to be and I actually think his Bond developed and balanced what Dalton had started.

I don't think GoldenEye would have been as successful had Dalton come back, it grieves me to say.

[Royal Dalton]

I don't think GoldenEye would have been as successful had Dalton come back, it grieves me to say.

Yeah, probably not. Of course, financially speaking, GoldenEye benefitted enormously from the relaunch double whammy of having a new Bond, and being the first film for six years.

John Calley was quite shrewd in that regard...

[ACE]

I don't think GoldenEye would have been as successful had Dalton come back, it grieves me to say.

Yeah, probably not. Of course, financially speaking, GoldenEye benefitted enormously from the relaunch double whammy of having a new Bond, and being the first film for six years.

John Calley was quite shrewd in that regard...

True. For me it would have been Sophie's Choice - risk the franchise or deep six my favourite Bond.
Think they made the right choice but I still hold a candle for Tim.
Brosnan was a far better Bond than I imagined and we were very lucky. His success certainly paved the way for the Casino Royale route.

[Royal Dalton]

For me it would have been Sophie's Choice - risk the franchise or deep six my favourite Bond.

Think they made the right choice but I still hold a candle for Tim.
Brosnan was a far better Bond than I imagined and we were very lucky. His success certainly paved the way for the Casino Royale route.

Yeah. And maybe it's better to leave the audience wanting more, rather than overstay your welcome, anyway.

[sharpshooter]

I liked Brosnan doing GoldenEye, but Dalton would of been excellent.

Certainly, GoldenEye has many Dalton references in it. The plane trip in Cuba "yes sir" line , "dont make it personal" for example.

[avl]

[quote name='Judo chop' post='762684' date='15 August 2007 - 18:35'][quote name='RazorBlade' post='762670' date='15 August 2007 - 11:46']How about this; Laz turns down more Bond after OHMSS and Sean can't make it for DAF. The whole bit with John Gavie was a gag to get Tim Dalton to come down on his salary demands. Starting with DAF through to and including GE we have a long period of Dalton as Bond.

There is no justice in the world for Daltonites.[/quote]

You have just made concrete an eternal friendship with MHazard, but have invoked the fiery wrath of Santajosep.

There

[RazorBlade]

[quote name='avl' post='764734' date='21 August 2007 - 10:09'][quote name='Judo chop' post='762684' date='15 August 2007 - 18:35'][quote name='RazorBlade' post='762670' date='15 August 2007 - 11:46']How about this; Laz turns down more Bond after OHMSS and Sean can't make it for DAF. The whole bit with John Gavie was a gag to get Tim Dalton to come down on his salary demands. Starting with DAF through to and including GE we have a long period of Dalton as Bond.

There is no justice in the world for Daltonites.[/quote]

You have just made concrete an eternal friendship with MHazard, but have invoked the fiery wrath of Santajosep.

There

[vednam]

Brosnan does a decent job in GoldenEye, but I think Dalton (or perhaps a Dalton younger than he was in 1995) would have done a better job.

The racing scene Bond has with Xenia probably wouldn't fit Dalton too well, but almost every other part of the movie had me envisioning Dalton playing the role. I especially would have loved to see Dalton's reaction to the "ressurection" of Alec Trevelyan and his betrayal. The confrontations between Trevelyan and Dalton's Bond would have been awesome.

GoldenEye is the one film from the Brosnan era which seems like it would have better suited Dalton.

[DaveBond21]

The beginning and certain scenes in Goldeneye make me think of TLD. And the fact that the PTS is arguably set in 1986 also gives it that feel.

However, I really like Brosnan in it.

And believe it or not, it was a huge smash, and everyone loved Brosnan at the time, and he "saved the series" as far as the press were concerned. It's amazing. Back then I would never have believed that Bond fans would not like him.

[Agent 0015]

I would enjoyed Goldeneye more if Dalton was in it. But I thought Brosnan did a great job, too.

[Royal Dalton]

And believe it or not, it was a huge smash, and everyone loved Brosnan at the time

Not everyone. Kim Newman, in his review of GoldenEye for Empire magazine, said Brosnan's performance was "stolid."

[RogueSpy007]

While I think it was one of the best Bond films that Brosnan did, I would have loved to have seen Dalton as Bond in this one. It seems so right for Dalton. I wish he would have taken over for Moore in his couple of rounds as Bond as well.

[HawkEye007]

If Dalton had been in GE it definitely would have been a different film. I do however think that he may have been getting a little old for it at that time. Maybe if he would have done GE a few years after LTK, then Brosnan came in after that things may have worked out better.

[Stephen Spotswood]

GE seemed designed for Dalton's brooding interpretation and as Alec Trevelyan I could see either:

http://blogs.nypost....otos/clive2.jpg

or

http://www.nndb.com/...3694/tcurry.jpg

[RazorBlade]

While I think it was one of the best Bond films that Brosnan did, I would have loved to have seen Dalton as Bond in this one. It seems so right for Dalton. I wish he would have taken over for Moore in his couple of rounds as Bond as well.

That's what I said. I wonder what TD thinks of his fans wanting more TD as bond?

[plankattack]

GE seemed designed for Dalton's brooding interpretation and as Alec Trevelyan I could see either:

http://blogs.nypost....otos/clive2.jpg

or

http://www.nndb.com/...3694/tcurry.jpg

Either Michael France or Jeffrey Caine were quoted as saying that their very first treatment of GE was submitted to Cubby in the early 90s when TD was still the incumbent and it was he that they had in mind when they structured the story. Fierstein came on board later when there was clearly going to be a new actor. Thus his quotes about hearing SC's voice when he did rewrites, rather than on TND when he knew he was writing for Brozza.

[Mr Teddy Bear]

I know you get nowhere pining over what could have been, but if I could change one thing about the Bond series, it would be to have Dalton return for a third film. A portion of GoldenEye was trying to find a place for Bond in a modern, post cold war world. It would've meant so much more with a Bond we had seen during that period. I can't watch it without wondering how much more I would've enjoyed it with Dalton. Unfortunately it has tainted my enjoyment of GoldenEye somewhat.

Edited by Mr Teddy Bear, 10 September 2007 - 10:18 AM.