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[blueman]

I can go either way. What I don't want is for Bond 22 to all but ignore what has come directly before it, ala DAF. As we have Craig returning, I don't really have that fear, so no worries.

Also, I doubt Gettler appears in Bond 22 as he was last seen with a big ol' nail sticking out of his eye, and presumably dead.

[sorking]

So far as I'm aware, the only reports of an already-filmed PTS for Bond 22 have come from hopeful fan speculation. No such leak from Eon - unless someone knows different.

Not saying it's a bad idea...just optimistic.

Talk of 'standing alone' doesn't worry me at all. It's just the kind of press-conference waffle one lets out so as not to frighten people. I'm sure we could even find a similar quote for Return of the King. "Oh, no, you don't need to have seen the first two." :-)

There's no way they leave The Organisation behind...

Edited by sorking, 20 July 2007 - 02:31 PM.

[byline]

My money's on GETTLER being VESPER's boyfriend...

Ewww, hard for me to picture her falling in love with him. Besides, wouldn't he have noticed that she wasn't wearing his necklace? Then again, maybe that was the point of her not wearing it. The imagination runs wild!

But, if Vesper's boyfriend is supposed to make an appearance in Bond 22, then it's hard for me to believe that it would be Gettler. As someone else pointed out, he had an eye appendage near the end of the Venice scene that one presumes would have left him just as dead as Le Chiffre.

Edited by byline, 19 July 2007 - 11:44 PM.

[dodge]

But, just out of curiosity: if the movie were to begin with a slam-bang gun fight on Whites' estate--brilliantly done and followed by a hair-raising escape, the likes of which we've never seen...would you feel disappointed?

In a way. I want to be surprised by the opening of BOND 22.... although I guess it'll all be leaked months in advance, whatever it turns out to be. If it were indeed "brilliantly done and followed by a hair-raising escape, the likes of which we've never seen", then of course I'd enjoy it, but in some ways.... ah, I don't know. I want BOND 22 to stand apart from CASINO ROYALE more than many other fans do. There's no logical reason for this, I guess, since I absolutely love CR, but I don't want it to be like KILL BILL VOL. 1 and VOL. 2. I suppose I want the Craig films to ultimately be things you can watch alongside the earlier Bond outings, and not some kind of LOTR trilogy-type thing that's too jarring if you want to double bill, say, BOND 23 with THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN, or TOMORROW NEVER DIES, or whatever.

I want BOND 22 to be as much of a stand-alone as possible, not as much of a CR sequel as possible. Not that that would necessarily make for a better film, but it's just my gut feeling. So, yes, I suppose I would be disappointed by the PTS you've just described, if only because I don't think Eon should be in the business of pandering to fan expectation. I mean, it's the obvious way to expect BOND 22 to begin if you believe it's going to be an immediate continuation of CR, so for them to actually do it that way.... I dunno. I'd like them to surprise us with an "all-new" PTS - well, insofar as anything these days can possibly be a surprise, what with the internet and its leaks.

I understand where you're coming from now. And I've learned my lesson, after a year-long addiction to every CR leak and clip, to try to avoid spoilers this time. We'll hope for the best and see what they serve up. My confidence in Haggis is close to absolute.

[DaveBond21]

Maybe it's just me, but I can't think of anything worse than for BOND 22 to begin right where CASINO ROYALE left off, HALLOWEEN II-style, with a gun battle at Mr White's villa. There is no need for BOND 22 to be any more of a "direct" continuation than FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE is from DR. NO. I hope we get an "all-new" PTS with some cool stunts, and then an "independent" adventure (albeit featuring the same mysterious organisation from CR, but even then it might be refreshing if Bond never gets to the bottom of what White and co. were really up to and who's behind them).

Well said.

And as dinovelvet said, the scene at the end of CR with Mr White ends perfectly. I would hate to see what happens next. In movies, we don't always see what actually happens to people after they leave the screen. Often it isn't the point of the movie to tie up loose ends.

[sorking]

Maybe it's just me, but I can't think of anything worse than for BOND 22 to begin right where CASINO ROYALE left off, HALLOWEEN II-style, with a gun battle at Mr White's villa. There is no need for BOND 22 to be any more of a "direct" continuation than FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE is from DR. NO. I hope we get an "all-new" PTS with some cool stunts, and then an "independent" adventure (albeit featuring the same mysterious organisation from CR, but even then it might be refreshing if Bond never gets to the bottom of what White and co. were really up to and who's behind them).

Well said.

And as dinovelvet said, the scene at the end of CR with Mr White ends perfectly. I would hate to see what happens next. In movies, we don't always see what actually happens to people after they leave the screen. Often it isn't the point of the movie to tie up loose ends.

EXT. WHITE'S MANSION. DAY.

Mr White looks up. Bond towers over him, gun in hand. He pockets his mobile phone and simply states:

BOND: The name's Bond. James Bond.

WHITE: So, Mr Bond, we meet at last. I must say I had expected you much sooner...

White presses a button on his watch.

Out of nowhere TWO DOZEN ARMED MEN pour out of the house, the woods and the surrounding lake.

Bond ducks as bullets whizz past. White rolls away to safety as Bond returns fire, fleeing inside the house - where the interior decor will shortly resemble Swiss cheese...


Yeah, it pretty much makes me want to kill myself, too.

Edited by sorking, 26 July 2007 - 12:23 PM.

[Mr_Wint]

Maybe it's just me, but I can't think of anything worse than for BOND 22 to begin right where CASINO ROYALE left off, HALLOWEEN II-style, with a gun battle at Mr White's villa. There is no need for BOND 22 to be any more of a "direct" continuation than FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE is from DR. NO. I hope we get an "all-new" PTS with some cool stunts, and then an "independent" adventure (albeit featuring the same mysterious organisation from CR, but even then it might be refreshing if Bond never gets to the bottom of what White and co. were really up to and who's behind them).

Well said.

And as dinovelvet said, the scene at the end of CR with Mr White ends perfectly. I would hate to see what happens next. In movies, we don't always see what actually happens to people after they leave the screen. Often it isn't the point of the movie to tie up loose ends.

EXT. WHITE'S MANSION. DAY.

Mr White looks up. Bond towers over him, gun in hand. He pockets his mobile phone and simply states:

BOND: The name's Bond. James Bond.

WHITE: So, Mr Bond, we meet at last. I must say I had expected you much sooner...

White presses a button on his watch.

Out of nowhere TWO DOZEN ARMED MEN pour out of the house, the woods and the surrounding lake.

Bond ducks as bullets whizz past. White rolls away to safety as Bond returns fire, fleeing inside the house - where the interior decor will shortly resemble Swiss cheese...


Yeah, it pretty much makes me want to kill myself, too.

Mr White is dead. Finished. Eleminated.

[JimmyBond]

Maybe it's just me, but I can't think of anything worse than for BOND 22 to begin right where CASINO ROYALE left off, HALLOWEEN II-style, with a gun battle at Mr White's villa. There is no need for BOND 22 to be any more of a "direct" continuation than FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE is from DR. NO. I hope we get an "all-new" PTS with some cool stunts, and then an "independent" adventure (albeit featuring the same mysterious organisation from CR, but even then it might be refreshing if Bond never gets to the bottom of what White and co. were really up to and who's behind them).

Well said.

And as dinovelvet said, the scene at the end of CR with Mr White ends perfectly. I would hate to see what happens next. In movies, we don't always see what actually happens to people after they leave the screen. Often it isn't the point of the movie to tie up loose ends.

EXT. WHITE'S MANSION. DAY.

Mr White looks up. Bond towers over him, gun in hand. He pockets his mobile phone and simply states:

BOND: The name's Bond. James Bond.

WHITE: So, Mr Bond, we meet at last. I must say I had expected you much sooner...

White presses a button on his watch.

Out of nowhere TWO DOZEN ARMED MEN pour out of the house, the woods and the surrounding lake.

Bond ducks as bullets whizz past. White rolls away to safety as Bond returns fire, fleeing inside the house - where the interior decor will shortly resemble Swiss cheese...


Yeah, it pretty much makes me want to kill myself, too.

Sounds too much like a 90's Bond film action sequence. I hoped we've left the random henchman carrying machine guns behind with the Brosnan era.

[tdalton]

Sounds too much like a 90's Bond film action sequence. I hoped we've left the random henchman carrying machine guns behind with the Brosnan era.

I hope that we've left the random henchmen behind as well. Not that it doesn't have its place in the franchise, but it's been very much overdone in recent films, and it was nice to see that change of pace in Casino Royale.

[sorking]

Maybe it's just me, but I can't think of anything worse than for BOND 22 to begin right where CASINO ROYALE left off, HALLOWEEN II-style, with a gun battle at Mr White's villa. There is no need for BOND 22 to be any more of a "direct" continuation than FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE is from DR. NO. I hope we get an "all-new" PTS with some cool stunts, and then an "independent" adventure (albeit featuring the same mysterious organisation from CR, but even then it might be refreshing if Bond never gets to the bottom of what White and co. were really up to and who's behind them).

Well said.

And as dinovelvet said, the scene at the end of CR with Mr White ends perfectly. I would hate to see what happens next. In movies, we don't always see what actually happens to people after they leave the screen. Often it isn't the point of the movie to tie up loose ends.

EXT. WHITE'S MANSION. DAY.

Mr White looks up. Bond towers over him, gun in hand. He pockets his mobile phone and simply states:

BOND: The name's Bond. James Bond.

WHITE: So, Mr Bond, we meet at last. I must say I had expected you much sooner...

White presses a button on his watch.

Out of nowhere TWO DOZEN ARMED MEN pour out of the house, the woods and the surrounding lake.

Bond ducks as bullets whizz past. White rolls away to safety as Bond returns fire, fleeing inside the house - where the interior decor will shortly resemble Swiss cheese...


Yeah, it pretty much makes me want to kill myself, too.

Sounds too much like a 90's Bond film action sequence. I hoped we've left the random henchman carrying machine guns behind with the Brosnan era.

I'm starting to worry that people thought this scene was intended seriously!

[JimmyBond]

I don't think anyone believes that We're just commenting on the scene itself.

[blueman]

Can Fergie also appear with the two dozen armed men and do a cute little production number?

[Agent 76]

I don't think the characters of Moneypenny and Q should be kept away from the movies, because they are part of the franchise's history. the writers can, I believe, come up with a background for both, and include them where they would make sense in the story.

[WC]

Well FRWL was a continuation from Dr No and made references to that film. It even had Sylvia Trench in it still. However FRWL was able to stand on its own as a film. Perhaps Bond 22 will be like that in relation to CR.

[DLibrasnow]

Is this something to worry about? Is the script by Purvis and Wade THAT bad, that it needs six months work on it, even for someone of Haggis` calibre?

Purvis and Wade gave us Die Another Day...why is it so hard to beliueve that the script is "that bad."

They got a lot of help on Casino Royale from Haggis and in particular Ian Fleming.

[JimmyBond]

Is this something to worry about? Is the script by Purvis and Wade THAT bad, that it needs six months work on it, even for someone of Haggis` calibre?

Purvis and Wade gave us Die Another Day...why is it so hard to beliueve that the script is "that bad."

If there was a standing ovation smiley I'd be using it right now