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What if Casino Royale starred Roger Moore?


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#1 dinovelvet

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 11:16 PM

Just for laffs, suppose CASINO ROYALE (2006) was made in, say, 1980, and starred Roger Moore as Bond, at the height of the Camp Bond era. How would it differ from the ultra-gritty 2006 Daniel Craig version? Some suggestions :

-For some inexplicable reason, Bond would be wearing a tuxedo in Madagascar, and the entire parkour/embassy chase would have Bond in his tux throughout.

-Q would be the 'technician' giving Bond the arm implant, complete with quips, e.g. Q will tell Bond he'll feel a little prick. Cue the Rog 'raised eyebrow reaction shot'

-J.W. Pepper would be the fat guy telling Bond to park his car in the Bahamas (he doesn't recognize Bond who is turning away from him, but later meets him in the bar and joins the poker game. JW loses a lot of money to Demetrios).

-The 'shocked man who looks at his booze bottle in disbelief' would make his traditional appearance in Venice (again!) reacting to the collapsing palazzo.

Any Moore?

#2 plankattack

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 11:20 PM

The Bodyworks exhibition is crying out for Rog. "Keep your hair on."

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 11:23 PM

The Bodyworks exhibition is crying out for Rog. "Keep your hair on."


Ah, no, I've got it - When Bond sits Demetrios' body in a chair and then leaves, two old ladies walk up to Demetrios and one of them remarks "Ooh, this one looks very realistic!"

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 12:24 AM

Campy or not, at least we would've gotten a handsome actor playing Bond in CR.

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 01:09 AM

Just for laffs, suppose CASINO ROYALE (2006) was made in, say, 1980, and starred Roger Moore as Bond, at the height of the Camp Bond era. How would it differ from the ultra-gritty 2006 Daniel Craig version? Some suggestions :

-For some inexplicable reason, Bond would be wearing a tuxedo in Madagascar, and the entire parkour/embassy chase would have Bond in his tux throughout.

-Q would be the 'technician' giving Bond the arm implant, complete with quips, e.g. Q will tell Bond he'll feel a little prick. Cue the Rog 'raised eyebrow reaction shot'

-J.W. Pepper would be the fat guy telling Bond to park his car in the Bahamas (he doesn't recognize Bond who is turning away from him, but later meets him in the bar and joins the poker game. JW loses a lot of money to Demetrios).

-The 'shocked man who looks at his booze bottle in disbelief' would make his traditional appearance in Venice (again!) reacting to the collapsing palazzo.

Any Moore?


Considering that Moore made one of the grittiest Bond films in 1980, wouldn't this suggestion seem irrevelant?

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 01:15 AM

Considering that Moore made one of the grittiest Bond films in 1980, wouldn't this suggestion seem irrevelant?


I guess you're talking about For Your Eyes Only, which was '81. It is gritty by Roger's standards, but then again this is a movie which features Bond getting vital information from a parrot, a comedy ending with a Margaret Thatcher impersonator talking to this same parrot, and Bond being hilariously seduced by an underage(?) girl.

CASINO ROYALE it ain't.

So, the question is relevant, IMHO.

Campy or not, at least we would've gotten a handsome actor playing Bond in CR.


Yep, nobody does it better than Rog...except his plastic surgeon :cooltongue:

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 01:18 AM

Considering that Moore made one of the grittiest Bond films in 1980, wouldn't this suggestion seem irrevelant?


I guess you're talking about For Your Eyes Only, which was '81. It is gritty by Roger's standards, but then again this is a movie which features Bond getting vital information from a parrot, a comedy ending with a Margaret Thatcher impersonator talking to this same parrot, and Bond being hilariously seduced by an underage(?) girl.

CASINO ROYALE it ain't.

So, the question is relevant, IMHO.

Campy or not, at least we would've gotten a handsome actor playing Bond in CR.


Yep, nobody does it better than Rog...except his plastic surgeon :cooltongue:


Regardless of the parrot or the Margaret Thatcher impersonation, as far as I'm concerned, FYEO was in CASINO ROYALE's class.


Bond being hilariously seduced by an underage(?) girl.


As I recalled, this never happened, especially since said girl failed to seduce Bond.

Edited by LadySylvia, 18 April 2007 - 01:19 AM.


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Posted 18 April 2007 - 01:24 AM

and Bond being hilariously seduced by an underage(?) girl.


You must have seen a different movie than me because in the For Your Eyes Only I saw Bond rejected Bibi's advances.

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 01:40 AM

and Bond being hilariously seduced by an underage(?) girl.


You must have seen a different movie than me because in the For Your Eyes Only I saw Bond rejected Bibi's advances.


You mean to say "I'll buy you an ice cream" was not a euphemism?

Its odd, I thought Rog fans would be open to a little fun here and there. Ah well.

Regardless of the parrot or the Margaret Thatcher impersonation, as far as I'm concerned, FYEO was in CASINO ROYALE's class.


That's fine. But for me, "parrot" and "gritty" just don't go together, and its that odd mixture of campiness and ultra-seriousness that turns me off FYEO for the most part.

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 01:42 AM

Considering that Moore made one of the grittiest Bond films in 1980, wouldn't this suggestion seem irrevelant?


I guess you're talking about For Your Eyes Only, which was '81. It is gritty by Roger's standards, but then again this is a movie which features Bond getting vital information from a parrot, a comedy ending with a Margaret Thatcher impersonator talking to this same parrot, and Bond being hilariously seduced by an underage(?) girl.

CASINO ROYALE it ain't.


Agreed. FYEO definitely ain't CR. Back on topic:

What about Jaws and Dolly replacing Dimitrios and Solange? When the blond receptionist at the Ocean Club meets Bond she could ask if he sees "anything he likes". Vesper Lynd could have been a graduate from the Mary Goodnight wing of MI6. And Bond never would have bled or gotten sweaty during the battle with the Ugandan terrorists on the stairwell.

Ultimately, I think a Roger Moore CR would have more closely resembled the 1967 spoof version than the 2006 one.

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 03:53 AM

When Carter falls into the pit, the mongoose does a double take.

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 04:01 AM

Yep, nobody does it better than Rog...except his plastic surgeon :cooltongue:

Something Craig is in sore need of.

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 04:13 AM

Agreed. FYEO definitely ain't CR. Back on topic:

What about Jaws and Dolly replacing Dimitrios and Solange? When the blond receptionist at the Ocean Club meets Bond she could ask if he sees "anything he likes". Vesper Lynd could have been a graduate from the Mary Goodnight wing of MI6. And Bond never would have bled or gotten sweaty during the battle with the Ugandan terrorists on the stairwell.

Ultimately, I think a Roger Moore CR would have more closely resembled the 1967 spoof version than the 2006 one.


Ah yes, the flirtatious hotel employee, a staple of the Rog era! I'm sure that conversation with Rog checking into the Ocean Club would have had a pun or two. I don't know if Jaws could have replaced Dimitrios, maybe he could have been working for Le Chiffre in some other capacity. Or he could replace Mathis as Bond's ally :cooltongue:

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 04:13 AM

who knows if roger had given a performance like TMWGG, perhaps it would have been a great movie. i mean roger in the saint was a perfect mixture of suaveness and toughness. perhaps CR would have been perfect

Edited by red_grant, 20 April 2007 - 11:13 AM.


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Posted 18 April 2007 - 04:16 AM

who know with roger giving a performance like TMWGG, perhaps it would have been a great movie.


Possibly. TMWTGG does feature my favorite Moore-as-Bond performance. An underrated performance from an underrated Bond actor in an underrated film.

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 04:16 AM

The stairwell fight would of ended with Bond's kick over the rail move, followed by a pun.

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 04:16 AM

Yep, nobody does it better than Rog...except his plastic surgeon :cooltongue:

Something Craig is in sore need of.


Oh dear, I'm afraid this post only rates a 3 out of 10 on the Craigometer, as no mention was made of his hair colour. Where are the quality Craig-bashers these days?

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 06:16 AM

On the train there would have been a fight with a killer who was intruding on Bond's dinner with Vesper (served in the private compartment of course!). Followed would have a quip by Bond about people who bite off more than they can chew from their vesper.

When Bond chases LeChiffre there would have been a Bell Jet Ranger equipped with machine guns and an exceptionally sexy and lascivious female pilot (the receptionist?) gunning away at the Aston. Bond would have disposed of the attacker with a laser beam after which he would have made an exit from his car via ejection seat.


By the way: I still enjoyed FYEO tremendously. Perhaps in a different 1981 CR that style would have turned out quite well.

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 06:35 AM

Yep, nobody does it better than Rog...except his plastic surgeon wink.gif


Something Craig is in sore need of.


It's funny how this thing is so subjective. All I know is the amount of woman that have said to me how sexy Craig is, is unbelievable. Anyway aren

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 07:54 AM

Yep, nobody does it better than Rog...except his plastic surgeon :angry:

Something Craig is in sore need of.

Oh pleeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaase... Shedloads of 'sexiest man in the world' polls would beg to disagree with you and, while Rog had, in theory, the 'tradtional' good looks, he could hardly be called sexy. Although I wouldn't say no to him :cooltongue:(but that's down to his personality, most certainly not his looks).

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 08:54 AM

Yep, nobody does it better than Rog...except his plastic surgeon :angry:

Something Craig is in sore need of.

Oh pleeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaase... Shedloads of 'sexiest man in the world' polls would beg to disagree with you and, while Rog had, in theory, the 'tradtional' good looks, he could hardly be called sexy. Although I wouldn't say no to him :cooltongue:(but that's down to his personality, most certainly not his looks).


Totally off topic - and to be deliberatley a tad incendiary :lol: - but would Craig have won any of those polls if he hadn't been James Bond? I think not.

Though I do agree that the same would probably said about all the Bond's, though possibly to a lesser degree.

But then Bond and the actor always seem to become one. After all, some people have the deluded opinion Sean Connery is an icon, when clearly it is James Bond.

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 09:01 AM

Yep, nobody does it better than Rog...except his plastic surgeon :angry:

Something Craig is in sore need of.

Oh pleeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaase... Shedloads of 'sexiest man in the world' polls would beg to disagree with you and, while Rog had, in theory, the 'tradtional' good looks, he could hardly be called sexy. Although I wouldn't say no to him :cooltongue:(but that's down to his personality, most certainly not his looks).


Totally off topic - and to be deliberatley a tad incendiary :lol: - but would Craig have won any of those polls if he hadn't been James Bond? I think not.

Though I do agree that the same would probably said about all the Bond's, though possibly to a lesser degree.

But then Bond and the actor always seem to become one. After all, some people have the deluded opinion Sean Connery is an icon, when clearly it is James Bond.

Yep, that may well be the reason behind it but it doesn't change the fact. As it happens, I think there is a bit more to it than that. I think the fashion at the moment in general is moving away from the 'pretty-boy' and towards something more masculine, which Craig fits all the way. He's lucky to be in the right place at the right time, same as Connery.

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 09:25 AM

Yep, that may well be the reason behind it but it doesn't change the fact. As it happens, I think there is a bit more to it than that. I think the fashion at the moment in general is moving away from the 'pretty-boy' and towards something more masculine, which Craig fits all the way. He's lucky to be in the right place at the right time, same as Connery.


Yea, I've noticed a disturbing trend over the last couple of years of the studios forcing wimpy, soy drinking, poetry reading, sensitive milquetoasts like Orlando Bloom, Hayden Christensen, and Jake Googlehell or whatever his name is upon us.
Now along come Daniel Craig in Casino Royale, and Gerard Butler in 300. Quite a turnaround, eh?

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 09:30 AM

Yep, nobody does it better than Rog...except his plastic surgeon :lol:

Something Craig is in sore need of.

Oh pleeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaase... Shedloads of 'sexiest man in the world' polls would beg to disagree with you and, while Rog had, in theory, the 'tradtional' good looks, he could hardly be called sexy. Although I wouldn't say no to him :angry:(but that's down to his personality, most certainly not his looks).


Totally off topic - and to be deliberatley a tad incendiary :D - but would Craig have won any of those polls if he hadn't been James Bond? I think not.

Though I do agree that the same would probably said about all the Bond's, though possibly to a lesser degree.

But then Bond and the actor always seem to become one. After all, some people have the deluded opinion Sean Connery is an icon, when clearly it is James Bond.

Yep, that may well be the reason behind it but it doesn't change the fact. As it happens, I think there is a bit more to it than that. I think the fashion at the moment in general is moving away from the 'pretty-boy' and towards something more masculine, which Craig fits all the way. He's lucky to be in the right place at the right time, same as Connery.


What you say is undeniably true - being in the right place at the right time, i.e being James Bond.

I still don't think Craig would have been beating, say, Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise - metrosexual both - had it not been for Bond. :cooltongue:

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 09:47 AM

Oh God, he beats the hell out of Tom Cruise at any time ! :cooltongue:

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 10:23 AM

Yea, I've noticed a disturbing trend over the last couple of years of the studios forcing wimpy, soy drinking, poetry reading, sensitive milquetoasts like Orlando Bloom, Hayden Christensen, and Jake Googlehell or whatever his name is upon us.
Now along come Daniel Craig in Casino Royale, and Gerard Butler in 300. Quite a turnaround, eh?


Yes and a welcome turnaround at that. Spartans, prepare for glory! I wouldn't be very good at my job if I didn't.

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 11:45 AM

I thought craig was great in CR, but if Roger did it, it would have been even better. He was the best after all.

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 11:52 AM

Campy or not, at least we would've gotten a handsome actor playing Bond in CR.


Yeah, but Moore was also in his early 50s in 1980, so might there be the teensiest case for saying that the 30-something Craig was more suitable for a relatively faithful and serious adaptation of CASINO ROYALE?

Anyway, back to the topic of this thread (which is "What if CASINO ROYALE starred Roger Moore?", not "Is Daniel Craig handsome enough for Bond?"), I posted the following here on CBn a while back:

ROGER MOORE IS IAN FELLMING'S JAMES BOND 007 IN "CASINO ROYALE"

THE TORTURE SCENE

Le Chiffre thwacks Moore's Bond.

MOORE'S BOND (as though delivering a line like "I heard the price of eggs was going up...."): Calm down, Le Chiffre. Looks like you're at the end of your rope.

Le Chiffre hits him again. Despite his best efforts to remain in control of the situation, Moore's Bond is starting to feel the pain.

MOORE'S BOND (with all the emotion of his "Quite revealing" quip to Kananga): I can see your nuts, Le Chiffre - don't say it. Anyway, I won't tell you anything.

Le Chiffre whacks Moore's Bond a couple more times. Our hero is now in an agony that even a man of superhuman levels of endurance couldn't hide.

MOORE'S BOND (raising an eyebrow sloooowly): I think I've figured out why this chair is so uncomfortable. The seat has been ripped away. Am I correct?

LE CHIFFRE: This is going nowhere. I'll feed you what you appear not to value.

MOORE'S BOND (smirking): Well, I had dinner, but, if you don't mind, I'd sooner skip the dessert.

A man comes in and shoots Le Chiffre dead. Moore's Bond flashes him an oily smile.

MOORE'S BOND: A disgruntled underling? Perhaps Mr Le Chiffre, obsessed though he is with his money, is somewhat less than generous when it comes to paying his staff. Ah, well. Now be a good chap and untie me, and----

Overcome with agony, Moore's Bond suddenly faints.

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 12:03 PM

-For some inexplicable reason, Bond would be wearing a tuxedo in Madagascar, and the entire parkour/embassy chase would have Bond in his tux throughout.

-Q would be the 'technician' giving Bond the arm implant, complete with quips, e.g. Q will tell Bond he'll feel a little prick. Cue the Rog 'raised eyebrow reaction shot'

-J.W. Pepper would be the fat guy telling Bond to park his car in the Bahamas (he doesn't recognize Bond who is turning away from him, but later meets him in the bar and joins the poker game. JW loses a lot of money to Demetrios).

-The 'shocked man who looks at his booze bottle in disbelief' would make his traditional appearance in Venice (again!) reacting to the collapsing palazzo.

Any Moore?


- The receptionist Bond questions about Dimitrios wouldn't have been able to tell him anything because she'd have fainted with desire as soon as she saw Moore's Bond.

- Moore's Bond would have slept with all the attractive women in the film, including Solange, and would have even mopped up the two hotties who give him the eye in the Bahamas.

- The fight on the crane/parkour chase would have been filled with shots of a red-headed stuntman young enough to be Moore's Bond's son.

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 02:14 PM

- Le Chiffre's henchmen taking Bond to be tortured would have gone to the trouble of dressing like EMTs and taking Bond and Vesper away in an ambulance. But the chase would have been much longer, as Rog could have driven the Aston after the crash.

- Rog would have shot Gettler in the arm, making him drop his gun, and would have punched him out. That punch would have inexplicably kept him out of commission until the scene was over.

- Rog would definitely have been wearing the tux in the bathroom fight as well. Definitely.