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[Kamikaze]

I know some people here disagree but I really missed Moneypenny and Q. Some of us freaked when Daniel Craig was cast, but most have welcomed him. And while Samantha Bond and Desmond Llewelyn will be very much missed, I believe in Barbara Broccoli and Michael Wilson's ability to chose a suitable replacement for each.

I would also like to see as much M as in Casino Royale. Judy Dench is amazing!

Congratulations on an amazing inauguration for Mr Craig!

[DamnCoffee]

I want Penny to replace Villiers when he his assasinated
I also want Q to be introduced but only in a minor role
and i want Dench as M again.

[Kamikaze]

Villiers was not bad, but he seemed out of his league when talking to James. I had the feeling that he was new to the post of M's first assistant.

[Craig is 007]

I really liked Villiers in Casino Royale, and I want to see him back in Bond 22 and 23.

[Loomis]

Craig dyeing his hair dark for a mission and keeping it that way.

Q, played by Mackenzie Crook.

The death of Dench's M, who may or may not also turn out to be a villain.

The unmasking of Villiers as a bad guy and the clearing of the good name of Rene Mathis.

Leiter in a larger role.

Some interesting non-European locations, preferably some new places, e.g. Australia, China, Israel....

Less action than in CASINO ROYALE.

A much shorter running time (say 90 minutes, just for a change).

No use of Panavision, Super 35 or another "widescreen" format, shooting "flat" for the first time since THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN.

Bond speaking a foreign language, and speaking it well. Let's hear him come out with a few sentences for once, not just "Bonsoir, Pierre,

[A Kristatos]

Craig dyeing his hair dark for a mission and keeping it that way.

Q, played by Mackenzie Crook.

The death of Dench's M, who may or may not also turn out to be a villain.

The unmasking of Villiers as a bad guy and the clearing of the good name of Rene Mathis.

Leiter in a larger role.

Some interesting non-European locations, preferably some new places, e.g. Australia, China, Israel....

Less action than in CASINO ROYALE.

A much shorter running time (say 90 minutes, just for a change).

No use of Panavision, Super 35 or another "widescreen" format, shooting "flat" for the first time since THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN.

Moneypenny introduced right as the end of the film as a sort of amusing cliffhanger for BOND 23. Our hero is chatting up a woman at a party. BOND: My name's Bond, James Bond. WOMAN: Mine's Moneypenny---- (We're prevented from hearing her first name as we cut to the crash of The James Bond Theme and the end credits over a black background.)

I especially like your ideas of less action and a shorter running time. As little action (albeit far more realistic) as CR contained, even less would not be a bad thing. A suspenseful and well written storyline is just as, if not more exciting than seeing another person jump on top of a fast moving truck anyday!

Edited by A Kristatos, 24 March 2007 - 06:08 PM.

[HildebrandRarity]

A shorter (i.e. more normal for Bond) running time, but not 90 mins. Say about 2h 5m ~ish.

Bond bedding a sexy young woman for the pure pleasure of it because in CR Bond really does not have sex outside the context of his solitary, legitimate relationship. This, as has been noted in the press, makes Craig's Bond the least sexually charged Bond of the 6.

Slightly more diabolical villian but not on the scale of Blofeld, Stromberg/Drax or 006/Gustav Graves.

Either the introduction of a quartermaster or Miss Monnypenny...but not both.

The James Bond Theme used twice in some capacity and less subtlely (Dinner Jackets being subtlely).

Continuing with Dench and Jeffrey Wright but not overwhelmingly (eg TWINE) so.

An element of either genuine romance or heightened sensuality/eroticism/sexuality with the Bond Girl.

More of the same from Arnold and Kleinmann.

[Peaceful]

The return of Moneypenny

France as a location

A bigger part for Jeffrey Wright as Felix

The main villian NOT being Vesper's ex (sorry I think that storyline is a naff cliche, why would he be the villian when he was the one that was kidnapped)

Bond being given his mission in M's office like in the good ol' days (not since GoldenEye I believe)*

No more 12 year old stick figures as the leading love interest for 15 year old boys to fantasise over, bring back real women !!! Sorry Eva x

Somewhere in Central America like Costa Rica as a location








* the scene in TWINE doesn't count, he was given his mission in Scotland

[DamnCoffee]

(sorry I think that storyline is a naff cliche, why would he be the villian when he was the one that was kidnapped)

Erm.... Why would Electra King be the villian if she was kidnapped

[Santa]

More Felix.
A briefing in M's office.
Meaningless but enjoyable sex.

[TheREAL008]

Actually, I want to see Bond NOT get the girl as in Gala Brand in Moonraker.

[Casino Royale 007]

Gunbarrel, Gunbarrel, Gunbarrel. I liked how they showed the origin of it in CR, but couldn't they have had the dots skip across, while the opening of the classic theme from DR NO played (not the all-out DAH-da- -da-DAH part but when it starts out kind of quiet and builds up), and then no actual walk-across, just a fade out to the Prague scene. Anyhow, back to the classic for the next one, please!

MORE BOND THEME. I figure since it was the 'first mission' and Bond kind of 'earned it' at the end, it was ok to not play it as much.

Also, maybe a sampling of the 007 THEME while we're at it.

BOND GIRLS NOT EQUAL TO BOND. 'nuff said.

FUN BOND GIRL NAMES.

MORE GUNPLAY!! that's what put films like GoldenEye, The Living Daylights, and You Only Live Twice in my top Ten.

Girls in the title, even tho' that didn't bug me for CR (i didn't notice it in the theaters)

What would be cool would be sn INSTRUMENTAL title theme.

Edited by Casino Royale 007, 24 March 2007 - 11:23 PM.

[Qwerty]

Welcome to the CBn Forums, Casino Royale 007.

[RazorBlade]

Interesting that some of us want less action in Bond 22. I just thinking about that the other day- that the action sequences go on and on. I like the action and don't mind it but we are putting the story on hold while we free run or beat guys down in the bathroom or whatever. It's like a song and dance number in a musical in principal. There was plenty of screen violence in CR's companion film OHMSS, but it was more natural while just as enjoyable to watch.

If there's to be anymore free running it had better be through a women's dorm in college somewhere in Germany.

Edited by RazorBlade, 25 March 2007 - 12:09 AM.

[A Kristatos]

More Felix.
A briefing in M's office.
Meaningless but enjoyable sex.

As Q suggests in NSNA, I'd like to see more gratuitous sex and violence!

[A Kristatos]

Interesting that some of us want less action in Bond 22. I just thinking about that the other day- that the action sequences go on and on. I like the action and don't mind it but we are putting the story on hold while we free run or beat guys down in the bathroom or whatever. It's like a song and dance number in a musical in principal. There was plenty of screen violence in CR's companion film OHMSS, but it was more natural while just as enjoyable to watch.

If there's to be anymore free running it had better be through a women's dorm in college somewhere in Germany.

I really liked the free running sequence since it was something very different, and that the producers had the audacity to keep it going for as long as they did! Not only that, they kept it intriguing, unlike other long chase sequences like the TWINE PTS or ski chase, for instance. But yes, violence in a way that is integral to the story is much more desireable than violence or a chase just for the sake of it.

[A Kristatos]

I'd like to see the return of a classic gunbarrel. In other words, a gunbarrel with a FRWL, GF or TB type rendition of the James Bond theme, without any techno or a speeding bullet!

I don't know about others, but I really didn't miss Q or Moneypenny in CR. But as someone already posted, maybe a brief introduction of one or both would suffice, but I wouldn't care either way.

More Bond theme, but not to the ridiculous extreme it was used in TWINE and DAD. All right, we know Arnold has the talent to arrange the theme in many creative ways, but come on! I'd like to hear the theme used maybe the same number of times as in CR, but played more profoundly and in full glory for obvious reasons.

A bigger part for Felix.

More exotic locations (Iceland doesn't count!), even if they are different ones.

More rousing and simplified action themes from Arnold. His romantic, and to a lesser extent his suspense themes are quite good, but his action themes are always way overdone, confusing and contain little melody. Simplify the action themes, add more melody, and he may have penned his best score yet (even though his CR score was very good in its own right).

[horsehead]

It's great to read some of these ideas, I like the idea of Mackenzie Crook as Q, but I'd really like a quarter master, who knows what he's giving Bond i.e. information weapons & ideas of what to do in certain positions. Villers to be assainated..can anyone say " out of his depth"? Regarding the action, I felt the action in CR was spot on, but in the next one if we have a realistic fight such like the one featured in 'Grosse Point Blank' where Bond 'looks' like he's learned how to fight & fight dirty as he has to, but keeping them short & sweet then I'll be happy. As long as it's all kept really realistic really

[Peaceful]

(sorry I think that storyline is a naff cliche, why would he be the villian when he was the one that was kidnapped)

Erm.... Why would Electra King be the villian if she was kidnapped

There you go you've made my point. It's even been done before !

[hillipdip1]

I'm a big fan of Menzies after Rome so I'd like Villiers role to be bigger in the next film e.g as a Mole or even a temp sidekick to Bond.

[Qwerty]

I'm a big fan of Menzies after Rome so I'd like Villiers role to be bigger in the next film e.g as a Mole or even a temp sidekick to Bond.

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[Colossus]

Go back to the non-PC roots and have one of the character's hallmarks return, having him smoke.

Oh and ease off the throat-shoving advertisements, it's been a mainstay of the series but not to the degree here, the one thing i despised about CR. Also less reliance on computers, that stuff doesn't age well.

Edited by Colossus, 31 March 2007 - 12:26 AM.

[Harmsway]

Things I want in BOND 22:

• Less action than CASINO ROYALE, instead relying on suspenseful sequences to hold this film together.
• No dinner jacket. We had an abundance of it in CASINO ROYALE. Just stick to snappy clothing throughout.
• The assassination of M, in a particularly shocking and violent manner.
• A very intense night-time boat chase, with the boats roaring at fast speeds and obstacles in the river/canal/whatever only become apparent when the boats are a few feet away.
• Minimal gunplay. Fistfights are more fun.
• Bond working his way through a pipeline of informants and figures (a dark version of the DAF PTS, if you will). Along with this, I want Bond to give someone a particularly nasty interrogation - perhaps Rene Mathis.
• More time for Rene Mathis. Rene Mathis will obviously be in MI6 custody, but have him clear his name. He'll assist Bond in locating the pipeline and finding the head of the organization, only to be killed later on in the film.
• A bigger part for Felix Leiter.
• A suspenseful tailing sequence. If you've seen MUNICH, you have an idea of what could be done with this.
• An intense sniper sequence somewhere (whether Bond is the sniper or is being the one sniped, I don't care).
• Bond giving Vesper's Algerian lover exactly what he deserves.
• Echoing Loomis' wish, Bond speaking a foreign language, and not just as a one-off line. Something more significant.
• Bond not ending up in the arms of a girl. Sure, a girl should be present in the storyline, and I'm not talking about having a Gala Brand ending (save that for BOND 23 or 24 or whatever). I just want the final scene of the film to be something other than the standard "Bond in girl's arms" ending that we've had 19-or-so times throughout the franchise.
• A tight two-hour running time.

[bill007]

OK. I want to see Bond go totally berserk on Vesper's boyfriend. I mean, completely lose it on his . C'mon, you know he's gonna get him. That's gonna be the whole point of B22, ain't it? Serious r-e-v-e-n-g-e!!!!

[00Twelve]

Things I'd realistically like to see in Bond 22... (Realistically meaning I know they're not doing LALD )

- Less action. More actionless suspense. I believe Harmsway and I will wind up agreeing on a lot.
- Cat & Mouse. One of the most suspenseful creations in storytelling. Preferably on foot.
- Surveillance. These sequences often add to suspense.
- No unrealistic gadgets.
- No need for a tux.
- I'd like to see Mathis become a Kerim Bey friend by the end. And I do NOT want to see him killed off.
- More of Bond's humanness. Less throwaway lines.
- More Felix, hopefully taking the place of dominant ally that Mathis had in CR.
- An historically good car chase. Completely without gadgets.
- Well developed characters.
- Well written script.

[bill007]

I agree with 99% of your ideas, 00Twelve. But, there's gotta be some action in there somewhere. Like going totally berserk on Vesper's boyfriend. This must be a release for Bond, in B22. Sure, he's going after the threat behind the threat, but let's see some pay-off here. Yes? Another "growing point" for 007, in my humble opinion.

[Santa]

Yep, bring on the actionless suspense, I'm with you all the way. I don't, though, want to see Bond going berserk on anyone. I quite like the idea of bringing in Vesper's boyfriend and maybe Bond offing him, but I want him absolutely ice-cold while doing it. That's the way I like Bond best.

[bill007]

Santa,

Even though we haven't really linked-up together much, I appreciate your posts, attitude, and calming verve in the most intense of discussions. You're aces.

But, "Ice Cold?" I don't feel Bond is there yet. He is still 'growing,' in my opinion. I want Bond to get his hands on the scum that turned Vesper, and ring his bloody neck. Literally. Twist it, and yank it off.

I think this will give Bond the confidence, and self-assurance, he will need for future missions. Not to mention the closing of a bad taste in his history.

But...it's only a thought. Isn't it?

(As I listen to the CR soundtrack, and think of bikinis on a foreign beach, somewhere. )

[OO4]

I've seen alot of ideas I like. However I haven't seen one that I've been thinking about since early discussion about Casino Royale.

South Africa as a location.

[Santa]

Santa,

Even though we haven't really linked-up together much, I appreciate your posts, attitude, and calming verve in the most intense of discussions. You're aces.

But, "Ice Cold?" I don't feel Bond is there yet. He is still 'growing,' in my opinion. I want Bond to get his hands on the scum that turned Vesper, and ring his bloody neck. Literally. Twist it, and yank it off.

I think this will give Bond the confidence, and self-assurance, he will need for future missions. Not to mention the closing of a bad taste in his history.

I absolutely see what you mean, Bill, but I still prefer him cold, it's just the way I like it, a very personal thing and I think Daniel can do cold very well. I like them that way in real life too