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[Loomis]

- Black hair. Can easily be explained by Bond dyeing it for a mission and subsequently keeping the look.

- Moneypenny.

- Q.

Anything else on anyone's wishlist for the next episode of BOND BEGINS?

[Turn]

I really don't care if Moneypenny or Q ever show up again.

I'd like to see Bond getting his mission in M's office at MI6 for once. The last time we saw that was in GE.

It would also kind of be fun to see him use the PPK instead of the P99. At least for a little while.

[Harmsway]

- Black hair. Can easily be explained by Bond dyeing it for a mission and subsequently keeping the look.

- Moneypenny.

I actually want none of the above. I'm especially adverse to point 1, because it's just so silly, and a pointless way of trying to just make a connection that doesn't need to be made. Bond is blonde now, and that's how it should stay (besides, black hair doesn't suit Craig one bit - see INFAMOUS for reference).

As for Moneypenny, I want her to come in BOND 23, whe a new M has stepped in, bringing with him a new secretary. For BOND 22, I think some nice Villiers/Bond stuff can be explored.

But as far as my checklist:

-Q. I'd love to see him. That's it, as far as "becoming Bond" elements go.

[TheREAL008]

Keep Bond's hair blond.

Introduce Moneypenny, but have the role short in the film.

Introduce Q in 23 with as little gadgetry as possible.

[DaveBond21]

Yes, I'd like to see a Q and Moneypenny appearance.


I wasn't impressed with Villers - did nobody else think he was a horrible Hollywood British racial stereotype?

[Qwerty]

Moneypenny, perhaps.

Paul Haggis.

[Santa]

- Black hair. Can easily be explained by Bond dyeing it for a mission and subsequently keeping the look.

I'm especially adverse to point 1, because it's just so silly, and a pointless way of trying to just make a connection that doesn't need to be made. Bond is blonde now, and that's how it should stay (besides, black hair doesn't suit Craig one bit - see INFAMOUS for reference).

Exactly. Very bad idea, one I'm amazed to see come from Loomis. While some time ago I was keen to see the return of Q and Moneypenny, I've become largely indifferent over time. If it can be done well, bring them in, if not, then I don't particularly care.
I would like to see a 'secondary' Bond girl again, a one-night stand just for fun but it may not fit the tone straight after Vesper's death. A briefing in M's office would also be very welcome.
The exotic locales need to be there too, I loved the travelogue feel of some of the older films.

[Loomis]

- Black hair. Can easily be explained by Bond dyeing it for a mission and subsequently keeping the look.

I'm especially adverse to point 1, because it's just so silly, and a pointless way of trying to just make a connection that doesn't need to be made. Bond is blonde now, and that's how it should stay (besides, black hair doesn't suit Craig one bit - see INFAMOUS for reference).

Exactly. Very bad idea, one I'm amazed to see come from Loomis.

True, but I'm just thinking of ways Craig can be made to chime with Fleming's Bond, "the traditional Bond", The Bond We All Know And Love™, and so on. Perhaps, though, as Harmsway says, it's a connection that doesn't need to be made. What do people think? Or has the hair colour issue been discussed already?

[sharpshooter]

I thought Craig's hair was dark in CR. Couldnt see what people were on about with all the blonde controversy.

Craig looked just fine with the length and colour of his hair. Craig I feel doesnt have to be a dead on description of Fleming's Bond or the previous 5 for that matter. Even if his hair is a tad blond, a reason isnt needed. Let Craig be his own unique Bond.

[Santa]

[quote name='Loomis' post='716442' date='22 March 2007 - 14:12']True, but I'm just thinking of ways Craig can be made to chime with Fleming's Bond, "the traditional Bond", The Bond We All Know And Love

[00Twelve]

I wasn't impressed with Villers - did nobody else think he was a horrible Hollywood British racial stereotype?

Racial? LOL, Dave...

As far as the hair, let the 5 year olds who still bash Craig for being a blonde Bond have their dark haired, less talented actor. I like having a guy who pulls the character off right.(I don't really feel that any dark-haired actor would be less talented, I just had to vent that. Have a good day!)

[Harmsway]

Yeah. And I know it ain't Fleming, but I like the edge the blonde look gives to the character.

[Loomis]

I wasn't impressed with Villers - did nobody else think he was a horrible Hollywood British racial stereotype?

Racial? LOL, Dave...

As far as the hair, let the 5 year olds who still bash Craig for being a blonde Bond have their dark haired, less talented actor. I like having a guy who pulls the character off right.(I don't really feel that any dark-haired actor would be less talented, I just had to vent that. Have a good day!)

I think Craig is a talented actor and a terrific Bond. But don't you reckon he'd look the part more with dark hair? Who cares if blond hair suits him more? Dark hair suits Bond more!

I mean, it would only take a little bit of dye.... No biggie, perhaps, but shouldn't Craig - in an ideal world - be made as close to the traditional Bond as possible?

[spynovelfan]

I think Loomis is being deliberately provocative.

I don't want to see Craig's hair darkened.

I'd quite like to see him get a scar down his cheek if it could be done quite quickly and not made a big deal of, and they kept it. I wasn't overly keen on horses called Martini in Higson, nor the dinner jacket scene in CR.

I'd actually quite like to see Bond's parents - he's an orphan for God's sake, and apert from one line in CR that has never been explored. That line in CR almost invites it anyway. It could be a great PTS for Bond 22: you could cast someone who looks a lot like Craig as Andrew Bond, only realising at the end of the scene that it's not him. Somehow feed this into the main plot and I think it would work better than having a villain submerge Craig's head in tea so we learn why he dislikes it so much in Fleming, or whatever.

[Mike00spy]

Why not introduce Moneypenny by her having an affair with Bond? It would be new and give their relationship some context for the rest of the series. He ends it when she becomes M's personal secretary.

Edited by Mike00spy, 22 March 2007 - 02:56 PM.

[00Twelve]

I wasn't impressed with Villers - did nobody else think he was a horrible Hollywood British racial stereotype?

Racial? LOL, Dave...

As far as the hair, let the 5 year olds who still bash Craig for being a blonde Bond have their dark haired, less talented actor. I like having a guy who pulls the character off right.(I don't really feel that any dark-haired actor would be less talented, I just had to vent that. Have a good day!)

I think Craig is a talented actor and a terrific Bond. But don't you reckon he'd look the part more with dark hair? Who cares if blond hair suits him more? Dark hair suits Bond more!

I mean, it would only take a little bit of dye.... No biggie, perhaps, but shouldn't Craig - in an ideal world - be made as close to the traditional Bond as possible?

Oh, believe me, I'm not talking to (hopefully) anyone here, Loomis. Of course brunette hair would ideally suit Bond better. Actually being 5'3" in the movies would have suited Wolverine better, too, you know? But just as Hugh Jackman has done a fantastic job with that, Craig has done equally so with Bond (as you well know ), if not better. He nailed it, and for that, I'm more than willing to see what he's gonna do next, no matter what his hair color or height is. I believe him as the character. I think now, having seen CR a few more times, I honestly just see Bond. Not Craig, but Bond. Glad it didn't take three movies for me to get there!

[Loomis]

Seems my trolling is getting more and more unconvincing.

In all seriousness, I have no particular "checklist" - I trust Eon to get BOND 22 as right as they got CASINO ROYALE, and am in no great hurry to see, for instance, the return of so-called comic relief scenes with Q. That said, I wouldn't mind that character returning - in some form or another appropriate to the Craig era, of course.

As for Moneypenny, I'd agree that it would be nice for her to have a little bit of backstory. How about introducing her right at the end of BOND 22 (or BOND 23), as 007, relaxing after the mission that has made up the bulk of the film, chats up an attractive woman at a party in London or at an MI6 function?

BOND (after some flirtatious banter): The name's Bond, James Bond.

MONEYPENNY: Mine's Moneypenny, ---- (she's cut off before the audience can hear her first name by the crash of The James Bond Theme and the end titles coming up against a black background)

[00Twelve]

Seems my trolling is getting more and more unconvincing.
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BOND (after some flirtatious banter): The name's Bond, James Bond.

MONEYPENNY: Mine's Moneypenny, ---- (she's cut off before the audience can hear her first name by the crash of The James Bond Theme and the end titles coming up against a black background)

Sorry, even after 4 1/2 years sometimes I really am dense when it comes to deciphering tone here!

...and LOL!

[Tarl_Cabot]

my check list:

Bond is recently out of the hospital recovering from his Barreta misfire accident.

Bond dyes his hair back to it's original color: Black

Bond is issued a set of new shoes...with elevated heels.

Bond allows his chest hair to grow back.

Q and moneypenny are introduced but there is no "Now pay attention 007" or any friction between the two; that comes in a later film when Bond proves to be constantly distracted. And Bond does get a frickin gadget! Nothing major, just something to save his butt about an hr and 40 minutes in the near future. Moneypenny is a pleasant, attractive and professional young woman in her mid 20s(we want her to stick around for 25+ years).

M is replaced by Bernard Hill.

Bond has taken up smoking(in moderation) as a result of his recent ordeal at the hands of Le Chifre. Q branch issues Bond a silver cigarette case as his first gadget.

[spynovelfan]

Bring in a character who does Q-like stuff but without the jokes. Reveal much later his name is Boothroyd.

Similarly, show the MI6 canteen: Bond walking in with another agent, and they pass a good-looking young female colleague, who smiles at them both and carries on her way. 'See the way she smiled at me?' says 0010. 'I'll have that tenner off you before long.' 'Don't be so crass,' says Bond. 'Anyway, Ponsonby only has eyes for me.'

Cast Loomis as Bond - he'll be positng pictures of himself as him soon.

[HawkEye007]

Leave the hair as it is. Its really not that noticeable. Wouldn't mine seeing the armourer in Bond 22. Now mind you, I'm not saying Q. I would like to see a tough old guy playing the Armourer who gives Bond some practical weapons and tools, no invisible cars. He can even be like an MI6 vet who gives Bond some grandfatherly advice. Or I would be fine with a woman playing the Armourer and her and Bond can have some banter back and forth.

[Judo chop]

my check list:

Bond is recently out of the hospital recovering from his Barreta misfire accident.

This is the most wonderful idea I

[Tarl_Cabot]

I'd keep the Barreta till the end of the "trilogy" or "Ten Years". Maybe the next Bond can start at DR. No. Let Craig be the pre-Walther 007!

[plankattack]

I think Loomis is being deliberately provocative.

My gut reaction was that Loomis had his tongue firmly in his cheek

Hair - don't care. DC is Bond, blonde, black, brown, or bald. Being Bond is about attitude as much as physical appearance and watching DC and Vesper meet on the train, that was Bond for me.

Moneypenny and Q, that's a different question. Do I want to see them? Sure, but it's not the end of the world if I don't. But I what I want is a sense of originality with their appearances. Penny and Bond meeting for the first time - that's got some potential. But if it's another Lois Maxwell in her tenth movie moment, then I can leave it.

Q as well - if we're just retreading Llewelyn, then what's the point? I love John Cleese, but his relationship with Bond is just Desmond's reheated. Bond was refreshed in CR - why can't other characters be as well. That has some appeal to me.

[Tarl_Cabot]

I think Loomis is being deliberately provocative.

My gut reaction was that Loomis had his tongue firmly in his cheek

You're correct.

[Harmsway]

Bond allows his chest hair to grow back.

Now I know all of this is in jest, but Daniel Craig *does* have chest hair. Look closely when he comes out of the water. It's blond hair, so it's not as visible, but it's there.

[Santa]

I'd actually quite like to see Bond's parents - he's an orphan for God's sake, and apert from one line in CR that has never been explored. That line in CR almost invites it anyway. It could be a great PTS for Bond 22: you could cast someone who looks a lot like Craig as Andrew Bond, only realising at the end of the scene that it's not him.

Nooooo - the romance is all in the mystery, don't ruin it for me .

Why not introduce Moneypenny by her having an affair with Bond? It would be new and give their relationship some context for the rest of the series. He ends it when she becomes M's personal secretary.

Also nooooo - you can't break the sexual tension between them. They have that anticipation that's so exquisite that the gratification could only be a letdown.

[Harmsway]

I'd actually quite like to see Bond's parents - he's an orphan for God's sake, and apert from one line in CR that has never been explored. That line in CR almost invites it anyway. It could be a great PTS for Bond 22: you could cast someone who looks a lot like Craig as Andrew Bond, only realising at the end of the scene that it's not him.

I never, ever want to see Bond's parents. I have trouble thinking of a worse story idea than one tied to his parents. Bond's parents shouldn't be tied into some conspiracy from ages past - they should be ordinary people who died in a climbing accident, 'nuff said. It's an ordinary tragedy with ordinary people, nothing more, nothing less. Otherwise, it's just tying into a big cliche about a hero's parents.

And even though it was mentioned in CASINO ROYALE, we don't really need to see them to appreciate it. It's easy enough to understand what being an orphan means. James Bond isn't Batman, and his life wasn't determined by his parents' deaths, nor should there be any attempt to make it appear so.

[Judo chop]

Bond was refreshed in CR - why can't other characters be as well. That has some appeal to me.

As Q and MP go, that's my nutshell right there.

How did you get a hold of my nutshell, Plank?

[00Twelve]

M is replaced by Bernard Hill.

Ohhh! How awesome that would be. Make it happen, Tarl. Please.

I love John Cleese, but his relationship with Bond is just Desmond's reheated.

Wow, perhaps the most apt description I've ever read.