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#1 Colossus

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Posted 19 March 2007 - 01:09 AM

There's been a lot of talk recently of mentioning Thunderball's superiority to Goldfinger like in the the recent "Goldfinger & Thunderball" thread, even TB having more votes than GF in the poll here. I've always seen these opinions whenever someone praises Thunderball (although people exist like both equally shockingly!!), they usually mention their distaste with Goldfinger, usually saying something how "he doesn't DO anything for the last half" and citing the "annoying soundtrack" as opposed to Bond in "badass mode" in Thunderball, i think after years of continuous praise of Goldfinger as the quintessential Bond movie, people get disenfranchised with it naturally and pick it apart especially comparing it to its outlandish successor.... well on the subject of Thunderball, rewatching it on the Ultimate Editions to the full after years of last seeing it and only catching parts of it on the now traditional annual Bondathons, this is my least favorite of the 60s Bonds, not bad, but to me a fair Bond only.

Now from where i'm coming from, Dr. No and FRWL are my top 2 Bond movies and Terence Young my favorite Bond director just from those alone, but i've felt Goldfinger is very deserving of all of its recognition. Yes it was the one that started the series toward the light-hearted path but the series was going to go that path either way because of the 2 fellas running the series always trying to appeal to the masses, which owe to the series' longevity, having it in mind from the beginning. Guy Hamilton, known for his love of fun and colorful approach, was wanted from the beginning. And Goldfinger in that sense is really the best in its approach, of course its subject matter was outlandish by Fleming in itself to begin with. The Thunderball novel might be the stronger of the two, but film-wise it's the opposite.

Connery in Thunderball is just too confident for me, in Goldfinger Bond may have become the suave superhero but at least he didn't appear overwhelmingly smug. He got more smug in Goldfinger but it was still balanced out with many points where Bond has the "aw crap" face, like in the first two movies. He was shown in moments of vulnerability unlike in Thunderball, everything is a piece of cake to him, i only remember him running through the carnival with a wounded leg when you sense he's in any danger. Or he's jetting with his underwater pack singlehandedly winning the climactic battle, compared to GF's finale of him and Oddjob alone locked in a duel in the soon-to-be irradiated bowels of gold. It's just not so enjoyable to see a super confident hero where everything works out for him and he does all perfectly. In Goldfinger all the baddies and women he faced, he appeared very much more to struggle with them, not everything worked out for him everytime. The henchmen are so inept in Thunderball i just can't really imagine how SPECTRE tried to carry things out with some of these guys, Vargas the most useless of all, i shed a tear of joy when he was laughably harpooned. Though Fiona is one of the strong points. The movie came off too dreary, just boring, and not in a good way. Some movies can pull off the calm parts and still be interesting while others just feel like a continued hammer to your brain. There were quite a few easy-going parts in GF i remember, Miami, trailing Goldfinger, Kentucky moments that had no action but were interesting. The climactic TB battles underwater with numerous people in the throes of death from harpoons again sounds better on paper but watching it is another thing. Watching fights underwater just sucks. Or the boat fight which felt like it was going for urgency but came off silly.

People say the Leiter in Goldfinger is more like Bond's Uncle rather than his CIA counterpart, and he does appear older, and the Thunderball Leiter is the mirror image of the Leiter from the books, well i have to say TB's Leiter might look like in the book but is he supposed to be a 2x4 plank of wood? Just bland, in the books Bond and Leiter had a joking comradery and appeared more of an equal, in TB Leiter felt more like a doormat for Bond, without much of a personality. In Goldfinger he may look like an old man but he has more of a presence and has a will of his own, significantly more enjoyable than TB's mannequin. GF's Leiter is the better personality-wise which is what really counts to me. As for the music TB comes short of the dynamic sounds of GF, like where it repeats the same 5 beats followed by the most annoying screeching whistle sound you ever heard compared to Goldfinger's varied amounts of brassy, easy-going, and jazzy tunes. Where Thunderball tried to top Goldfinger's successful formula, it forgot what made it so enjoyable in the first place, that it still remained grounded and focused around the characters themselves, not veering off on relying on the fight and spectacle.

Edited by Colossus, 19 March 2007 - 02:15 AM.


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Posted 19 March 2007 - 07:50 AM

A lot of what you said in your post is personal opinion. I think TB's "slower" parts are just as interesting as in GF, I love TB's jazzy music, I prefer TB's FL to the "uncle" in GF... all personal opinion. One thing you forgot about TB is the "aw, crap" face SC made when the shark came at him in the pool. The production crew didn't have enough plexiglass to close off all the pool area and SC really was face to face with a shark! He wasn't acting when he jumped out of the pool either. SC was practically walking on water at that point.

In GF Bond seduced a lesiban Pussy Galore? Then he didn't know how to disarm a nuclear bomb? (Other spies and whatnot have done it).

What else you got?

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Posted 28 March 2007 - 05:52 PM

For me, Goldfinger suffers only for it's dreary location settings, and it suffers mightily. They replace Kentucky with just about anywhere else outside of the U.S and I may be putting Goldfinger right alongside Thunderball @ #1.

<I realize Kentucky is integral to the story. I realize WHY they filmed in America. Having a good reason doesn't make it any more pleasurable for me though.>

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Posted 28 March 2007 - 08:03 PM

There's been a lot of talk recently of mentioning Thunderball's superiority to Goldfinger like in the the recent "Goldfinger & Thunderball" thread, even TB having more votes than GF in the poll here. I've always seen these opinions whenever someone praises Thunderball (although people exist like both equally shockingly!!), they usually mention their distaste with Goldfinger, usually saying something how "he doesn't DO anything for the last half" and citing the "annoying soundtrack" as opposed to Bond in "badass mode" in Thunderball, i think after years of continuous praise of Goldfinger as the quintessential Bond movie, people get disenfranchised with it naturally and pick it apart especially comparing it to its outlandish successor.... well on the subject of Thunderball, rewatching it on the Ultimate Editions to the full after years of last seeing it and only catching parts of it on the now traditional annual Bondathons, this is my least favorite of the 60s Bonds, not bad, but to me a fair Bond only.

Now from where i'm coming from, Dr. No and FRWL are my top 2 Bond movies and Terence Young my favorite Bond director just from those alone, but i've felt Goldfinger is very deserving of all of its recognition. Yes it was the one that started the series toward the light-hearted path but the series was going to go that path either way because of the 2 fellas running the series always trying to appeal to the masses, which owe to the series' longevity, having it in mind from the beginning. Guy Hamilton, known for his love of fun and colorful approach, was wanted from the beginning. And Goldfinger in that sense is really the best in its approach, of course its subject matter was outlandish by Fleming in itself to begin with. The Thunderball novel might be the stronger of the two, but film-wise it's the opposite.

Connery in Thunderball is just too confident for me, in Goldfinger Bond may have become the suave superhero but at least he didn't appear overwhelmingly smug. He got more smug in Goldfinger but it was still balanced out with many points where Bond has the "aw crap" face, like in the first two movies. He was shown in moments of vulnerability unlike in Thunderball, everything is a piece of cake to him, i only remember him running through the carnival with a wounded leg when you sense he's in any danger. Or he's jetting with his underwater pack singlehandedly winning the climactic battle, compared to GF's finale of him and Oddjob alone locked in a duel in the soon-to-be irradiated bowels of gold. It's just not so enjoyable to see a super confident hero where everything works out for him and he does all perfectly. In Goldfinger all the baddies and women he faced, he appeared very much more to struggle with them, not everything worked out for him everytime. The henchmen are so inept in Thunderball i just can't really imagine how SPECTRE tried to carry things out with some of these guys, Vargas the most useless of all, i shed a tear of joy when he was laughably harpooned. Though Fiona is one of the strong points. The movie came off too dreary, just boring, and not in a good way. Some movies can pull off the calm parts and still be interesting while others just feel like a continued hammer to your brain. There were quite a few easy-going parts in GF i remember, Miami, trailing Goldfinger, Kentucky moments that had no action but were interesting. The climactic TB battles underwater with numerous people in the throes of death from harpoons again sounds better on paper but watching it is another thing. Watching fights underwater just sucks. Or the boat fight which felt like it was going for urgency but came off silly.
People say the Leiter in Goldfinger is more like Bond's Uncle rather than his CIA counterpart, and he does appear older, and the Thunderball Leiter is the mirror image of the Leiter from the books, well i have to say TB's Leiter might look like in the book but is he supposed to be a 2x4 plank of wood? Just bland, in the books Bond and Leiter had a joking comradery and appeared more of an equal, in TB Leiter felt more like a doormat for Bond, without much of a personality. In Goldfinger he may look like an old man but he has more of a presence and has a will of his own, significantly more enjoyable than TB's mannequin. GF's Leiter is the better personality-wise which is what really counts to me. As for the music TB comes short of the dynamic sounds of GF, like where it repeats the same 5 beats followed by the most annoying screeching whistle sound you ever heard compared to Goldfinger's varied amounts of brassy, easy-going, and jazzy tunes. Where Thunderball tried to top Goldfinger's successful formula, it forgot what made it so enjoyable in the first place, that it still remained grounded and focused around the characters themselves, not veering off on relying on the fight and spectacle.


The underwater battle had remained strong in my memory as grounds for flunking TB. A recent re-viewing led me to change my mind. It's true that we don't get the catharsis we're looking in a final fight. (Hard to tell one man from another behind those masks, and we can't see their facial expressions) Then again, GF hardly makes for good comparison. The fight with Odd Job is one of the franchise's weakest: basically consisting of Connery sliding on his butt across the floor or trying to bend OJ's arm. Big deal! More important to me, though, on a second watch was this: the underwater fight is positively Homeric in the scope of the slaughter--and the infinite variety of ways spears end lives: through the throat, the elbow, the face mask, etc. The choreography, for me, more than compensated for whatever else I was missing. Superb!

As for the boat fight, I am with you. And I've commented elsewhere that at one point it appears as if a full-figure poster of Largo with an outstretched arm is yanked a foot or two to complete a punch.

Even so, though....Even so...I prefer the absence of the flying circus and the freakishly named heroine. TB, with its flaws, is the more grounded film to me and the more appealing.

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Posted 28 March 2007 - 08:12 PM

Thunderball is the better movie,better pacing,direction,and more complete than Goldfinger(better balance between,gadgets,humor,and realism)although both are two of the better bond films

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Posted 28 March 2007 - 08:42 PM

The fight with Odd Job is one of the franchise's weakest: basically consisting of Connery sliding on his butt across the floor or trying to bend OJ's arm.

LOL, dodge. I just had this mental picture of Sean Connery hanging on OJ Simpson's straight arm trying to bend it as OJ drags him around on his butt. I'm weird like that. :cooltongue:

As for the boat fight, I am with you. And I've commented elsewhere that at one point it appears as if a full-figure poster of Largo with an outstretched arm is yanked a foot or two to complete a punch.

:angry: I'm actually laughing as I type, only because it's true!

Hey, I do like Goldfinger quite a bit. It's great. I think TB had the better source novel to begin with, and that's its main advantage. That and Young seemed to be better at creating suspense. It seemed like Bond was just in more immediate physical peril in TB, and fought more ferociously to get out of it.

Going back to GF, I would have liked to have seen Oddjob be the one to get sucked out of the plane as in the novel, and Bond never having tried to fight him. It was obviously futile, and the literary Oddjob would have snapped him in half and eaten his fingers. The cinematic GF's set was great, the suspense was good, but I am constantly reminded that this is the guy who fought Grant like a rabid dog, and here he is throwing slow punches, watching Oddjob wrench a pipe from his hand without doing anything with the other, and I'm just frustratedly thinking "Punch him in the throat! Punch him in the throat!!" Oh well. Not that the fighting in TB is much better, but he's on fire again. Just IMHO. That fight is actually my only nitpick. Well, this isn't a nitpick, but I can't help laughing when Bond slaps Dink on the butt, only because it sounds like a freakin' boat oar against a side of beef. Other than that, I love GF.

And the golf game is still a fantastic scene that has no equal, IMO.

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Posted 29 March 2007 - 07:46 AM

Good mention of the golf too, another calm part that remains interesting. I'd put the Oddjob fight only behind the Grant one as my favorite. Whereas the previous one was one of two equals, this one is really fighting a superhuman, and with that in mind done greatly. It all seems pretty hopeless until he uses his wits!

The Kentucky scenes are not among the most photogenic (except for Goldfinger's farm) i'd agree but i just adore the Switzerland locales!

Thunderball is the better movie,better pacing,direction,and more complete than Goldfinger(better balance between,gadgets,humor,and realism)although both are two of the better bond films


The pacing is something that's really not on TB's side, (a result from the editor being left to cobble it together.)

Edited by Colossus, 29 March 2007 - 07:58 AM.


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Posted 30 March 2007 - 09:01 AM

I can't see the point in this thread. TB and GF are both solid gold. My happiest movie memories are watching both of them on a double bill.

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Posted 30 March 2007 - 06:14 PM

Goldfinger has all of those iconic images working in its favor; gold painted naked chicks will do that. GF is definitely the template for the series; I don't know why, maybe that has to do with the wonderful John Barry score or the fact that the villain was so simplistic in that he was totally consumed by his lust for gold and that was memorable to the audience. The Bond trademarks were (gambling, "Bond. James Bond", the gimmicks, and everything else) were already in place by the time of GF, so maybe it was because Connery finally achieved the confidence in the role by '64. When Thunderball came out, everyone knew what to expect and the formula was just on "auto pilot." Everything WAS "bigger and better"! As a kid in 1980, I immediately declared Thunderball my favorite Bond film and (perhaps surprisingly) it still is. The outstanding location filming, the presence of three absolutely stunning women and the over-the-top gadgetry just did it for me, then and now. However, I think what really gives Thunderball the decisive edge for me is the overrall ebullience the film gives off. Connery has a spring in his step (oh wait, he's just wounded!) and I, for one, think the "epic scope" that Cubby and Harry aimed for actually worked. I have just as much love and enthusiasm for Thunderball today at age 35, as I did at age 9.

I've made these points numerous times here in the past, but Thunderball is near and dear to me, and I always relish the chance to talk it up...

Edited by Brian Flagg, 30 March 2007 - 06:16 PM.


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Posted 30 March 2007 - 09:42 PM

The underwater fight is too long, confusing and underwhelming as it consists of tons of extras slowly thrashing about shooting harpoons and cutting air hoses.

It goes on for about ten minutes and ends for no other reason than the screenplay says so. And how do dozens (?????) of SPECTRE frogmen stage a mass surrender on cue when they can't communicate at all and there is no way of knowing that they have lost?

How does Bond aim with that goofy jet(?) scuba pack on his back?

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Posted 31 March 2007 - 01:44 AM

The underwater fight is too long, confusing and underwhelming as it consists of tons of extras slowly thrashing about shooting harpoons and cutting air hoses.

It goes on for about ten minutes and ends for no other reason than the screenplay says so. And how do dozens (?????) of SPECTRE frogmen stage a mass surrender on cue when they can't communicate at all and there is no way of knowing that they have lost?

How does Bond aim with that goofy jet(?) scuba pack on his back?

This is an all too common complaint about TB and one I will never understand. I am not sure what is confusing about it underwater battle. It's pretty clear who is who and what is happening. Underwater does mean action is slower, but they throw in enough to keep things moving -- underwater predators, compositions, sunken ships, etc. Some scenes are very violent, which also puts a different slant on it.

So show me an underwater battle in any other film that's even close to this. Besides that, it totally stands out from any other battle in the entire series.

As for the SPECTRE surrender, in the original script there was supposed to be an aquapara with a bullhorn telling them to surrender, but that scene was eliminated. Okay, not really. Maybe they just knew they were beaten and knew the cause was lost. It would beat being hauled back aboard the Disco Volante and killed en masse by Largo for losing the battle.

As for Bond's aim with the scuba pack, well, he's Bond. :cooltongue:

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Posted 31 March 2007 - 02:19 AM

I like both films, both classics.
Goldfinger stand out more for sure.

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Posted 31 March 2007 - 02:22 AM

This is an all too common complaint about TB and one I will never understand. I am not sure what is confusing about it underwater battle. It's pretty clear who is who and what is happening. Underwater does mean action is slower, but they throw in enough to keep things moving -- underwater predators, compositions, sunken ships, etc. Some scenes are very violent, which also puts a different slant on it.

All I see is a bunch of stuntmen fighting and then the baddies give up for no reason. There is no way of knowing how the battle is going and why groups of baddies are chasing Bond around a shipwreck.

So show me an underwater battle in any other film that's even close to this. Besides that, it totally stands out from any other battle in the entire series.

Stands out by being dull and boring! :cooltongue: There is a good reason why lengthy scuba battles never took off.

As for the SPECTRE surrender, in the original script there was supposed to be an aquapara with a bullhorn telling them to surrender, but that scene was eliminated. Okay, not really. Maybe they just knew they were beaten and knew the cause was lost. It would beat being hauled back aboard the Disco Volante and killed en masse by Largo for losing the battle.


How did they know that when they had no way of communicating and were busy fighting for their lives? How exactly do scuba divers surrender? And when do SPECTRE operatives surrender? And how did they know to surrender all at once?

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Posted 31 March 2007 - 02:43 AM

How did they know that when they had no way of communicating and were busy fighting for their lives? How exactly do scuba divers surrender? And when do SPECTRE operatives surrender? And how did they know to surrender all at once?

You think it's already too long and you want that thrown in too? Come on, just take it as one of those things that something happened you just did't see on camera.

We'll aparently just have to agree to disagree on this one.

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Posted 31 March 2007 - 01:20 PM

My opinion: I think that most-there are a few enlightened teens and Twentysomethings here- of the younger posters here at CBn (born in the Eighties and on) are so accustomed to MTV-style fast edits and have such short attention spans that they just can't sit still for anything longer than, say, 2 seconds because they are so overstimulated by video games and want everything "instantly". These are the same people who label anything before their lifetime as "old" and can't possibly understand why something was popular "so long ago." And don't even get these same people started about how "bad" Black & White films are!

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Posted 31 March 2007 - 02:44 PM

There's been a lot of talk recently of mentioning Thunderball's superiority to Goldfinger like in the the recent "Goldfinger & Thunderball" thread, even TB having more votes than GF in the poll here. I've always seen these opinions whenever someone praises Thunderball (although people exist like both equally shockingly!!), they usually mention their distaste with Goldfinger, usually saying something how "he doesn't DO anything for the last half" and citing the "annoying soundtrack" as opposed to Bond in "badass mode" in Thunderball, i think after years of continuous praise of Goldfinger as the quintessential Bond movie, people get disenfranchised with it naturally and pick it apart especially comparing it to its outlandish successor.... well on the subject of Thunderball, rewatching it on the Ultimate Editions to the full after years of last seeing it and only catching parts of it on the now traditional annual Bondathons, this is my least favorite of the 60s Bonds, not bad, but to me a fair Bond only.

Now from where i'm coming from, Dr. No and FRWL are my top 2 Bond movies and Terence Young my favorite Bond director just from those alone, but i've felt Goldfinger is very deserving of all of its recognition. Yes it was the one that started the series toward the light-hearted path but the series was going to go that path either way because of the 2 fellas running the series always trying to appeal to the masses, which owe to the series' longevity, having it in mind from the beginning. Guy Hamilton, known for his love of fun and colorful approach, was wanted from the beginning. And Goldfinger in that sense is really the best in its approach, of course its subject matter was outlandish by Fleming in itself to begin with. The Thunderball novel might be the stronger of the two, but film-wise it's the opposite.

Connery in Thunderball is just too confident for me, in Goldfinger Bond may have become the suave superhero but at least he didn't appear overwhelmingly smug. He got more smug in Goldfinger but it was still balanced out with many points where Bond has the "aw crap" face, like in the first two movies. He was shown in moments of vulnerability unlike in Thunderball, everything is a piece of cake to him, i only remember him running through the carnival with a wounded leg when you sense he's in any danger. Or he's jetting with his underwater pack singlehandedly winning the climactic battle, compared to GF's finale of him and Oddjob alone locked in a duel in the soon-to-be irradiated bowels of gold. It's just not so enjoyable to see a super confident hero where everything works out for him and he does all perfectly. In Goldfinger all the baddies and women he faced, he appeared very much more to struggle with them, not everything worked out for him everytime. The henchmen are so inept in Thunderball i just can't really imagine how SPECTRE tried to carry things out with some of these guys, Vargas the most useless of all, i shed a tear of joy when he was laughably harpooned. Though Fiona is one of the strong points. The movie came off too dreary, just boring, and not in a good way. Some movies can pull off the calm parts and still be interesting while others just feel like a continued hammer to your brain. There were quite a few easy-going parts in GF i remember, Miami, trailing Goldfinger, Kentucky moments that had no action but were interesting. The climactic TB battles underwater with numerous people in the throes of death from harpoons again sounds better on paper but watching it is another thing. Watching fights underwater just sucks. Or the boat fight which felt like it was going for urgency but came off silly.

People say the Leiter in Goldfinger is more like Bond's Uncle rather than his CIA counterpart, and he does appear older, and the Thunderball Leiter is the mirror image of the Leiter from the books, well i have to say TB's Leiter might look like in the book but is he supposed to be a 2x4 plank of wood? Just bland, in the books Bond and Leiter had a joking comradery and appeared more of an equal, in TB Leiter felt more like a doormat for Bond, without much of a personality. In Goldfinger he may look like an old man but he has more of a presence and has a will of his own, significantly more enjoyable than TB's mannequin. GF's Leiter is the better personality-wise which is what really counts to me. As for the music TB comes short of the dynamic sounds of GF, like where it repeats the same 5 beats followed by the most annoying screeching whistle sound you ever heard compared to Goldfinger's varied amounts of brassy, easy-going, and jazzy tunes. Where Thunderball tried to top Goldfinger's successful formula, it forgot what made it so enjoyable in the first place, that it still remained grounded and focused around the characters themselves, not veering off on relying on the fight and spectacle.


Speaking as a 40-something Bond fan,I have to say I've always preferred Goldfinger to Thunderball. But then I've always thought Thunderball to be the dreariest of the Eon Bonds, so it goes without saying, really. Thunderball's pace is funereal and the much-vaunted underwater battle is a confusing hotch-potch of incidents that leave one not caring who wins. In contrast, Goldfinger just IS the 1960s...

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Posted 31 March 2007 - 08:10 PM

The argument that TB was the most successful Bond film because of its greatness is a bit faulty. You can thank that to the goodwill from GF, and the anticipation building with each previous Bond film. Why didn't YOLT succeed or even match TB's box-office? Because that goodwill was shattered with TB.

The same thing happened after TSWLM, MR held the highest box-office but it fell with FYEO (even though it along with TSWLM are the two widely liked Moores.)

Edited by Colossus, 31 March 2007 - 08:13 PM.


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Posted 01 April 2007 - 03:22 AM

The argument that TB was the most successful Bond film because of its greatness is a bit faulty. You can thank that to the goodwill from GF, and the anticipation building with each previous Bond film. Why didn't YOLT succeed or even match TB's box-office? Because that goodwill was shattered with TB.

The same thing happened after TSWLM, MR held the highest box-office but it fell with FYEO (even though it along with TSWLM are the two widely liked Moores.)

If you are still sticking by this theory, which I don't buy, do you also attribute the success of CR to the goodwill of DAD?

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Posted 01 April 2007 - 03:51 AM

They are both very good films, while being quite different. I favor Thunderball, I love the scenery of the Bahamas and this movie gave me the desire to get certified for SCUBA.

One of the most memorable moments of my life was diving the remains of the Vulcan bomber and its neighbor the sunken ship in Never Say Never Again. I really felt Bond-like on that dive!

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Posted 01 April 2007 - 04:48 AM

If you are still sticking by this theory, which I don't buy, do you also attribute the success of CR to the goodwill of DAD?


Well it seems that the introduction of a new actor to the role and a long time without any Bonds could be contributing factors.

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Posted 01 April 2007 - 05:03 AM

Ah, but the venom toward the new actor was unprecedented and so it seems hardly that the simple advent of a new actor wouldn't be enough to make this last film succeed. As it turns out, the new actor was also incredibly talented.

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Posted 01 April 2007 - 08:28 PM

I saw critics virtually praise him what are you talking about? The advent of a new Bond is hardly something i'd call simple, it's a pretty major thing for the series.

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Posted 02 April 2007 - 03:43 AM

One thing you forgot about TB is the "aw, crap" face SC made when the shark came at him in the pool. The production crew didn't have enough plexiglass to close off all the pool area and SC really was face to face with a shark! He wasn't acting when he jumped out of the pool either. SC was practically walking on water at that point.

I recently rented the UE TB. And that shark n-e-a-r-l-y got Sean. A second slower getting out of that pool, Connery's feet were gone.

On topic - I remember going to see Thunderball when it was released in 1965. I was 7 then. This movie has always been the one I judge all other Bond films by. To dissect it by today's standards is chalk-and-cheese to me. Movie goers in the 60's weren't so concerned with the details as they are now. After all, color films were still a fairly new thing. Then, as now, Thunderball has it all, for me. And now, so too does Casino Royale. :cooltongue:

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Posted 02 April 2007 - 04:35 AM

I saw critics virtually praise him what are you talking about? The advent of a new Bond is hardly something i'd call simple, it's a pretty major thing for the series.

I think I just misunderstood you. I thought you were talking about *any* new actor to the series. In Craig's case, yes, big initial success. In Lazenby's and Dalton's, not as much.

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Posted 02 April 2007 - 05:20 AM

Wasn't Lazenby's the 2nd highest grossing film of '69 behind Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid though?

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Posted 02 April 2007 - 05:39 AM

I believe so. Daltons movies were both massive commercial successes too. TLD made more then AVTAK, and the only reason LTK made less was because its higher OFLC rating effctively cut out a huge portion of Bond's traditional audience. But it too was still a massive commercial success. I'll never know where these Lazenby/Dalton flop ideas come from.

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Posted 02 April 2007 - 06:27 AM

I must say I prefer Goldfinger over Thunderball.


GF has a few more classic scenes for me - the PTS is classic Bond, it has everything. Other great elements include the villain, Oddjob, the golf match, Switzerland, the laser, Fort Knox and the plane at the end.

TB doesn't quite have these moments, but I think people like the whole atmosphere of the movie.

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Posted 02 April 2007 - 07:57 AM

I watched From Russia With Love and Goldfinger yesterday. Much prefer Russia. Anyway, in the middle of Goldfinger, Bond is inactive rendering the plot dull. The villain is running the show making it difficult for Bond to be engaging.

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Posted 02 April 2007 - 01:39 PM

Wasn't Lazenby's the 2nd highest grossing film of '69 behind Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid though?

Possibly so. Never checked, myself. I'm just making that assumption based on the decision to pull a 180 on the direction of the series. In any case, I misunderstood you, so sorry for that. Thanks. :cooltongue:

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Posted 02 April 2007 - 02:16 PM

For the longest time I had Thunderball ranked #1 out of 20.

I have vacationed in Nassau/The Bahamas because of this movie.

I do, however, beleive that the underwater battle is two or three scenes too long. (For example @ 1:57:28 on the UE there is a moment when 2 frogmen have an aquapara cornered with harpoon guns ready to fire. It takes way too many seconds for Bond to fire off his harpoon to cut the rope which ultimately leads to the Spectre guys getting crushed which takes place @ 1:57:38...now in reality, the 2 frogmen would have mercelessly speared down the aquapara @ 1:57:29 or :30 instead of waiting for Bond to line them up 5 to 7 seconds after the fact...The editing during that sequence is Horrible.)

If they edit some shots out of the aquapara finale, Thunderball would definitely be a hard to beat James Bond movie.

Still, the out-and-out violence of the battle is mesmeric and I don't think it would pass the censors today.

There are tons of great things about Thunderball eventhough it has it's share of flaws.

Edited by HildebrandRarity, 02 April 2007 - 02:48 PM.