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[DamnCoffee]

I think someone said in my 'David Tennant dreams for Bond Baddie Role' thread that they would like David Tennant or Christopher Eccelston to take the role of Q, and i agree.

[bonds_walther]

I'm part of the no-Q and no-MP party. They are part of another era. Whatever title EON uses I hope, and actually have some faith in them, that it will be a good one.

As for the story? As long as it's a whopper of a story, I'm good.

The clown thing in IF's notebook is intriguing because it would be so hard to pull off. I like the aspect of a crowd standing around watching men fight and no one intervenes because the crowd take it as entertainment. This has happened in a number of true crime cases. It's like the scene Hitchcock wanted to film someday; the hero goes to an auto plant to investigate a murder. He interviews the foreman while a car is being built right in front of them. When the car is finished, the foreman asks the hero if he will drive it off the line. The hero opens the door and a corpse falls out!

Hitch and IF are awesome.

This idea sound like it might have been adapted and used in Octopussy. The sequence where the agent gets stabbed and stumbles into an embassy party dressed as a clown springs to mind here.

[stamper]

This idea is in CR, the murder in the museum, where no one notice bond and the bad guy fighting, is great

[blueman]

While I'm no fan of OCTOPUSSY (or Roger Moore's Bond), please note that it was Ian Fleming's idea to have a man dressed as a clown fighting for his life whilst an audience laughs mistaking his actions for comedy. I don't believe he ever wrote it, but I know he mentioned it in an interview.

Really? Now that's interesting.

It's in one of Fleming's notebooks. There's a idea of a fight between Bond and an assassin that takes place at an embassy party. Both 007 and the other man are disguised in clown costumes, so (as Jackanaples mentions) the party guest all think it's part of the entertainment and stand around watching.

Is it okay to be glad Fleming left that idea in his notebook, and never actually wrote it into a story? Yech.

[Harmsway]

Actually, Bond wasn't dressed in a clown costume in the story idea. Only the assassin was a clown. And from that, I think the idea holds a lot of merit.

[blueman]

Bond shooting a clown...clowns are evil...I get behind that.

[DaveBond21]

I'm part of the no-Q and no-MP party

But will you want Villiers to return in Bond 24, for example?

[JimmyBond]

I'm part of no party. If they can make the characters work, great, I won't mind seeing them again.

[Judo chop]

I'm part of no party. If they can make the characters work, great, I won't mind seeing them again.

That IS what it all comes down to, isn

[DaveBond21]

I do like the idea of seeing familiar characters like Q, Moneypenny and Tanner. I'd like him to meet them all in Bond 22. Better than the bland posh gang they had in CR.

[JimmyBond]

Curious what people think, if we see these characters (Q, Moneypenny, Tanner) in Bond 22, should Bond be introduced to them or should he interact with them as if they were alawys around?

[DaveBond21]

Curious what people think, if we see these characters (Q, Moneypenny, Tanner) in Bond 22, should Bond be introduced to them or should he interact with them as if they were alawys around?

It would be interesting to see Bond introduced to Moneypenny and for Bond to be more attracted to her than she is to him, at first!

[Qwerty]

I don't think he should be introduced to Q--if he's even in Bond 22. Just go the Dr. No/From Russia With Love route for the scene (or something along those lines).

[DaveBond21]

I don't think he should be introduced to Q--if he's even in Bond 22. Just go the Dr. No/From Russia With Love route for the scene (or something along those lines).

I agree.

M can ask for Major Boothroyd in the same manner as in Dr No.

[Qwerty]

Precisely. I'm undecided when it comes to Miss Moneypenny.

[DaveBond21]

Precisely. I'm undecided when it comes to Miss Moneypenny.

I think Daniel Craig's flirting with Moneypenny would be great - in fact, it would be very similar to his sparring with Vesper on the train in CR.

And I fail to see why Villiers is a better character than Moneypenny. He is just an iffeminite charicature.

[JimmyBond]

I don't think it's so much that he's a better character, just that he's different. You know the old saying, familiarity breeds contempt, it's nice to have a break from the norm every now and then.

[DaveBond21]

I don't think it's so much that he's a better character, just that he's different. You know the old saying, familiarity breeds contempt, it's nice to have a break from the norm every now and then.

True. Fair point.

But I think alot of non-Bond fanatics (those who don't come on this site) missed some of the regular things, like Moneypenny and Q.

And Villiers is a shocking stereotype. It's the Sheriff Pepper of an English person. It's like the Simpsons came up with the character. And don't get me started on the doctor. My uncle is ex-SAS and he told me that the chances of all those intelligence staff having those accents are 500-1...!!

[JimmyBond]

But I think alot of non-Bond fanatics (those who don't come on this site) missed some of the regular things, like Moneypenny and Q.

Perhaps, but it didnt hurt the Box office much, nor did I see it mentioned much in any professional reviews.

[archer1949]

Moneypenny? Yes, I'd like to see her return. Maybe in a different role and setting, but she seems (to me anyway) a critical part of the mythos that shouldn't be abandoned altogether.

Does it strike anyone as rather odd that Purvis and Wade, the guys who gave James Bond an invisible car and made him surf a CGI wave, have suddenly become apostles of a stripped-down, less gimmicky Bond? WHere were these guys in 2002?

[Robertsmiller]

Does it strike anyone as rather odd that Purvis and Wade, the guys who gave James Bond an invisible car and made him surf a CGI wave, have suddenly become apostles of a stripped-down, less gimmicky Bond? WHere were these guys in 2002?

They got to go off entirely fresh Flemming material, thats why CR was so great IMO, as others have said, their true colours will be seen with 22, good or bad.

As for Q, the Major Boothroyd bit in Dr. No is a perfect example for how 'Q' could be, if not an addition to the film, at least not a detraction.

[JimmyBond]

They got to go off entirely fresh Flemming material, thats why CR was so great IMO, as others have said, their true colours will be seen with 22, good or bad.

I wouldnt be too sure of that. They've turned in their draft and moved on. Someone is going to come in and do a polish, it might be a complete overhaul or it might be a small rewrite. Whatever it is, we'll (once again) have a hard time telling what they're responsible for.

[archer1949]

They got to go off entirely fresh Flemming material, that's why CR was so great IMO, as others have said, their true colours will be seen with 22, good or bad.

I would be too sure of that. They've turned in their draft and moved on. Someone is going to come in and do a polish, it might be a complete overhaul or it might be a small rewrite. Whatever it is, we'll (once again) have a hard time telling what they're responsible for.

Does anybody know who the other writer is going to be? I am not a huge fan of Paul Haggis, but the Casino Royale script kicked derriere.

[K1Bond007]

Does anybody know who the other writer is going to be? I am not a huge fan of Paul Haggis, but the Casino Royale script kicked derriere.

Nobody knows. Just a couple rumors here and there. Haggis again, Tom Stoppard. I'd put my money on the former at least being offered.

[Zorin Industries]

They got to go off entirely fresh Flemming material, thats why CR was so great IMO, as others have said, their true colours will be seen with 22, good or bad.

I wouldnt be too sure of that. They've turned in their draft and moved on.

The first draft is never the final draft, so they will continue to be working on the script. A first draft is like a rough blueprint of everything that will no doubt change.

[JimmyBond]

Well, they're busy working on another movie right now. While that doesnt preclude them from returning and going over there script again, I seriously doubt it.

[Zorin Industries]

Well, they're busy working on another movie right now. While that doesnt preclude them from returning and going over there script again, I seriously doubt it.

Okay, but they are the credited writers of the film, so wouldn't just hand in a first draft and run. They'd be rewriting from here on in.

[stamper]

I don't mind Moneypenny, as long as she is a bit more attractive than the last one.

Q however is a useless character once you miss Desmond. Gadgets are all over us by now, why would bond need someone showing off his new GPS tracking system ? Everyone got one.

[DaveBond21]

why would bond need someone showing off his new GPS tracking system ? Everyone got one.

This is the British government. There would be 10 people with this job, and another 5 who would be advisors to the 10 who do this job.

[Red Barchetta]

I think Q needs to come back, re-tooled, at some point. He is part of the Bond universe.
Not a joking, deadpan Q, but a tight, no-nonsense type of character. Hugh Laurie would be great in a role like this!

I'm thinking Moneypenny should be used as a voiceover for the films- kind of an opening, and closing narrative, or something like that. Not really seen, but just heard.