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[English Agent]

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Casino Royale Passes $500 Million Mark Worldwide

Opening in Italy this weekend

-----UPDATE-----

Casino Royale Remains Solid; Worldwide Box Office Exceeds $530 Million

Strong staying power in UK; #1 opening in Italy

Buonasera

(New update 21:18 GMT)

CASINO ROYALE has passed $500,000,000 Worldwide

$345,000,000 Internationally
$156,800,000 North America

Today sees the release of CR in Italy

Sony Pictures Releasing International's (SPRI) is lauching CR
at 410 screens.

Generally Italy has not been a large market
for Bond films, but as CR has Italian actors and
actresses in the film and the fact that the film
had parts filmed in Italy such as Venice i expect the
film to exceed the boxoffice there made by DAD.

Look what Mads Mikellson did for the Danish boxoffice.

This weekend in the US i expect CR to be around the $159 mil by
the end of Sunday, getting ever nearer to DAD's $160.9 mil.

In the UK the film could get very close to $100 mil total,
though i expect to see this mark passed early next week,
and then surpass 'Pirates' by the end of next weekend.

See belows extract from 'Variety'

"Casino Royale" shows little sign of letting up its assault on the U.K. box office. It leapt 40% in its seventh frame last weekend despite losing 12% of its screens and is on track to becoming the highest grossing film released in 2006.

"Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest" finished up with

[SilencedPPK]

P.S. When is the boycott by 'DCnB' supposed to start????????

LMAO!!! I'm still tapping my foot

[dinovelvet]

P.S. When is the boycott by 'DCnB' supposed to start????????

LMAO!!! I'm still tapping my foot

I think they boycotted their own boycott?!

[JackWade]

Great news!

English Agent... just curious, are you some kind of box office expert? You always seem to get the box office numbers and analysis to us before most.

[Qwerty]

Now on the CBn main page...

Casino Royale Passes $500 Million Mark Worldwide

Opening in Italy this weekend

[English Agent]

Great news!

English Agent... just curious, are you some kind of box office expert? You always seem to get the box office numbers and analysis to us before most.

It's not my job.......but an interest.
I really only started following boxoffice, when the internet came
into being, as it allowed this info to be more readily available.

I only put reports on this site from respectable and accurate film trade sources.

As i have tracked various films BO over the last few years, i have gradually
been able to build up a decent list of premier boxoffice resources over the
internet.
By following BO trends, this gives one experience over the years, to be able
to predict a films boxoffice fairly accurately during its run and understand
which markets a film will perform strongly.

I am currently trying to resource reliable sites to obtain 'admission' figures.

Edited by English Agent, 06 January 2007 - 01:36 AM.

[Double-0-Seven]

Great news! The first Bond film to pass $500 million.

[bill007]

Well done.. Well done, indeed.

[Qwerty]

I wonder if it will get to the $575 million that some were predicting for it.

[DLibrasnow]

This chart gives inflation adjusted (in 2006 $'s) for all the Bond films:

http://www.klast.net/bond/boxoff.html

The chart shows that the $500 million mark has been passed several times before in the James Bond series -

From Russia With Love - $513.1 million
Goldfinger - $812.25 million
Thunderball - $903.98 million
You Only Live Twice - $673.61 million
Diamonds Are Forever - $577.42 million
Live and Let Die - $573.92 million
The Spy Who Loved Me - $616.78 million
Moonraker - $562.87 million

It also shows that for Casino Royale to beat Die Another Day in the United States, Criag's first 007 movie needs to take in $180.36 million.

[Jim]

This chart gives inflation adjusted (in 2006 $'s) for all the Bond films:

http://www.klast.net/bond/boxoff.html

The chart shows that the $500 million mark has been passed several times before in the James Bond series -

From Russia With Love - $513.1 million
Goldfinger - $812.25 million
Thunderball - $903.98 million
You Only Live Twice - $673.61 million
Diamonds Are Forever - $577.42 million
Live and Let Die - $573.92 million
The Spy Who Loved Me - $616.78 million
Moonraker - $562.87 million

It also shows that for Casino Royale to beat Die Another Day in the United States, Criag's first 007 movie needs to take in $180.36 million.

Didn't Thunderball make a lot? And thankfully the internet wasn't about in 1967 otherwise there would have been so much gnashing of teeth at a $230-odd million drop from the previous film. Bloody penguins.

Casino Royale the biggest Bond since Moonraker? Blimey.

[CJB]

This chart gives inflation adjusted (in 2006 $'s) for all the Bond films:

http://www.klast.net/bond/boxoff.html

The chart shows that the $500 million mark has been passed several times before in the James Bond series -

From Russia With Love - $513.1 million
Goldfinger - $812.25 million
Thunderball - $903.98 million
You Only Live Twice - $673.61 million
Diamonds Are Forever - $577.42 million
Live and Let Die - $573.92 million
The Spy Who Loved Me - $616.78 million
Moonraker - $562.87 million

It also shows that for Casino Royale to beat Die Another Day in the United States, Criag's first 007 movie needs to take in $180.36 million.

Wow, I knew Thunderball made a lot of money, but 900 million with inflation!? That's almost as much as what the Lord of the Rings movies were making.

Back on topic, well done to Casino Royale! It deserves every penny it made

[DLibrasnow]

This chart gives inflation adjusted (in 2006 $'s) for all the Bond films:

http://www.klast.net/bond/boxoff.html

The chart shows that the $500 million mark has been passed several times before in the James Bond series -

From Russia With Love - $513.1 million
Goldfinger - $812.25 million
Thunderball - $903.98 million
You Only Live Twice - $673.61 million
Diamonds Are Forever - $577.42 million
Live and Let Die - $573.92 million
The Spy Who Loved Me - $616.78 million
Moonraker - $562.87 million

It also shows that for Casino Royale to beat Die Another Day in the United States, Criag's first 007 movie needs to take in $180.36 million.

Wow, I knew Thunderball made a lot of money, but 900 million with inflation!? That's almost as much as what the Lord of the Rings movies were making.

I've seen Thunderball listed in many a reference book as the most successful movie of 1965.

[CJB]

This chart gives inflation adjusted (in 2006 $'s) for all the Bond films:

http://www.klast.net/bond/boxoff.html

The chart shows that the $500 million mark has been passed several times before in the James Bond series -

From Russia With Love - $513.1 million
Goldfinger - $812.25 million
Thunderball - $903.98 million
You Only Live Twice - $673.61 million
Diamonds Are Forever - $577.42 million
Live and Let Die - $573.92 million
The Spy Who Loved Me - $616.78 million
Moonraker - $562.87 million

It also shows that for Casino Royale to beat Die Another Day in the United States, Criag's first 007 movie needs to take in $180.36 million.

Wow, I knew Thunderball made a lot of money, but 900 million with inflation!? That's almost as much as what the Lord of the Rings movies were making.

I've seen Thunderball listed in many a reference book as the most successful movie of 1965.

It just goes to show how massive Bond was in the sixties.

[Blofeld's Cat]

So, this means Eon can afford to work back in England at Pinewood Studios?

[DamnCoffee]

Fantastic news nice to see Casino Royale beat Die another day at the Boxoffice and it hasn't even opened everywhere yet.

[K1Bond007]

This chart gives inflation adjusted (in 2006 $'s) for all the Bond films:

http://www.klast.net/bond/boxoff.html

The chart shows that the $500 million mark has been passed several times before in the James Bond series -

From Russia With Love - $513.1 million
Goldfinger - $812.25 million
Thunderball - $903.98 million
You Only Live Twice - $673.61 million
Diamonds Are Forever - $577.42 million
Live and Let Die - $573.92 million
The Spy Who Loved Me - $616.78 million
Moonraker - $562.87 million

It also shows that for Casino Royale to beat Die Another Day in the United States, Criag's first 007 movie needs to take in $180.36 million.

This list is screwed up. First off it says Diamonds Are Forever out grossed Live and Let Die. No it did not. In fact that list is quoting LALD's overseas numbers, not its worldwide gross (it's doing the same thing for OHMSS). The only films to beat LALD was FRWL, GF, and TB to my knowledge.

Furthermore, the source for this "inflation" listing is a cost of living calculator, but this is not the same thing and cannot be used to gauge inflation. Inflation is not a rise in the cost of living. I don't know all the particulars with that calculator - maybe the title is just misleading, I don't know. It doesn't really matter.

If you're really considering inflation then there are other films that had to have crossed that line. GoldenEye is one such possibility. But I don't buy any of the numbers that are in that link when concerning inflation. From Russia with Love for instance apparently only just crossed the 500 million barrier. Compare that to You Only Live Twice, a movie we know for a fact did less in admissions. Nothing sits right on that one.

[Blofeld's Cat]

Kinda strange that the big action setpiece towards the end is in a country that is one of the last to have the movie open in.

[English Agent]

This chart gives inflation adjusted (in 2006 $'s) for all the Bond films:

http://www.klast.net/bond/boxoff.html

The chart shows that the $500 million mark has been passed several times before in the James Bond series -

From Russia With Love - $513.1 million
Goldfinger - $812.25 million
Thunderball - $903.98 million
You Only Live Twice - $673.61 million
Diamonds Are Forever - $577.42 million
Live and Let Die - $573.92 million
The Spy Who Loved Me - $616.78 million
Moonraker - $562.87 million

It also shows that for Casino Royale to beat Die Another Day in the United States, Criag's first 007 movie needs to take in $180.36 million.

This list is screwed up. First off it says Diamonds Are Forever out grossed Live and Let Die. No it did not. In fact that list is quoting LALD's overseas numbers, not its worldwide gross (it's doing the same thing for OHMSS). The only films to beat LALD was FRWL, GF, and TB to my knowledge.

Furthermore, the source for this "inflation" listing is a cost of living calculator, but this is not the same thing and cannot be used to gauge inflation. Inflation is not a rise in the cost of living. I don't know all the particulars with that calculator - maybe the title is just misleading, I don't know. It doesn't really matter.

If you're really considering inflation then there are other films that had to have crossed that line. GoldenEye is one such possibility. But I don't buy any of the numbers that are in that link when concerning inflation. From Russia with Love for instance apparently only just crossed the 500 million barrier. Compare that to You Only Live Twice, a movie we know for a fact did less in admissions. Nothing sits right on that one.

I agree..........i have seen this list before and it is flawed.

Its not bad, but some of the data is incorrect.

Yes, LALD had a higher WW gross than DAF,
WW figure is in fact international figure.

As i have mentioned before newer Bond sources put THUNDERBALL's
US admissions at a little over 58 mil, this ties up with its US
gross and the cost of a ticket of slightly over $1 when the
film was played in 1966.

MOONRAKER's US gross has gone up and is now listed at $70mil.

I agree i have seen better judged inflation figures.

Edited by English Agent, 06 January 2007 - 10:28 AM.

[English Agent]

I agree i have seen better judged inflation figures.

I don't disagree with you .. but DR BROADBUSTER wants to see them

Its not quite that easy......... for the more reliable sources the info
is usually only obtained by having a subscription to the resource.
Generally its easier to get inflation figures for movies in the US market,
than worldwide figures, as US inflation would not necessary be
applicable to other countries.
'Boxofficemojo' do a good set of US adjusted boxoffice figures,
but you have to pay for it, and at present i am not subcribed.
I have contemplated putting the BO figures i have obtained over the
years into a chart.........now with all the arguments on the internet
over CR......i will probably get around to doing it.

If i find any decent adjusted figures i will post them on this site.

Edited by English Agent, 06 January 2007 - 11:18 AM.

[K1Bond007]

Worldwide numbers are almost impossible to calculate. I don't know how they do it because as you said US inflation is not applicable to other countries and not just that, but inflation doesn't affect every industry the same. People have cited inflation when trying to compare Die Another Day and Casino Royale, but this is a bunch of nonsense for that very reason. You can probably come up with some really nice estimates, but they're just estimates. You have to take all of it with a grain of salt. The same can be said for admissions. Thunderball was a huge behemoth, and people like to point this out and compare it to other films (like myself, it's fun), but times were also different. Population, cost of living, market growth, alternatives (DVD, on demand, cable television), etc etc. All of that effects the outcome and more.

Someone posted a list at BoxOfficeMojo that was used by Sony and MGM. It comes from a company called Exhibitor Relations Inc. I think these numbers are closer and this was for 2005 (worldwide).

1. Dr. No (1962) $478 million
2. From Russia With Love (1963) $631.8 million
3. Goldfinger (1964) $852.6 million
4. Thunderball (1965) $1.101 billion
5. You Only Live Twice (1967) $541.7 million
6. On Her Majesty's Secret Service (1969) $413.7 million
7. Diamonds Are Forever (1971) $466.1 million
8. Live And Let Die (1973) $607.3 million
9. The Man With The Golden Gun (1974) $342.1 million
10. The Spy Who Loved Me (1977) $551 million
11. Moonraker (1979) $564.2 million
12. For Your Eyes Only (1981) $466.1 million
13. Octopussy (1983) $394.5 million
14. A View to a Kill (1985) $284.4 million
15. The Living Daylights (1987) $324.2 million
16. Licence To Kill (1989) $259.2 million
17. GoldenEye (1995) $538.4 million
18. Tomorrow Never Dies (1997) $500.6 million
19. The World Is Not Enough (1999) $511.2 million
20. Die Another Day (2002) $521.1 million (This number is based on 456 million which is what MGM reports as its worldwide gross.)

[English Agent]

I agree i have seen better judged inflation figures.

I don't disagree with you .. but DR BROADBUSTER wants to see them

Its not quite that easy......... for the more reliable sources the info
is usually only obtained by having a subscription to the resource.
Generally its easier to get inflation figures for movies in the US market,
than worldwide figures, as US inflation would not necessary be
applicable to other countries.
'Boxofficemojo' do a good set of US adjusted boxoffice figures,
but you have to pay for it, and at present i am not subcribed.
I have contemplated putting the BO figures i have obtained over the
years into a chart.........now with all the arguments on the internet
over CR......i will probably get around to doing it.

If i find any decent adjusted figures i will post them on this site.

Worldwide numbers are almost impossible to calculate. I don't know how they do it because as you said US inflation is not applicable to other countries and not just that, but inflation doesn't affect every industry the same. People have cited inflation when trying to compare Die Another Day and Casino Royale, but this is a bunch of nonsense for that very reason. You can probably come up with some really nice estimates, but they're just estimates. You have to take all of it with a grain of salt. The same can be said for admissions. Thunderball was a huge behemoth, and people like to point this out and compare it to other films (like myself, it's fun), but times were also different. Population, cost of living, market growth, alternatives (DVD, on demand, cable television), etc etc. All of that effects the outcome and more.

Spot on...............its not an exact science, but as you said, its fun trying
to get a rough estimate.

(update)

Incidently CR is at $157,7 mil now in the US as at end of Friday.......despite
playing at a comparatively lower number of theatres to its competitors its getting
very good attendance towards the end of its run.

[SilencedPPK]

I'm actually going to see it again today. At my cinema they are only playing it twice. I'm a bit sad about that, but this just means that it's closer to being out on DVD!

[DamnCoffee]

4. Thunderball (1965) $1.101 billion

That cannot be right

[K1Bond007]

4. Thunderball (1965) $1.101 billion

That cannot be right

It's what I would guess it's at. You have to remember that Thunderball did twice the business that Casino Royale has thus far done. So if Royale is just now passing $500 million, guess who had to have passed $1 billion? Exactly.

My estimates for Royale are probably good ballpark. Worldwide

[SilencedPPK]

That is absolutely splendid!

[English Agent]

Worldwide numbers are almost impossible to calculate. I don't know how they do it because as you said US inflation is not applicable to other countries and not just that, but inflation doesn't affect every industry the same. People have cited inflation when trying to compare Die Another Day and Casino Royale, but this is a bunch of nonsense for that very reason. You can probably come up with some really nice estimates, but they're just estimates. You have to take all of it with a grain of salt. The same can be said for admissions. Thunderball was a huge behemoth, and people like to point this out and compare it to other films (like myself, it's fun), but times were also different. Population, cost of living, market growth, alternatives (DVD, on demand, cable television), etc etc. All of that effects the outcome and more.

Someone posted a list at BoxOfficeMojo that was used by Sony and MGM. It comes from a company called Exhibitor Relations Inc. I think these numbers are closer and this was for 2005 (worldwide).

1. Dr. No (1962) $478 million
2. From Russia With Love (1963) $631.8 million
3. Goldfinger (1964) $852.6 million
4. Thunderball (1965) $1.101 billion
5. You Only Live Twice (1967) $541.7 million
6. On Her Majesty's Secret Service (1969) $413.7 million
7. Diamonds Are Forever (1971) $466.1 million
8. Live And Let Die (1973) $607.3 million
9. The Man With The Golden Gun (1974) $342.1 million
10. The Spy Who Loved Me (1977) $551 million
11. Moonraker (1979) $564.2 million
12. For Your Eyes Only (1981) $466.1 million
13. Octopussy (1983) $394.5 million
14. A View to a Kill (1985) $284.4 million
15. The Living Daylights (1987) $324.2 million
16. Licence To Kill (1989) $259.2 million
17. GoldenEye (1995) $538.4 million
18. Tomorrow Never Dies (1997) $500.6 million
19. The World Is Not Enough (1999) $511.2 million
20. Die Another Day (2002) $521.1 million (This number is based on 456 million which is what MGM reports as its worldwide gross.)

Yes, i think this list is a much closer representation.
(but i'am not sure about the last 2 films, see below)

Exhibitor Relations Inc are the people who collect all the
worldwide box office figures, and they are the source for
the film trade media.

People today do not know how massive GF & TB were in the mid-sixties.

The only figures which i'am not sure of are the ones for DAD apparently
based on an MGM figure of $456.
Also does that mean this list is also based on the MGM figure of $390 mil
for TWINE.

Yet neither of these figures are reported by the film industry analysts,
who have the boxoffice tracking for DAD & TWINE reportedly as having finished
totals of $432 mil & $361.8 mil for these movies.
In fact i queried the boxoffice of TWINE with 'boxofficemojo' in 2000
while the film was playing in its last market i.e. Japan, and at the time
the film was listed as of having a final gross of $352 mil. I can therefore
believe the figure of $361.8 as that would of totted up all the final small
takings around the world........but a jump of $40 mil to $390 mil cant be right.

For the same reasons i don't think DAD's $456 mil is right.

[Fro]

With CR's $950k gross on Friday, CR should pass Die Another Day's US gross within the next week.

It'll probably net $1.5-2 million over the next couple days, and then it'll be within $1.5-1 million of DAD's total domestic gross.

Edited by Fro, 06 January 2007 - 07:54 PM.

[dinovelvet]

A bit off topic, but WOW - I had no idea LALD was so successful, the fourth biggest Bond of all time? And what's even more interesting is the huge dropoff in attendance for TMWTGG. Seems that people were mad for a taste of Roger Moore but didn't go back for seconds

[ambrosia]

Kinda strange that the big action setpiece towards the end is in a country that is one of the last to have the movie open in.

Don't forget the very last scene on Lake Cuomo where he utters the
line.