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[tambourineman]

Apologies in advance if this thread has been done, and it probably has but I searched and couldnt find it...

I was hoping everybody could help compile a list of the in-jokes and homages to older Bond movies throughout CR. I loved trying to catch all the little references, so much better then the in your face "DID YOU SEE IT!" stuff in DAD.

I'll get it started...

An Auric Goldfinger lookalike giving Bond the keys to his GOLD car. Even has the same accent!

The code words Bond and Vesper use on the train:
Vesper: "I'm the MONEY."
James: "Every PENNY of it."

Bond using the same lines as previous Bonds, such as "I wouldnt think of it".

That sort of stuff, theres heaps I missed Im sure.

[JCRendle]

Shaken or Stirred sir?
Do I look like I give a dam?

[kneelbeforezod]

The code words Bond and Vesper use on the train:
Vesper: "I'm the MONEY."
James: "Every PENNY of it."

Do most people agree that this is a Moneypenny reference? I don't think it is personally. Also is it generally accepted that they are "code words" in that conversation? Aren't they just talking?

[JCRendle]

I don't think it's a code as in

"do you have a match" "I use a lighter" "Better still" "until they go wrong"

but I do think it's a nod to Moneypenny.

[Dr. Noah]

Mathis saying "The calvalry won't be coming over the hill to save you," as a possible reference to the final scenes in the 60's CR.

[Nimsworth]

What's the name that Bond says is Vesper's codename? Something like "Miss Amplechest" or something like that that gets her all ticked off.

I loled at that one but for the life of me cant remember the name

[Stephenson]

Broadchest

[kneelbeforezod]

Stephanie Broadchest. That was a great line, and her reaction was priceless.

[VisualStatic]

The code words Bond and Vesper use on the train:
Vesper: "I'm the MONEY."
James: "Every PENNY of it."

Do most people agree that this is a Moneypenny reference? I don't think it is personally. Also is it generally accepted that they are "code words" in that conversation? Aren't they just talking?

I think Vesper is just introducing herself, with Bond commenting back on her beauty, since he gives her the once over as he says it.

Was it meant as a reference to Monneypenny, not sure, but it was a subtle way to do it, if it was. I, personally, thought it was, without being blatant about it.

Edited by VisualStatic, 21 December 2006 - 04:09 PM.

[Judo chop]

Never noticed the "Money" "Penny" reference, if it is a reference.

I stand on the side of "yea". I can't believe that's coincidence.

[thecasinoroyale]

I don't think they would stoop CR low enough to jest other films, and since Vesper is playing a Treasury Agent responsible for money, she is stating that she IS the money, ie any money Bond needs, she is the key to it (ironic really!).

And as a penny is the lowest amount, you can have lots and lots of pennies in money amonts which means you're worth it all, lots and lots of it.

Hence she is the money agent, and to Bond she is worth all the money she can give and is every penny attractive and smart to him.

[Double-O-Kevin]

I already posted this in another thread, but in the falling house scene in Venice, there's a time when Bond is waiting around a corner and he sees the reflection of the henchmen in the broken glass. I instantly thought of Goldfinger (when Bond is kissing that girl and sees the reflection of the baddie in her eyes) when I watched CR for the first time (out of four, lol).

I thought that was pretty cool. Tip of the cap, EON.

Edited by Double-O-Kevin, 21 December 2006 - 06:33 PM.

[Brock Samson]

I don't think they would stoop CR low enough to jest other films

I'd call the 'Stephanie Broadchest' line a direct jab at some of the more colourful names used in the past.

[kneelbeforezod]

I don't think they would stoop CR low enough to jest other films, and since Vesper is playing a Treasury Agent responsible for money, she is stating that she IS the money, ie any money Bond needs, she is the key to it (ironic really!).

And as a penny is the lowest amount, you can have lots and lots of pennies in money amonts which means you're worth it all, lots and lots of it.

Hence she is the money agent, and to Bond she is worth all the money she can give and is every penny attractive and smart to him.

Yeah, clearly that is the meaning, I think everyone gets that, its just that some also think its a Moneypenny reference. But I agree with you, I don't think it is.

What would be the point of making such a subtle, and frankly weak, reference? It's not the kind of film where they would think "oo, heres a chance to put the words "money" and "penny" fairly close together for a reference!". It doesn't make any sense.

I don't think they would stoop CR low enough to jest other films

I'd call the 'Stephanie Broadchest' line a direct jab at some of the more colourful names used in the past.

Oh absolutely, and it's a witty way of doing it. But randomly shoving the words "money" and "penny" into 2 consecutive lines is not at all witty. It's just coincidence.

[Blofeld's Cat]

My immediate reaction to the "money" and "penny" conversation was that it was a reference to Moneypenny.

If it was written by Haggis it wouldn't be I'm sure, but by P&W?.....

[DaveBond21]

Another one is M commenting on how she misses the Cold War, in direct contrast to her opinion of it, in Goldeneye, when she calls Bond a "relic of the Cold War".

[Cody]

Just some similarities, intentional or not, I saw while watching Dr. No last night -

Dr. No - Bond comes home to find Sylvia Trench in his flat. Next scene is him flying in to Jamaica.
Casino Royale - M comes home to find Bond in her flat. Next scene is him flying in to the Bahamas.

Dr. No - Bond gets a package delivered at the hotel desk and has a car waiting in the lot.
Casino Royale - Bond gets packages delivered at the hotel desk and has a car waiting in the lot.

[Vauxhall]

I too believed the "money" and "penny" line to be a subtle nod to Miss Moneypenny - it would be too much of a coincidence to be anything else. I seem to be in a minority in believing that particular exchange was two code phrases being exchanged, just as in the earlier Bond movies and several of the novels. Anyone else have that view?

[Cody]

I just took it as an introduction of sorts and a quip in reply.

[vicbond]

I noticed a few of the references to the past films. The cold war reference I thought of M's Relic speach and the Money Penny Line I did think of Miss Monepenny and that it was a code for ID. So I can't imagine they were not planned. Too weird if not.

Edited by vicbond, 22 December 2006 - 02:46 AM.

[tambourineman]

I think the Money/Penny thing was definately a reference. Was it even that subtle? Bond emphasises the word "penny". Even my girlfriend, who isnt a fan but has been forced by me to sit through many a Bond movie whispered in my ear "ha, Moneypenny!". So I really dont think it was subtle. If it wasnt a reference, its a rather lame exchange. I definately think they threw it in there for the fans.

Another one - In venice Bond electrocutes a henchman by pulling a cable out of a wall and putting it to his chest. The same thing he did (or will do...) to Oddjob in Goldfinger.

Edited by tambourineman, 22 December 2006 - 05:45 AM.

[kneelbeforezod]

I think the Money/Penny thing was definately a reference. Was it even that subtle? Bond emphasises the word "penny". Even my girlfriend, who isnt a fan but has been forced by me to sit through many a Bond movie whispered in my ear "ha, Moneypenny!". So I really dont think it was subtle. If it wasnt a reference, its a rather lame exchange. I definately think they threw it in there for the fans.

Weird, I have the exact opposite view: the exchange makes perfect sense without it being a reference. The whole scene is beautifully written, surely the work of Haggis, and it just doesn't make sense to me that he would reference Moneypenny simply by dropping in the words money and penny... it's so lame.

Still, each to his own, and I must have stated my position on this about 5 times now so I'll shut up

[bonds_walther]

I think there are moments in Casino Royale which you could pick apart and say, "Yes, that's a reference to Bond moment XX from XX film." The important thing to remember is that there are many moments in many different Bond films where some subtle (and not so subtle) references are made to previous films. This is one part of the Bond tradition that Casino Royale carries forward.

[stamper]

Just some similarities, intentional or not, I saw while watching Dr. No last night -

Dr. No - Bond comes home to find Sylvia Trench in his flat. Next scene is him flying in to Jamaica.
Casino Royale - M comes home to find Bond in her flat. Next scene is him flying in to the Bahamas.

I think you got it wrong, the Dr No nod is when he leaves for Miami, "just as things were getting interesting again..."

[thecasinoroyale]

I think people are taking common occurences in Bond films as nods to other ones now. 44 years and 20 films on, Casino Royale is bound to stay and tred on familiar occurences that Bond does, such as similar ways of doings things, asking for things and arranging things.

I didn't see anything that happened as a nod to other Bond films in particular. And I can't still see why the words money and penny, in a conversation with a Treasurey Agent about money are making people think about M's secretary. It was totally out of context and location. A better 'nod' to her would be from M, or Viellers (sp) or at least in MI6 even, not on a Eurostar train out of the country.

[stamper]

At one moment, Bond walks ! Can't you see the nod ! He walks in all the previous 20 movies.

[dodge]

At one moment, Bond walks ! Can't you see the nod ! He walks in all the previous 20 movies.

You walk on water. You're so right. I'd never once have thought of that. And on two occasions he utters the simple answer "No." The second time, to drive home the reference to Connery's first film, he clearly emphasizes: "No."

[DLibrasnow]

I don't think they would stoop CR low enough to jest other films, and since Vesper is playing a Treasury Agent responsible for money, she is stating that she IS the money, ie any money Bond needs, she is the key to it (ironic really!).

And as a penny is the lowest amount, you can have lots and lots of pennies in money amonts which means you're worth it all, lots and lots of it.

Hence she is the money agent, and to Bond she is worth all the money she can give and is every penny attractive and smart to him.

Thats the way I took it....I don'think it's a reference to Moneypenny at all.

I think fans are just reading waaaay too much into the dialogue. Kinda like those fans who insisted that Clive Owen was going to play 007 since he said he was going to be "very busy."

[stamper]

He wears a tux at one point ! Just like Connery in Dr No ! He even eat FOOD ! When was the last time you saw Bond eat Food ? Is this a nod ? i'm not sure.

[tambourineman]

I didn't see anything that happened as a nod to other Bond films in particular.

Surely you cant mean that you dont think anything was a reference to past Bond films? You dont think that someone who looks a lot like Goldfinger, sounds like Goldfinger, wears Goldfinger type clothing and drives a gold coloured car was just coincidence? Same with the "Stephanie Broadchest" thing, I'd call that a pretty obvious reference to Pussy Galore, Holly Goodhead and co. And the line at the end was of course referencing the other movies. As with the silver Astin Martin DB5, a very obvious reference.

Edited by tambourineman, 23 December 2006 - 02:39 AM.