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[bogard]

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Daniel Craig Discusses 'Bond 22' Villain Possibilities

SPECTRE to return? | *SPOILERS*

According to IGN Daniel Craig recently stated that for Bond 22 Spectre might return. Is this possible? Aren't there any legal rumblings with Kevin McClory that have to be resolved in order to make this happen?

I certainly wouldn't mind Spectre to return (brings back lovely memories of FRWL and TB). Perhaps they could finally do the Blofeld trilogy justice.

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[K1Bond007]

I don't think anyone knows.

I assume McClory still has a hold of SPECTRE. Doesn't stop them from doing something similar. There are other unused "evil organizations" in the world of Bond that can be used or adjusted to suit this purpose. The other day I was thinking of a SPECTRE-like organization headed by the twin brothers Jack and Seraffimo Spang. Imagine that.. especially if Bond is able to kill one in Bond 22. Leaves a door open for Bond 23. (For those that haven't read the novels, the Spangs head up The Spangled Mob in Diamonds Are Forever. I think that org crops up in The Man with the Golden Gun and maybe mentioned in Goldfinger. I can't remember)

[00Twelve]

EON now has control of all McClory's previous claims, including Thunderball, so Blofeld and SPECTRE. I'd be surprised if that's the way we go on this story arc, since it must deal with Tracy, and I'd be doubly shocked and more than a little dismayed to have the Tracy story done again this soon.

[K1Bond007]

EON now has control of all McClory's previous claims, including Thunderball, so Blofeld and SPECTRE.

You heard this from... where?

[00Twelve]

All the news reports after the lawsuit was won by EON, which gave them all McClory's previous holdings. This was after the whole Warhead 2000 junk.

[whitesox]

All the news reports after the lawsuit was won by EON, which gave them all McClory's previous holdings. This was after the whole Warhead 2000 junk.

Right.

[K1Bond007]

All the news reports after the lawsuit was won by EON, which gave them all McClory's previous holdings. This was after the whole Warhead 2000 junk.

That was a different lawsuit. Sony and McClory sued MGM/EON saying that he (McClory) co-wrote the cinematic version of Bond and he was owed fees. He lost.

I still don't know what you're talking about. Perhaps you could cite a source?

[TheREAL008]

But the thought of SPECTRE returning isn't really a bad idea...especially in this current political climate.

[00Twelve]

See, when he lost that lawsuit, he lost what he was holding as well. My sources were James Bond sites like this one. Maybe it was this one. Check past news postings here, I suppose. And possibly newspapers. I'm sorry, I cannot remember every source, so I know that must diminish my credibility for you. Double check with the mods and/or admins. I promise, I'm not making this up...Thunderball now belongs to EON (the film, not just the distribution), NSNA (which was never theirs) now belongs to EON, and SPECTRE and Blofeld fall under the Thunderball rights.

[K1Bond007]

See, when he lost that lawsuit, he lost what he was holding as well. My sources were James Bond sites like this one. Maybe it was this one. Check past news postings here, I suppose. And possibly newspapers. I'm sorry, I cannot remember every source, so I know that must diminish my credibility for you. Double check with the mods and/or admins. I promise, I'm not making this up...Thunderball now belongs to EON (the film, not just the distribution), NSNA (which was never theirs) now belongs to EON, and SPECTRE and Blofeld fall under the Thunderball rights.

It didn't happen. Not to my knowledge and I've researched this enough. All that essentially happened was Sony gave up the right to make future Bond films (until it bought a portion of MGM). Thunderball is still McClory's baby. If EON owned the rights, (and this is just one example) ask yourself why a video game that came out last year removed all mention and logos of SPECTRE and replaced it with a new and unheard of criminal organization. I'm open to the idea that Thunderball reverted back to EON (there are some claims that McClory's rights have expired), but I don't believe it to be true. I've never seen any evidence to suggest that McClory gave it up or EON somehow got it back.

[00Twelve]

Ok, wait. Checking back. I admit error in my last post. My apologies. It's true, EON has only distribution rights to NSNA, not film rights, but it appears that after McClory aligned himself with Sony, Sony has the rights to McClory's material. The beautiful thing is, after McClory was defeated and lost rights to make Bond films, and Sony retained rights to what he possessed, Sony is now with EON. So, Now Sony/EON are claiming still that McClory's rights have expired. Don't know if it's toally true, either. Maybe the reports I first heard several years ago were spun a bit. God knows that's rampant. That's as much as I know. Sorry to go off "half-cocked," as it were.

[Mister Asterix]

See, when he lost that lawsuit, he lost what he was holding as well. My sources were James Bond sites like this one. Maybe it was this one. Check past news postings here, I suppose. And possibly newspapers. I'm sorry, I cannot remember every source, so I know that must diminish my credibility for you. Double check with the mods and/or admins. I promise, I'm not making this up...Thunderball now belongs to EON (the film, not just the distribution), NSNA (which was never theirs) now belongs to EON, and SPECTRE and Blofeld fall under the Thunderball rights.

It didn't happen. Not to my knowledge and I've researched this enough. All that essentially happened was Sony gave up the right to make future Bond films (until it bought a portion of MGM). Thunderball is still McClory's baby. If EON owned the rights, (and this is just one example) ask yourself why a video game that came out last year removed all mention and logos of SPECTRE and replaced it with a new and unheard of criminal organization. I'm open to the idea that Thunderball reverted back to EON (there are some claims that McClory's rights have expired), but I don't believe it to be true. I've never seen any evidence to suggest that McClory gave it up or EON somehow got it back.

[mra]I agree. I believe McClory

[00Twelve]

BTW, don't overlook my last post (I looked back and realized my error...).

So, are the rights just McClory's until Jesus comes, or just until he dies? (Sorry, I guess I'm just sick of McClory's crap...he really should move on while he can.)

[K1Bond007]

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See, when he lost that lawsuit, he lost what he was holding as well. My sources were James Bond sites like this one. Maybe it was this one. Check past news postings here, I suppose. And possibly newspapers. I'm sorry, I cannot remember every source, so I know that must diminish my credibility for you. Double check with the mods and/or admins. I promise, I'm not making this up...Thunderball now belongs to EON (the film, not just the distribution), NSNA (which was never theirs) now belongs to EON, and SPECTRE and Blofeld fall under the Thunderball rights.
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It didn't happen. Not to my knowledge and I've researched this enough. All that essentially happened was Sony gave up the right to make future Bond films (until it bought a portion of MGM). Thunderball is still McClory's baby. If EON owned the rights, (and this is just one example) ask yourself why a video game that came out last year removed all mention and logos of SPECTRE and replaced it with a new and unheard of criminal organization. I'm open to the idea that Thunderball reverted back to EON (there are some claims that McClory's rights have expired), but I don't believe it to be true. I've never seen any evidence to suggest that McClory gave it up or EON somehow got it back.
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[mra]I agree. I believe McClory

[JackUnion]

are we missing something here...didn't McClory go to Sony to make NSNA? And then again for a subsequent follow up. I feel like McClory's endeavors to keep the rights from EON may have just folded...now that Sony owns the Production Company's that make Bond...could it be possible that Sony's Almighty corporate wieght...just shifted the rights over.

[K1Bond007]

are we missing something here...didn't McClory go to Sony to make NSNA? And then again for a subsequent follow up. I feel like McClory's endeavors to keep the rights from EON may have just folded...now that Sony owns the Production Company's that make Bond...could it be possible that Sony's Almighty corporate wieght...just shifted the rights over.

Never Say Never Again was with Warner Bros. Warhead 2000AD (or so it's generally referred to as) was going to be financed by Sony, but they never owned the rights themselves to the Thunderball scripts. That has always been McClory.

Also just to nitpick, Sony does not own the production company (EON). That's mostly just a very lucrative distribution deal through MGM. EON is owned by the Broccoli family - mainly Barbara.

[Mike00spy]

Putting copyright aside, what is the board's opinion of seeing SPECTRE return?


I'm kinda mixed about it. I dont want to see any Bond movies remade (or Tracy being re-introduced)

They could, though, bring SPECTRE back without Blofeld by having him in the same mold as FRWL and TB. This would be a way of adding some continuity (if it still matters) to the series.

[K1Bond007]

Putting copyright aside, what is the board's opinion of seeing SPECTRE return?

I'm indifferent. I'm not sure I want another Blofeld. Great character, but if they tried, they could do better. There's a certain amount of fantasy with SPECTRE that I'm not sure would be appropriate. Right off the bat they'd have to reinvent it to bring it into this century and make it more realistic and fresh. Also Austin Powers kind of ruined SPECTRE You know?

[JackUnion]

I'm not forseeing a trumped up version of SPECTRE...I'm seeing a new world SPECTRE...Very corporate at the front...but ugly at the back...just shadowy men doing dirty deeds behind the shield of a multi-billion dollar company, all headed by one man...a very smart, but very private man...I see Fleming's Blofeld more placable now. Read On Her Majesty's Secret Service and Thunderball, you'll see what I mean. No more noob army in lame matching stuff. Like I want to see the scene where Blofeld has one of his men killed for rapping one of their kidnap victims, and Blofeld calmly claiming...'It was not mere morality why he was killed...but the tarnish he has sustained on our good business practice.'

[Qwerty]

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Daniel Craig Discusses 'Bond 22' Villain Possibilities

_{SPECTRE to return? | *SPOILERS*}

[yolt13]

Well, this topic does run the risk of starting another round of "Does it fit in the same timeline or is CR the beginning of a new timeline?" (For the record, I think the film makes it pretty clear...), but my answer is "Yes! I'd love to see SPECTRE brought back." Why not?

[tdalton]

I'm a bit unsure as to whether or not I'd like to see SPECTRE in a Daniel Craig Bond movie. If they were to do so, I think that they would have to reboot that organization as well, and go with a total overhaul of the Blofeld character. After the Austin Powers films, I'm not sure that anyone would take seriously a man who just sat in a chair while petting a white cat. I think that they would have to go one of two routes, the first being a complete reinvention of the Blofeld character, or the second, being SPECTRE with a different character acting in the leadership role.

[sharpshooter]

I think they wont rule it out, it is a possibility, but it wont happen.

[MR. BOND 93]

I hope they just make their own new little organization.

Hmmm... maybe they could call it 'Ellipsis'?

[dee-bee-five]

God, I hope they don't return to SPECTRE and Blofeld. It's in the past (or future???) and should stay there.

[Mr Teddy Bear]

Short answer is 'yes' with an 'if', long answer is 'no' with a 'but'.

You'd think if he died it would revert back to Danjaq/EON. Depends on how all that is set up in the settlement, UK copyright law etc. I really have no idea.

Finger's crossed.

[Jim]

Old hat.

We have a new hat now.

"An organisation" is evident from Casino Royale but I hope they can come up with something a little more inspired as to its nature. Something like SPECTRE as initially written - a facilitator of other people's terror (and this does seem to be suggested by Casino Royale) - would be fun but an organisation constantly wishing to take over the world - it'd be a bit silly.

Unless it's The Bilderberg Group.

[dee-bee-five]

Old hat.

We have a new hat now.

And doesn't it suit us?

[Max Zorin]

Personally, I'd love to see SPECTRE, and even Blofeld's return. I mean, they all ready re-introduced Bond, right? Well, why not re-introduce Bond's arch-nemesis? Make SPECTRE more of a real world threat, like someone mentioned above. Devious corporation with shady dealings. And make a new Blofeld, for this generation. Hell, go back and use Fleming's version of the man, since we've yet to see that on screen. I would love to see this.

Old hat? Maybe.

But if they re-introduced Sherlock Holmes, wouldn't you want to see Moriarty? Or, in more current terms, the Batman Begins sequel is going to give us a re-imagined Joker. So why can't we see ol' Ernst again?

[Double-Oh Agent]

Like I said in the mystery organization thread, the idea of a return of SPECTRE is intriguing but I think I would prefer not to see it happen. Give us a new organization name that does much the same thing as the SPECTRE of the novels did. It shouldn't be too hard to come up with a good name for the creative teams. (I posted a few suggestions of my own.) Besides, the name SPECTRE already comes with a known identity. We know what to expect from such an organization. A different one, on the other hand, leaves open a whole new range of possibilities.