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We know that James Bond will return, but will Paul Haggis?


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#1 Bucky

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Posted 19 November 2006 - 03:25 AM

do you think they will have paul haggis return to do another screenplay polish for bond 22? one of my favorite things of casino royale was the dialogue between the characters because it really helped us care about them. i hope he comes back to provide the next one with similar dialogue so it doesnt return to the typical juvenile conversations we got in the brosnan era

#2 capungo

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Posted 19 November 2006 - 03:38 AM

He better, or else we may be in trouble. Many interviews with Wade and Purvis point suggest that they wrote a more dark script, but I think the key difference on this one was Haggis. So yeah, I hope EON does everything they can to keep him around for a while.

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Posted 19 November 2006 - 05:53 AM

I hope he stays on as well. You can tell that his imput made it a much better movie

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Posted 19 November 2006 - 07:46 AM

Paul Haggis's influence is stamped all over the movie. The wittier dialogue, the seamlessly integrated characterization bits, the infusion of genuine depth to the proceedings. To go back to what Purvis & Wade were doing in the Brosnan era would be a genuine tragedy. Certainly Haggis genuinely likes doing this sort of stuff, that if Purvis & Wade still continue to develop a plot skeleton for Haggis to give muscle to, then he certainly can't say no....

#5 Vauxhall

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Posted 19 November 2006 - 07:58 AM

Would be brilliant to have him stay on. If Purvis and Wade can create a decent outline for the story, I think Haggis can once more do the necessary polishing. Let us just hope he can be persuaded. It would certainly be nice to see.

#6 Qwerty

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Posted 19 November 2006 - 08:00 AM

I'd be happy if we saw Haggis stay at least for Bond 22. He did an oustanding job with Casino Royale. :)

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Posted 19 November 2006 - 04:43 PM

Well if it makes any difference, remember Craig wouldn't have done CR had it not been for the script. Perhaps, they'll keep Haggis or somebody of or near his caliber around to polish the scripts so that Craig will give it his all again. I realize Craig is under contract now but it seems to me like he has some kind of say or input into the script or movie making process.

#8 Double-0-Seven

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Posted 19 November 2006 - 05:14 PM

I would love for him to return, and really hope he does. He did a great job with the Casino Royale script. :)

#9 Von Hammerstein

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Posted 20 November 2006 - 04:35 PM

I'd rather see Haggis write the script without any "interference" from Purvis and Wade, New Bond, New Bond writers please.

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Posted 20 November 2006 - 04:39 PM

What happened to the news a while back that Tom Stoppard was going to be involved in scripting Bond 22? Just a rumour?

I hope he *does* make it onboard - the man is a genius, and could help in the move to make scripts more coherent and dare I say it - dramatically engaging.

Edited by mailedfist, 20 November 2006 - 04:40 PM.


#11 K1Bond007

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Posted 20 November 2006 - 09:28 PM

Stoppard was just a rumor. Nobody knows if he's actually on board.

Thus far the writers that have been mentioned as writing it include:
  • Neal Purvis (officially announced 2005 - appears to still be the case)
  • Robert Wade (officially announced 2005 - appears to still be the case)
  • Michael G. Wilson (rumored: based on a story idea)
  • Tom Stoppard (rumored)
  • Richard Curtis (rumored)


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Posted 22 November 2006 - 05:57 PM

From what I recall, Paul Haggis most brought on board to help develop Vesper's character and the relationship between her and Bond. Having not read any form of the script, how significant was his contribution? More importantly, do you think that Purvis/Wade can be trusted to write a Bond movie on their own again?

If Haggis isn't involved in 22, will we be subjected to more cookie cutter characters and dialogue next time?

- Chris

Edited by Frostyak, 22 November 2006 - 06:01 PM.


#13 Bucky

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Posted 22 November 2006 - 06:15 PM

i hope they bring in some credible like haggis again for the next film to do a polish if they dont bring him in again

#14 Qwerty

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Posted 22 November 2006 - 09:19 PM

Topics merged.

#15 Vauxhall

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Posted 22 November 2006 - 09:29 PM

Well the chances are that CASINO ROYALE maybe has a decent chance of being nominated for Best Adapted Screenplay or some such similar category at the Oscars. Any success during the awards season may be suitable encouragement for Haggis to return.

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Posted 23 November 2006 - 02:07 AM

I believe the main reason for Casino Royale being as good as it was, was the amazing script and dialogue (eventhough Craigs acting was way better than I expected). If haggis doesnt come back(which would be a shame) EON should get better writers, because that is what makes these films memorable. The great plots and storylines is what made the franchise, the films lost the way recently and now just got back on the right track. It would be a huge diservice to the fans and moviegoing public if EON invests more in special affects and gadgets rather than good storylines and writers.

#17 TheREAL008

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Posted 23 November 2006 - 05:30 AM

If Haggis goes then Purvis and Wade should also. Maybe with the new direction...new writers should get onboard also.

#18 JimmyBond

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Posted 23 November 2006 - 05:33 AM

If Haggis goes then Purvis and Wade should also. Maybe with the new direction...new writers should get onboard also.



Here here, Purvis and Wade are past their sell by date. They don't have the consistency like Maibaum had, wish they'd go. I include David Arnold in that sentiment as well, not that I don't like him, it's just time for someone new to give us something different.

#19 blueman

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Posted 23 November 2006 - 06:56 AM

P&W are reportedly already working on Bond 22. I would imagine EON will bring in someone--maybe Haggis, maybe somebody else--for the polish. At least I hope they will, and that what Haggis brought to CR is not lost on them.

#20 Simon

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Posted 23 November 2006 - 02:55 PM

Here here, Purvis and ........


Where, where?!

#21 RazorBlade

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Posted 24 November 2006 - 06:36 AM

I think getting new writers is the best idea. I like Scott Rosenberg. Know him personally and know for a fact he would love to tackle bond. So would Shane Black. How about Doug Petrie? He wrote most of the cool Spike eps for Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Once again, solid character development, cool dialogue and cinematic action. Can't beat it son.

#22 JimmyBond

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Posted 24 November 2006 - 08:10 PM


Here here, Purvis and ........


Where, where?!


Touche. For some reason I always mispell "hear hear" not sure why.

So would Shane Black.


Interesting. His violent action scripts might just work with Craig's Bond, but what about the classy party of Bond? Maybe pair shane up with a Bruce Fierstien or Purvis and Wade perhaps?

Dang, now that you mentioned that it's really damn intriguing, I'd love to see what he'd do with Bond.

#23 FilmNerdJamie

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Posted 24 November 2006 - 10:20 PM

Haggis is a big question mark for Bond 2 b/c his position in Hollywood has changed since his Royale writing stinct.

Now he's an Oscar-winning filmmaker behind consecutive 'Best Picture' winners. So unless he's passionate about continuing with the Bond films and/or the Broccolis are willing to up his paycheck, I would guess that Haggis won't return...

#24 Skudor

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Posted 24 November 2006 - 10:30 PM

Haggis is a big question mark for Bond 2 b/c his position in Hollywood has changed since his Royale writing stinct.

Now he's an Oscar-winning filmmaker behind consecutive 'Best Picture' winners. So unless he's passionate about continuing with the Bond films and/or the Broccolis are willing to up his paycheck, I would guess that Haggis won't return...


It would certainly be a major thing if they did manage to retain him.

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Posted 24 November 2006 - 10:35 PM

Now he's an Oscar-winning filmmaker behind consecutive 'Best Picture' winners. So unless he's passionate about continuing with the Bond films and/or the Broccolis are willing to up his paycheck, I would guess that Haggis won't return...


I would say if EON want another critical hit on their hands, then they need to start opening the wallet a bit more and paying the man what he wants.

#26 FilmNerdJamie

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Posted 24 November 2006 - 10:38 PM

From his "Sunday Morning Shootout" interview, Haggis apppears to want to continue his writing jobs with Clint Eastwood (i.e. Million Dollar Baby and Flags of Our Fathers). And obviously, he's going to focus more as a writer/director and probably do more "script-doctor" work on the side.

But my prediction is his current Hollywood position (i.e. ego) will be what stops him from writing Bond 2. But I could be wrong! ! !

#27 shadytreewejustdoredyouract

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Posted 25 November 2006 - 11:29 AM


If Haggis goes then Purvis and Wade should also. Maybe with the new direction...new writers should get onboard also.



Here here, Purvis and Wade are past their sell by date. They don't have the consistency like Maibaum had, wish they'd go. I include David Arnold in that sentiment as well, not that I don't like him, it's just time for someone new to give us something different.



I disagree about moving on from David Arnold - in all honesty he's only had two scores where he's had complete control - TWINE and Casino Royale - and he did a great job on both.

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Posted 25 November 2006 - 02:00 PM

Its not so much absence lack of Haggis that concerns me for Bond 22 as the absence of Fleming. Working from an original novel steered the script away from the usual mad billionaire and A-bomb scenario. The first half of Casino Royale is high quality action fare, but its in the second half we get the dramatic meat that makes this Bond stand out from the recent ones. DAD read like the script to a comic book, while CR feels more grownup.

So yes to more Haggis. Yes to less Purvis & Wade. But its Fleming who I think will be hardest to replace.

#29 Simon

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Posted 26 November 2006 - 11:45 PM



Here here, Purvis and ........


Where, where?!


Touche. For some reason I always mispell "hear hear" not sure why.


And misspelling 'mispell' really is the wrong word to erm, incorrectly type.

But I'll stop now - really must find other things to write about.

Sorry.

#30 MR. BOND 93

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Posted 26 November 2006 - 11:49 PM

I'd be happy if we saw Haggis stay at least for Bond 22. He did an oustanding job with Casino Royale. :)

Agreed.