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[Mr Woodpigeon]

Interesting this.

Hi there everyone ,
I saw the film last night and must say it's miles too long.There's no way I could sit through that again ! I class myself as Bond fan but not a fanatic and can see the diehard fans loving it and the masses being bored after about an hour and a half. Saying that Daniel Craig is brilliant as Bond and Eva Green is very good aswell.It is like no other Bond film before
and that's not always a good thing ,alot of the time it is though and I like the style of it .Theme song rubbish ,as they all have been since "Nobody Does It Better" and came out of the cinema feeling tried and and bit dissapointed .
It's only an opinion.

2-XS-IF, why did you feel the need to post under a new alt?

[Mike00spy]

The negative posts are interesting.

The reviews on here are offering coherent, in depth opinions. Why are these two reviews short jabs?

I've always found it easier to criticize a movie myself than to simply praise it.

So can these 2 negative reviews actually write something explaining why? or are they simply from another web site?

Edited by Mike00spy, 16 November 2006 - 02:58 PM.

[London Calling]

No not them,
bimey!
so sorry i agreed with the other post
what nasty people you lot are

[Mr Woodpigeon]

No not them,
bimey!
so sorry i agreed with the other post
what nasty people you lot are

[Red Barchetta]

Dempsey & Makepeace was fing brilliant!

roflmao!!!

[Zorin Industries]

Daniel Craig would make a great James Bond when they make a real Bond film.
This was action movie with some action in it, but thats all.

No - you're all right. Eon should stop regenerating the series and just settle on making THE SPY WHO LOVED ME for the seventh time. I don't know why they think moving with the times - audiences, narrative developments and film culture - is the answer. They clearly don't know what they're doing as the weekend's global box office figures come in.

Please....Grow up. Hate the film by all means. But to say it's not a Bond film is childish, misguided and smacks of fan-boy preciousness.

The box office figures will be great it is a new Bond in a new film.
Die hard fans will like it?? But there are not enough about to keep Bond going, It's the mass public they have to keep happy, not Bond fans on web sites.

And the "mass public" (which demographically don't exist) will love the film as it is first and foremost a great adventure film before it is a great Bond film. I saw it with a few non-fans and they were bowled over by it.

[erniecureo]

Interesting. I'll throw in my two cents:

As many of you know, I liked the film. Was it the best film I've ever seen? Nope. Was it the best Bond film I've ever seen? Nope. Does it matter? Nope.

We should remember that film is art (lowbrow, highbrow, whatever), and that art is subjective. Some people love Monet, some people love velvet Elvis paintings. Therefore, my opinion of the film is correct. So is yours. So is 2-XS-IF's.

We don't have to agree, and we don't have to dictate to 2-XS-IF what makes a good review. What I think we DO need to do is to let this poster express his opinion (especially as it was done respectfully--but even that is not a requirement) without jumping down his throat.

If everyone agreed about everything Bond on these forums, it'd be a pretty boring place. Hell, if we all agreed on everything, the WORLD would be a pretty boring place!

One question, though, for 2-XS-IF: What did you think of the casino extras? Me, I thought they were brilliant!

[dee-bee-five]

No not them,
bimey!
so sorry i agreed with the other post
what nasty people you lot are

The hostility is caused not by your agreeing with another poster; nor, indeed, your supposedly not liking the film. It is prompted by the scent of your making a deliberately provocative statement with your first post with the sole intention of winding people up.

If you genuinely didn't like the film and don't want to sit through it again, fine. As far as I'm aware there aren't press gangs roaming the streets forcing you to watch the movie. But the buzz after the screening I attended last night was overwhelmingly positive, so it would appear you're in the minority.

Edited by dee-bee-five, 16 November 2006 - 04:03 PM.

[Zorin Industries]

Interesting thread, which should bring this point : what defines a bond film, to most people ?

No, this is not the right time to discuss what defines a bond film. We have a new Bondfilm in the cinemas and a majority of the Bondfans will love the "new" film (and all old Bondfilms that are similar to the "new" film). I call it "the last-film-syndrome".

Well, God, if DIE ANOTHER DAY was the last Bond film then the backlash when comparing it to CASINO ROYALE is completely justified.

Hi there everyone ,
I saw the film last night and must say it's miles too long.There's no way I could sit through that again ! I class myself as Bond fan but not a fanatic and can see the diehard fans loving it and the masses being bored after about an hour and a half. Saying that Daniel Craig is brilliant as Bond and Eva Green is very good aswell.It is like no other Bond film before
and that's not always a good thing ,alot of the time it is though and I like the style of it .Theme song rubbish ,as they all have been since "Nobody Does It Better" and came out of the cinema feeling tried and and bit dissapointed .
It's only an opinion.

And mine, I am not the only one.

I feel it is far from too long. The African Chase could have been chopped as the Miami scene serves the same narrative purpose and does so more dramatically. But, a film that has the heart and soul of Paul Haggis can never be too long. It is just structured differently in a cinematic world that demands three acts with a beginning, middle and end to please every common denominator in the popcorn fuelled audience. Hitchcock said a good film indeed has a beginning, middle and end - though not necessarily in that order. CASINO ROYALE respects that notion. To say it is too long is to completely miss the emotional heartbeat of the film and to worry more about car chases and destroying hollowed out volcanoes. Structurally it is the bravest of any Bond film and I think it pulls off its gambles.

Interesting. I'll throw in my two cents:

As many of you know, I liked the film. Was it the best film I've ever seen? Nope. Was it the best Bond film I've ever seen? Nope. Does it matter? Nope.

We should remember that film is art (lowbrow, highbrow, whatever), and that art is subjective. Some people love Monet, some people love velvet Elvis paintings. Therefore, my opinion of the film is correct. So is yours. So is 2-XS-IF's.

We don't have to agree, and we don't have to dictate to 2-XS-IF what makes a good review. What I think we DO need to do is to let this poster express his opinion (especially as it was done respectfully--but even that is not a requirement) without jumping down his throat.

If everyone agreed about everything Bond on these forums, it'd be a pretty boring place. Hell, if we all agreed on everything, the WORLD would be a pretty boring place!

One question, though, for 2-XS-IF: What did you think of the casino extras? Me, I thought they were brilliant!

Erniecureo,

Your much needed referee-ing skills are much appreciated. I will address what you say. I just have a problem with the moaners harping on about how it's not a Bond film and are then unable to delve into why (saying there's been no decent song since Carly Simon is a tad blinkered and does question the poster's objectives. BUT - you are right. He / she is completely entitled to their opinion.

[JimmyBond]

On another message board I post at, they call this "drive by trolling." The post has no depth, just a means to rile people up, I find it hard to believe this fellow saw it, since he just repeated what is already known about the film.

If he can come back and write out a detailed review of why he didnt like it, I would certainly eat my words.

[Zorin Industries]

Hi there everyone ,
I saw the film last night and must say it's miles too long.There's no way I could sit through that again ! I class myself as Bond fan but not a fanatic and can see the diehard fans loving it and the masses being bored after about an hour and a half. Saying that Daniel Craig is brilliant as Bond and Eva Green is very good aswell.It is like no other Bond film before
and that's not always a good thing ,alot of the time it is though and I like the style of it .Theme song rubbish ,as they all have been since "Nobody Does It Better" and came out of the cinema feeling tried and and bit dissapointed .
It's only an opinion.

God, I'd be tired and disappointed if I came out of a film expecting THE SPY WHO LOVED ME for the ninth time...!

[JackWade]

I'm not going to lie, this is possibly the dumbest review I've seen yet.

[spynovelfan]

I actually thought it was too much like a Bond movie, and wished they'd done away with some more of the formula. Don't want to give anything away, but I thought having the celebrity cameo and the focus on the tux 'origins' were just two things that screamed 'old Bond' - and while I liked the latter scene (despite it not making sense), there were lots of things like that I felt held them back a bit.

It's Craig's first film, though, so understandably they've tried to establish him as Bond, even to the extent of having him named in the first scene. I hope that now Craig is established as Bond - and how! - that in the next one they can cut away even more of the formula and just get back to the spirit of the films. I think the burden of having to have the Moneypenny scene, the Q scene, the gadgets and so on, were what was holding them back from making really strong films. I don't give a damn whether or not the theme music is used or if the gunbarrel's the same as in 1962. I want a great Bond adventure. This is one.

[arturtle]

Daniel Craig would make a great James Bond when they make a real Bond film.
This was action movie with some action in it, but thats all.

You are kidding are you?

I just watched it and i thought it was the best bond film in a very long time...Its even comparable to FRWL

[Mr Woodpigeon]

I just watched it and i thought it was the best bond film in a very long time...Its even comparable to FRWL

Wow! That's saying something!! Looking forward to it even more now!!!

[2-XS-IF]

I found this on the BBC movie web site

"There are a few problems. 144 minutes is dangerously long for an action flick, and audiences may be restless during the protracted romantic interludes. You could drive an Aston Martin through the holes in the plot, and Chris Cornell's theme tune is an embarassment".

About basically what I thought - went on a bit, what was the plot and where was the real music. See, I was not the only one!!!!

[Mister Asterix]

I found this on the BBC movie web site

"There are a few problems. 144 minutes is dangerously long for an action flick, and audiences may be restless during the protracted romantic interludes. You could drive an Aston Martin through the holes in the plot, and Chris Cornell's theme tune is an embarassment".

About basically what I thought - went on a bit, what was the plot and where was the real music. See, I was not the only one!!!!

[mra]So then you gave the film just like that BBC review you

[killkenny kid]

Good one, *. But, 2-XS-IF is putting up a game fight.

[2-XS-IF]

Check out the view of non-Bondis on the BBC movie ratings website. They are not all good. Lets keep a eye on this it could be fun. All the best 2-xs-if out.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...esponse#comment

[erniecureo]

Thanks, Zorin.

Didn't mean to sound too high-handed--and there is something to be said for explaining one's views, to be sure. Bottom line, it's still just a movie--nobody's curing cancer here. And if the original poster's pupose was to troll (I truly don't know), well, the movie won't be affected by it, methinks.

I'll get off my soapbox now. Enjoy the film, all!

[JimmyBond]

Bottom line, it's still just a movie--nobody's curing cancer here.

Apparently you missed the news story that claims all the positive reviews give Craig strength to cure cancer?

[Publius]

I'm pretty sure I'll like it. That's what really matters to me.

As for casual fans, or even the always elusive "general public", I think most of them will like it too. Even if it doesn't feel like a Bond film, no big deal. The last three or four didn't (and sometimes didn't even star what I'd consider the real James Bond), and none have screamed Bond since 1969. Yet, most of them did extremely well and are generally remembered fondly. Go figure.