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[2-XS-IF]

No review, nothing to say, but 10 of us went to see it last night 7 thought what has happend to Bond. The girls and die hard Bond fan liked it but even then they thought it 'went on a bit' I Know it is going back to the roots but did we need to go that far back. No real Bond music, not good. I Have tickets for Sunday but I could not sit throught it again. If this were the first of ALL Bond movies (as it now is!!) I would not go to see the follow up. I will, however go to see the next one, because has to get better.
On our score board it would only get 3 OUT OF 10


http://www.xs-if.co....sino-Royale.htm

Edited by 2-XS-IF, 18 November 2006 - 08:23 PM.

[stamper]

It means 7 Brozza's fans were disappointed... argh...
You can know imagine how it was for the rest of the world, sitting through most Bond movies since 1971, wondering where the hell Bond was and what happened to him.

[2-XS-IF]

Daniel Craig would make a great James Bond when they make a real Bond film.
This was action movie with some action in it, but thats all.

[Vauxhall]

This was action movie with some action in it, but thats all.

I'm not quite sure how you can come out and say something that contradicts every single review there has been so far, including the negative ones. You may not have enjoyed the movie but please make some constructive criticism rather than saying "no review, nothing to say". You'll find that people will be much more open to your opinion if you do that.

[DamnCoffee]

Agreed.

[RazorBlade]

It means 7 Brozza's fans were disappointed... argh...
You can know imagine how it was for the rest of the world, sitting through most Bond movies since 1971, wondering where the hell Bond was and what happened to him.

Agreed. We should have known the Brozza fans would do something like this. How lame.

[2-XS-IF]

I'm not quite sure how you can come out and say something that contradicts every single review there has been so far, including the negative ones. [/quote]


I don't either, I was so looking forward to it. I was very disappointed.

[Mr Woodpigeon]

No review, nothing to say, but 10 of us went to see it last night 7 thought what has happend to Bond. The girls and die hard Bond fan liked it but even then they thought it 'went on a bit' I Know it is going back to the roots but did we need to go that far back. No real Bond music, not good. I Have tickets for Sunday but I could sit throught it again. If this were the first of ALL Bond movies (as it now is!!) I would not go to see the follow up. I will, however go to see the next one, because has to get better.
On our score board it would only get 3 OUT OF 10


http://www.xs-if.co....sino royale.htm

I don't understand a word of this post 3 out of 10 because it went on a bit?

I'm not quite sure how you can come out and say something that contradicts every single review there has been so far, including the negative ones.


I don't either, I was so looking forward to it. I was very disappointed.

Why? I am going to see this on Monday, and boy am I looking foward to it. Love the book, and I hear this is a good take on the source. Bring it on!

[2-XS-IF]

It means 7 Brozza's fans were disappointed... argh...
You can know imagine how it was for the rest of the world, sitting through most Bond movies since 1971, wondering where the hell Bond was and what happened to him.

Agreed. We should have known the Brozza fans would do something like this. How lame.

As I said before Daniel Craig WILL make a great Bond, when they make a Bond Film with him in it.

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

It means 7 Brozza's fans were disappointed... argh...
You can know imagine how it was for the rest of the world, sitting through most Bond movies since 1971, wondering where the hell Bond was and what happened to him.

Agreed. We should have known the Brozza fans would do something like this. How lame.

As I said before Daniel Craig WILL make a great Bond, when they make a Bond Film with him in it.

But so far you have yet to really explain why you think it's not a Bond film and the closet you come is to say that there was no Bond music which you say is "Not good".

[Mr Woodpigeon]

It means 7 Brozza's fans were disappointed... argh...
You can know imagine how it was for the rest of the world, sitting through most Bond movies since 1971, wondering where the hell Bond was and what happened to him.

Agreed. We should have known the Brozza fans would do something like this. How lame.

As I said before Daniel Craig WILL make a great Bond, when they make a Bond Film with him in it.

[Zorin Industries]

Daniel Craig would make a great James Bond when they make a real Bond film.
This was action movie with some action in it, but thats all.

No - you're all right. Eon should stop regenerating the series and just settle on making THE SPY WHO LOVED ME for the seventh time. I don't know why they think moving with the times - audiences, narrative developments and film culture - is the answer. They clearly don't know what they're doing as the weekend's global box office figures come in.

Please....Grow up. Hate the film by all means. But to say it's not a Bond film is childish, misguided and smacks of fan-boy preciousness.

[Mr Woodpigeon]

Daniel Craig would make a great James Bond when they make a real Bond film.
This was action movie with some action in it, but thats all.

No - you're all right. Eon should stop regenerating the series and just settle on making THE SPY WHO LOVED ME for the seventh time. I don't know why they think moving with the times - audiences, narrative developments and film culture - is the answer. They clearly don't know what they're doing as the weekend's global box office figures come in.

Please....Grow up. Hate the film by all means. But to say it's not a Bond film is childish, misguided and smacks of fan-boy preciousness.

Well said Zorin.

[Zorin Industries]

It means 7 Brozza's fans were disappointed... argh...
You can know imagine how it was for the rest of the world, sitting through most Bond movies since 1971, wondering where the hell Bond was and what happened to him.

Agreed. We should have known the Brozza fans would do something like this. How lame.

As I said before Daniel Craig WILL make a great Bond, when they make a Bond Film with him in it.

But so far you have yet to really explain why you think it's not a Bond film and the closet you come is to say that there was no Bond music which you say is "Not good".

The film drips with Bond music. It doesn't have to be the theme all the time. David Arnold has said that the 007 theme suggests a boldness that always see Bond winning. In many scenes of CASINO ROYALE, using wall-to-wall Bond music would kill the tone dead. We have moved on from the era of the untouched coiffured Bond barely getting a scratch. Even St Brosnan was allowed to wound a bit towards the end.

Some fans complete lack of knowledge of film-making, casting and producing is increasingly painful ("It's not a Bond film!" - well then why did you go and see it? Bond films are not made round fans coffee tables. They are made in the context of a global cinema with the dedication to detail and creative loyalty Eon have perfected for 45 years.

Daniel Craig would make a great James Bond when they make a real Bond film.
This was action movie with some action in it, but thats all.

No - you're all right. Eon should stop regenerating the series and just settle on making THE SPY WHO LOVED ME for the seventh time. I don't know why they think moving with the times - audiences, narrative developments and film culture - is the answer. They clearly don't know what they're doing as the weekend's global box office figures come in.

Please....Grow up. Hate the film by all means. But to say it's not a Bond film is childish, misguided and smacks of fan-boy preciousness.

Well said Zorin.

Thank you Mr Woodpigeon.

Here's my review of CASINO ROYALE.

http://debrief.comma...p...c=35499&hl=

[Santa]

Oh well. There's always one.

[Jim]

People are allowed not to like it, surely?

It's preferable to give reasons, granted, but if they don't, they don't. The absence of reasons may be suggestive but one can't really demand them.

[Zorin Industries]

No review, nothing to say, but 10 of us went to see it last night 7 thought what has happend to Bond. The girls and die hard Bond fan liked it but even then they thought it 'went on a bit' I Know it is going back to the roots but did we need to go that far back. No real Bond music, not good. I Have tickets for Sunday but I could sit throught it again. If this were the first of ALL Bond movies (as it now is!!) I would not go to see the follow up. I will, however go to see the next one, because has to get better.
On our score board it would only get 3 OUT OF 10


http://www.xs-if.co....sino royale.htm

3 out 10, eh? That means you've saved your money on the DVD then, no?! I think the DEMPSEY & MAKEPEACE box set is out in time for Christmas. Spend your money on that - because that's where Bond was headed in 2002 (M being kidnapped and having to escape a Pinewood prison cell? That smacked of fourth series desperation).

Here's my review of CASINO ROYALE.

http://debrief.comma...p...c=35499&hl=

[2-XS-IF]

Daniel Craig would make a great James Bond when they make a real Bond film.
This was action movie with some action in it, but thats all.

No - you're all right. Eon should stop regenerating the series and just settle on making THE SPY WHO LOVED ME for the seventh time. I don't know why they think moving with the times - audiences, narrative developments and film culture - is the answer. They clearly don't know what they're doing as the weekend's global box office figures come in.

Please....Grow up. Hate the film by all means. But to say it's not a Bond film is childish, misguided and smacks of fan-boy preciousness.

The box office figures will be great it is a new Bond in a new film.
Die hard fans will like it?? But there are not enough about to keep Bond going, It's the mass public they have to keep happy, not Bond fans on web sites.

[Santa]

Dempsey & Makepeace was fing brilliant!

[Zorin Industries]

Dempsey & Makepeace was fing brilliant!

Course it was! I'm just saying that Brosnan's Bond's became a bit Saturday night LWT - especially THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH (neither was the screenplay). The film's were becoming steeped in too much Second Unit work. There are huge segments of Brosnan's later Bonds that look like he didn't even need to be there until his inserts were necessary.

[Mr Woodpigeon]

It means 7 Brozza's fans were disappointed... argh...
You can know imagine how it was for the rest of the world, sitting through most Bond movies since 1971, wondering where the hell Bond was and what happened to him.

Agreed. We should have known the Brozza fans would do something like this. How lame.

As I said before Daniel Craig WILL make a great Bond, when they make a Bond Film with him in it.

But so far you have yet to really explain why you think it's not a Bond film and the closet you come is to say that there was no Bond music which you say is "Not good".

The film drips with Bond music. It doesn't have to be the theme all the time. David Arnold has said that the 007 theme suggests a boldness that always see Bond winning. In many scenes of CASINO ROYALE, using wall-to-wall Bond music would kill the tone dead. We have moved on from the era of the untouched coiffured Bond barely getting a scratch. Even St Brosnan was allowed to wound a bit towards the end.

Some fans complete lack of knowledge of film-making, casting and producing is increasingly painful ("It's not a Bond film!" - well then why did you go and see it? Bond films are not made round fans coffee tables. They are made in the context of a global cinema with the dedication to detail and creative loyalty Eon have perfected for 45 years.

Daniel Craig would make a great James Bond when they make a real Bond film.
This was action movie with some action in it, but thats all.

No - you're all right. Eon should stop regenerating the series and just settle on making THE SPY WHO LOVED ME for the seventh time. I don't know why they think moving with the times - audiences, narrative developments and film culture - is the answer. They clearly don't know what they're doing as the weekend's global box office figures come in.

Please....Grow up. Hate the film by all means. But to say it's not a Bond film is childish, misguided and smacks of fan-boy preciousness.

Well said Zorin.

Thank you Mr Woodpigeon.

Here's my review of CASINO ROYALE.

http://debrief.comma...p...c=35499&hl=

Now that's a review Well written and well thought out. 2-XS-IF, you would do well to clear your mind, read Zorin's review, and take it in. Good stuff.

[dee-bee-five]

Daniel Craig would make a great James Bond when they make a real Bond film.
This was action movie with some action in it, but thats all.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion.

But I find it hard to reconcile your contention that Casino Royale isn't a proper Bond film when it is the closest to Fleming's original novel since OHMSS in 1969.

[stamper]

Interesting thread, which should bring this point : what defines a bond film, to most people ?

I'll tell you my take : all the sixties 007 films, then only FYEO, TLD and LTK

None of all the others movie made since 1971 looks and are Bonds film to me. The essence of Bond is someone called IAN FLEMING, not some audience definition of a Circus made into celluloid, as have been all the other Bond movies since 1971, with no regard whatsoever to any of the source material (ie the NOVELS).

Now, "Bond fans", the one who liked Moore, Brozza, will understand how it did felt for the rest of the fandom for nearly 35 years.

I already had this discussion in 1989 with many "bond fans" who swore that LTK had lost the Fleming relation and became "Lethal Weapon meet Miami Vice", when it was the first Bond in over a decade which paid respect to the original source Material, lifting scenes from many novels like LALD (the novel, not the farce that was the movie)

[Bureau Of Weapons]

Interesting thread, which should bring this point : what defines a bond film, to most people ?

I'll tell you my take : all the sixties 007 films, then only FYEO, TLD and LTK

Now, "Bond fans", the one who liked Moore, Brozza, will understand how it did felt for the rest of the fandom for nearly 35 years.

A hearty slap on the back Stamper. I couldn't agree more.

[Mr_Wint]

Interesting thread, which should bring this point : what defines a bond film, to most people ?

No, this is not the right time to discuss what defines a bond film. We have a new Bondfilm in the cinemas and a majority of the Bondfans will love the "new" film (and all old Bondfilms that are similar to the "new" film). I call it "the last-film-syndrome".

[Jim]

Interesting thread, which should bring this point : what defines a bond film, to most people ?

No, this is not the right time to discuss what defines a bond film. We have a new Bondfilm in the cinemas and a majority of the Bondfans will love the "new" film (and all old Bondfilms that are similar to the "new" film). I call it "the last-film-syndrome".

What we don't yet know is what the reaction of someone who has never seen a Bond film before will be, someone for whom Bond truly begins with this. Would the character appeal to them (I dunno); has it shaken off enough of the past for it not to be totally impenetrable to them? I suppose what I am driving at here is whether the strength of the film in changing is actually in still retaining familiar things that can be picked up on.

Is that clever of them?

"Dunno".

Level of sophistication not at its highest today, sorry.

[London Calling]

Hi there everyone ,
I saw the film last night and must say it's miles too long.There's no way I could sit through that again ! I class myself as Bond fan but not a fanatic and can see the diehard fans loving it and the masses being bored after about an hour and a half. Saying that Daniel Craig is brilliant as Bond and Eva Green is very good aswell.It is like no other Bond film before
and that's not always a good thing ,alot of the time it is though and I like the style of it .Theme song rubbish ,as they all have been since "Nobody Does It Better" and came out of the cinema feeling tried and and bit dissapointed .
It's only an opinion.

[2-XS-IF]

Hi there everyone ,
I saw the film last night and must say it's miles too long.There's no way I could sit through that again ! I class myself as Bond fan but not a fanatic and can see the diehard fans loving it and the masses being bored after about an hour and a half. Saying that Daniel Craig is brilliant as Bond and Eva Green is very good aswell.It is like no other Bond film before
and that's not always a good thing ,alot of the time it is though and I like the style of it .Theme song rubbish ,as they all have been since "Nobody Does It Better" and came out of the cinema feeling tried and and bit dissapointed .
It's only an opinion.

And mine, I am not the only one.

[NATO Sub]

I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion, and here is mine: With a handful of posts between you... Awoooooooga! I smell troll blood!

[DLibrasnow]

They said they were going to shake up the formula.

And Heaven knows the series needed it after the last couple of flacid entries EON has unloaaded on us.

The series needed a good kick in the teeth. Casino Royale delivered that.

I class myself as Bond fan but not a fanatic

"fan" is short for "fanatic"