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[MR. BOND 93]

Hmmm.. I'm not sure about it. I'll have to see it on the big screen. It's definately more realistic looking IMO though.

And I was just thinking about this... maybe for all of the new Bond films they will actually show a man somewhere holding a gun and you look through the gun barrel and see Bond shoot at it. That'd be cool.

[Harmsway]

I don't like that idea. Too gimmicky.

[Marketto007]

Well, I really liked. New Bond, New Movie, New Era = NEW GUN BARREL! It looks great

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[erwin2041]

I don't believe this CR's gun barrel looks more realistic than before.

First, The look of the previous gun barrel is real, because it was achieved with a pin hole camera shooting through a real gun barrel. The CGI version in Brosnan's era was based on the look of the real gun barrel. So, the look is realistic also.

Second, in order to see the the whole body of the opponent fully in the perspective of gun barrel, I believe the gun barrel must be placed not too near of course. That's why, I don't believe that if we look into a gun barrel, we can se the shadow of the opponent circling around the gun barrel. (Too far to see the shadow of the opponent). In other word, this gun barrel looks fake. So, anyone who have a gun please try to experiment and share a thought.

[Methos]

I really don't buy this being the actual gunbarrel. I suspect it's a shoddily put together mockup that the documentary folks put together. Perhaps those who've seen the press screenings can settle this matter once and for all.

[JackWade]

I don't think that's the real gunbarrel, or at least I hope not. That looks too cheaply done.

[Harmsway]

I really don't buy this being the actual gunbarrel. I suspect it's a shoddily put together mockup that the documentary folks put together. Perhaps those who've seen the press screenings can settle this matter once and for all.

It's been confirmed by CBN's own Dave Winter that it is, in fact, the gunbarrel.

[JCRendle]

I am surprised that none of the reviews have mentioned the change.

[JimmyBond]

I like it. This may sound blasphemous, but I'm glad it's different. It's about time Klienman stopped copying Binder and put his mark on the series. Binder has been dead for over ten years, I think the time for paying homage to him has past.

Let's move on, shall we?

[Doubl07]

I'm a little confused. This is the new gunbarrel or are they just using the one from the trailers and tv spots??

[Harmsway]

This one, as featured in the BECOMING BOND special, *is* the one in the film. The one featured in the trailers and TV spots is *not* in the film.

[JimmyBond]

This one, as featured in the BECOMING BOND special, *is* the one in the film. The one featured in the trailers and TV spots is *not* in the film.

Probably an early graphic the marketing people came up with for the teaser. Personally, I love the new look, but I imagine a lot won't.

[Mr Teddy Bear]

I like it. This may sound blasphemous, but I'm glad it's different. It's about time Klienman stopped copying Binder and put his mark on the series. Binder has been dead for over ten years, I think the time for paying homage to him has past.

Let's move on, shall we?

It is nothing to do with paying homage, it is more to do with what is better. Personally, this new one doesn't ring my bell. Overall, it doesn't bother me too much, it is probably a 5 second sequence which we probably won't even have time to examine anyway. But I will admit I would be slightly disappointed if this was adopted for all future Bond films instead of an iteration of the 1962 original, which in my mind not only looked more realistic, but was/is a superior visual style as well.

[Blofeld's Cat]

That's not a gun barrel, that's a windmill fan!

[JCRendle]

It can't be too drastic, because none of the reviews have mentioned a different gunbarrel

[Marketto007]

It can't be too drastic, because none of the reviews have mentioned a different gunbarrel

I'm questioning the same to myself. Very weird that no one have mentioned before...

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[The Admiral]

It can't be too drastic, because none of the reviews have mentioned a different gunbarrel

I think because the gun barrel isn't at the start of the film as before, it's just another accepted change.

[JCRendle]

Ah ok, thanks Dave

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

I like it. It actually looks more modern and realistic. The more grooves in the barrel, the more spin on the bullet, more spin means more accurate. Check this out.

http://static.flickr...8500e917c_m.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifling

[DamnCoffee]

it looked kinda cheap but seeing it again in a pic i can clearly make it out

[marktmurphy]

They showed another clip in the 'James Bond: For Real' doc- the camera moves down the gunbarrel as in the teaser (although a bit slower). It's cool.

[Emily]

I kind of like it. It makes a grand entrance. It's also different. But I'm quite sure they are going to make it the same old, same old in the next movie. That's when he's oficially Bond.

Because he's just earned his license in this killing, and he doesn't wear the suit, or anything. Of course it's going to be in the next film.

Anyway I like it, and I hope the graphic sticks. You can't always cling to the old.

[MystikTK]

I'm afraid I'll have to reserve judgement until I see it in all it's full-motion glory on the big screen. That said, I like the reflection of Craig on the barrel.

However, I REALLY like the creative placement of the gun barrel so that it depicts Bond's first kill and kicks off the film in that manner. Although, I do hope that they go back to the classic placement (and maybe even the classic barrel?) for the next film.

[Mr_Wint]

Binders Gun-barrel may not be 100% realistic. But that is irrelevant, the gun-barrel is a trademark for the Bondfilms and I still cant see any reason to change it.

[sorking]

I like it. As a still image, it maybe doesn't do full justice - but it looks great when it moves.

Binder's my have been a genuine photograph, but camera technology has moved on a lot since his day, especially in the area of slose-up photography. What was 'as real as we can get' then, isn't now. Plus, of course, his image - innovate though it was - simply couldn't have three dimensions to it.

Then came the Broasnan version, which was pretty good, but was massively cursed by having to end up imitating a two-dimensional image from the 60s. It's like asking your CGI animator to try and get his monster to look more like stop-motion.

The reflections are good, but it's the grooves that really work for me. Again, in moving 3D these really help sell the gunbarrel shape. (It's worth remembering that thousands of members of the reglar public don't call it 'the gunbarrel', it's known as 'that bit where Bond appears in a white cicrle and shoots the camera or something'.)

Finally, I think we have to assume that unless the public reaction is overwhelmingly negative (which, given that it hasn't come up in the reviews so far, seems unlikely), it's going to stay this way for Craig's however-man-films run.

One possible implication of Casino Royale, the film, is that the gunbarrel we've been seeing at the start of every movie to date isn't some generic thing - it's showing us, literally, the moment he became a killer. The beginnings of the man. That the gunbarrel sequence is there to show us who he is, what he does, has always been true - now, it's being posited as an actual event.

So while they may clean up the white background, etc., for the next one, I imagine there will be an intention to leave things as close as possible to CR, because it acts as a very specific image-based reminder to an audience of just how we got where we are.

[DamnCoffee]

I like it. It actually looks more modern and realistic. The more grooves in the barrel, the more spin on the bullet, more spin means more accurate. Check this out.

http://static.flickr...8500e917c_m.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifling

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, yup, that could work

[Mr Teddy Bear]

All I can say is I hope you are wrong sorking.

mharkin: Now that I actually like better than the one in the film with the over done reflections.

I tinkered with the levels in photo shop (took about 5 seconds) and it is easy to see how accurate Binder's original design was/is.

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Edited by Mr Teddy Bear, 11 November 2006 - 02:28 PM.

[DamnCoffee]

I've been doing a little experimenting too
I know the images arent that clear, i didn;t take much time on them, anyway you get the jist of it

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[Andrew]

I actually REALLY like the new look.

[marktmurphy]

So while they may clean up the white background, etc., for the next one, I imagine there will be an intention to leave things as close as possible to CR, because it acts as a very specific image-based reminder to an audience of just how we got where we are.

Yes, I hope so. The old one was a lovely photograph, but it's been so posterised and reduced to a two-colour image through the various generations that it doesn't even look like metal anymore. This new one looks great.