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[rebeck]

Leaves me absolutely mystified, Rene. It's the only Bond film from the last twenty years that I can watch again and again and always enjoy. I guess it's just like the Craig true believers cannot fathom how I don't like CR (the finished work not the script). Who can explain these Grand Canyon gulfs between tastes?

Lol, i gotta admit i cannot fathom how you dont like CR, to me the film is perfection (only flaw i can find with it is that it didnt open with dots, wouldve loved that, but it is a very fanwankery complaint)

On paper I thought that opening was a great idea, a one-time-only shake up or "birth" of Bond - but in execution I thought the opening felt rushed and the gunbarrel was just cheesy and wrong. Let's hope they get back to Kleinman's classic metallic look on 22. And the ending... In the script, Haggis has the camera "screaming up into the sky" after Bond says his name for the first time. Campbell simply goes to black. And for some reason Arnold goes retro with the theme instead of giving us a modern blast of Bond. Movies are killed one small decision at a time.

It's all fanwankery, but valid.

[Rene Mathis]

Leaves me absolutely mystified, Rene. It's the only Bond film from the last twenty years that I can watch again and again and always enjoy. I guess it's just like the Craig true believers cannot fathom how I don't like CR (the finished work not the script). Who can explain these Grand Canyon gulfs between tastes?

Lol, i gotta admit i cannot fathom how you dont like CR, to me the film is perfection (only flaw i can find with it is that it didnt open with dots, wouldve loved that, but it is a very fanwankery complaint)

On paper I thought that opening was a great idea, a one-time-only shake up or "birth" of Bond - but in execution I thought the opening felt rushed and the gunbarrel was just cheesy and wrong. Let's hope they get back to Kleinman's classic metallic look on 22. And the ending... In the script, Haggis has the camera "screaming up into the sky" after Bond says his name for the first time. Campbell simply goes to black. And for some reason Arnold goes retro with the theme instead of giving us a modern blast of Bond. Movies are killed one small decision at a time.

It's all fanwankery, but valid.

I love in theory how the film opens up differently and its just a one off before hes started, but every time i watch Casino Royale i miss the little kick of excitment those dots give me when watching a bond movie (i need a life btw).
As for the ending, i much prefer wat we have compared to wat haggis wrote. I loved the quick fade to black, it said to me it Bond has arrived, and the quick cut to black left me begging for more.
I really loved the retro Bond theme, the teases of the Bond theme during the movie worked, it was in a wierd way a relief to finally here the theme we all know and love, which wouldnt have worked if it was some modern blast we havent heard before.

[OmarB]

Anyone who hasn't read all of Ian Fleming's books should keep their opinions to themselves, since they don't know enough about it to pontificate on whether, for instance, Daniel Craig is better than Sean Connery or whether (for instance) Die Another Day is a better Bond film than Goldfinger. How's that for antagonistic, if not exactly unorthodox?

I'm with you man. Read the books then I'll listen to what you have to say.

I've been reading through some of the books. Which in your opinion are the best in the series?
With that said, someone can have definite opinions about the films w/o having read the books, although less informed regarding the official Bond canon.

They are all great IMO, I'm a big fan of FRWL if I had to pick one.

[Licence_007]

I think Sean Connery is massively overrated as Bond. Yes, he was the original, but that doesn't mean he was best.

I think Dalton's films are two of the best films in the series. Licence to Kill could've maybe been better, but I think it's brilliant.

[LadySylvia]

I think Sean Connery is massively overrated as Bond. Yes, he was the original, but that doesn't mean he was best.

Hear, hear!

Don't get me wrong. I loved Connery as Bond. Hell, I loved all six actors as Bonds. But I don't think that Connery was the best. In fact, I don't think there has yet to be a "best Bond".

[Judo chop]

And for some reason Arnold goes retro with the theme instead of giving us a modern blast of Bond. Movies are killed one small decision at a time.

Good Ghandi, man!!!

Dissing the retro Bond theme!? I can

[plankattack]

[quote name='Judo chop' post='804456' date='7 December 2007 - 13:35']The horns with Bond

[Judo chop]

[quote name='plankattack' post='804457' date='7 December 2007 - 12:46'][quote name='Judo chop' post='804456' date='7 December 2007 - 13:35']The horns with Bond

[rebeck]

Well I'm daft then - no borderline about it. Because I got the goosebumps when I read it on the page and was thrilled, but in execution it just didn't have the oomph I was expecting. I want to love it, but I just feel it could have been so much better. It's not so much the retro thing I guess, cuz I love the horns, as that I wanted that music to ROAR at us, to explode, and it just kind of feels of standard. And even the going to black doesn't have that quick-edit snap to it.

On top of everything else, Craig's reading of the classic line strikes me as pretty flat and dry. To others that reads macho, to me it reads boring.

To each his own.

[Judo chop]

Of course.

(Though I will continue to pray for you that someday you might see what I see, and enjoy what I enjoy.)

[rebeck]

Likewise.

[Judo chop]

And I will likewise pray for your prayers for me to like TWINE. 'Cause you're gonna need the help.

[plankattack]

And I will likewise pray for your prayers for me to like TWINE. 'Cause you're gonna need the help.

Ohhhh Judo! I'm with you than you go put the boot in my beloved TWINE!

Alright then - here's an unorthodox Bond opinion. TWINE is closer in richer in character, and closer to a Fleming novel in it's tone and unfurling of plot than any of Sir Rog's (except FYEO - though I don't Fleming would ever have inserted the ice-skating girl character).

Alright, you lot. Take aim at me and fire!!!

[HH007]

Alright then - here's an unorthodox Bond opinion. TWINE is closer in richer in character, and closer to a Fleming novel in it's tone and unfurling of plot than any of Sir Rog's.

How is that an unothodox opinion?

[plankattack]

Alright then - here's an unorthodox Bond opinion. TWINE is closer in richer in character, and closer to a Fleming novel in it's tone and unfurling of plot than any of Sir Rog's.

How is that an unothodox opinion?

Everyone around always dismisses TWINE as complete cobblers! There are a hardy few that defend it from all comers!!

[Judo chop]

Alright then - here's an unorthodox Bond opinion. TWINE is closer in richer in character, and closer to a Fleming novel in it's tone and unfurling of plot than any of Sir Rog's.

How is that an unothodox opinion?

Everyone around always dismisses TWINE as complete cobblers! There are a hardy few that defend it from all comers!!

How about an unorthodox question?

Do you really like TWINE, plank? Or is this stage you

[Hergersheimer]

TWINE is without question my favorite Bond film. Not necessarily the one I think is the best, but certainly the one I enjoy the most. I don't find any of the oft-complained about "emotional moments" out of place with any other emotion we've seen in the other Bond films. I will gladly join plankattack and all other TWINE supporters in defending it to the death!

[Mr. Blofeld]

TWINE is without question my favorite Bond film. Not necessarily the one I think is the best, but certainly the one I enjoy the most. I don't find any of the oft-complained about "emotional moments" out of place with any other emotion we've seen in the other Bond films. I will gladly join plankattack and all other TWINE supporters in defending it to the death!

To the pain, then.

I have an unorthodox opinion of my own: I find TSWLM too comical.

[plankattack]

[quote name='Judo chop' post='804491' date='7 December 2007 - 15:58'][quote name='plankattack' post='804487' date='7 December 2007 - 14:46'][quote name='HH007' post='804482' date='7 December 2007 - 15:39'][quote name='plankattack' post='804477' date='7 December 2007 - 20:13']Alright then - here's an unorthodox Bond opinion. TWINE is closer in richer in character, and closer to a Fleming novel in it's tone and unfurling of plot than any of Sir Rog's.[/quote]

How is that an unothodox opinion?
[/quote]

Everyone around always dismisses TWINE as complete cobblers! There are a hardy few that defend it from all comers!!
[/quote]
How about an unorthodox question?

Do you really like TWINE, plank? Or is this stage you

[Daddy Bond]

[quote name='Judo chop' post='804459' date='7 December 2007 - 13:02'][quote name='plankattack' post='804457' date='7 December 2007 - 12:46'][quote name='Judo chop' post='804456' date='7 December 2007 - 13:35']The horns with Bond

[HH007]

[quote name='Daddy Bond' post='804513' date='7 December 2007 - 21:47'][quote name='Judo chop' post='804459' date='7 December 2007 - 13:02'][quote name='plankattack' post='804457' date='7 December 2007 - 12:46'][quote name='Judo chop' post='804456' date='7 December 2007 - 13:35']The horns with Bond

[DaveBond21]

Hey, criticising TWINE is not unorthodox.

But defending it on these boards sure seems to be, i was quite suprised when i stumbled around these forums to see the level of hatred for TWINE, sure its got a lot of problems, but i like to think of it as an Artistic Failure, rather than dog sh**

Well, when I first came here I couldn't believe that there were people who hated whole eras, eg. Moore, Dalton or Brosnan. I like all the actors who've played Bond and enjoying all the Brosnan ones seems like an unorthodox opinion these days. But, you know what, I've been a happy Bond fan since 1995 and I still am!

Isn't life great?

[Mr. Blofeld]

In fact, where Dr. No criminally overrused the theme, CR uses it to make a great statement at the end.

The James Bond Theme was only overused in Dr. No because Peter Hunt kept on cutting it into the soundtrack whenever he wanted to emphasis the "Bond"-ness of the situation; as far as John Barry knew, the composition was only to be used for the opening credits.

[rebeck]

I'm not sure there IS such a thing as overusing the Bond theme.

[Mr. Blofeld]

I'm not sure there IS such a thing as overusing the Bond theme.

Well, then, you've never watched Dr. No, I presume...

[Shadow Syndicate]

I like the orchestration in Die Another Day's theme

[J.C.D'Arc]

That IS antagonistic, and so completely wrong.

No Bond fan has any more "right" to their opinion than any other, and anyone who thinks so should probably just switch to religious extremism instead...

...I wasn't denying him any opinion, just the belief that he gets to determine whose opinion counts...

Well, normally that'd be true, but I have to ask myself: "What is one man or woman's opinion...to my own?"

In other words, it's like the Yamaha riders say: "Opinions are like Hondas--every one has them and they all stink."

Of course, the reason I say that people should read the books first is so that there is some sort of standard to be applied. Otherwise it's just "Red MG's are better than Blue MG's!" "No they're not! Blue MG's rule!" "You're both all wet! White Volvo P-1800's are the greatest!"

Here's another one of my opinions you may not like: Any of Fleming's books are better than any of the movies.

Enjoy!

[Mr. Blofeld]

Here's another one of my opinions you may not like: Any of Fleming's books are better than any of the movies.

Here's an exception: Goldfinger the movie trounces Goldfinger the book.

[LadySylvia]

Here's another one of my opinions you may not like: Any of Fleming's books are better than any of the movies.

Here's an exception: Goldfinger the movie trounces Goldfinger the book.

I agree. The movie is better than the novel. But I still feel that neither is that hot, storywise.

TWINE is without question my favorite Bond film. Not necessarily the one I think is the best, but certainly the one I enjoy the most.

My view of TWINE has certainly improved over the years. I think that it's actually pretty good, except for the finale aboard the nuclear sub.

[DaveBond21]

Here's another one of my opinions you may not like: Any of Fleming's books are better than any of the movies.

Here's an exception: Goldfinger the movie trounces Goldfinger the book.

I agree. The movie is better than the novel. But I still feel that neither is that hot, storywise.

TWINE is without question my favorite Bond film. Not necessarily the one I think is the best, but certainly the one I enjoy the most.

My view of TWINE has certainly improved over the years. I think that it's actually pretty good, except for the finale aboard the nuclear sub.

Yeah, I like TWINE too. The bomb in the pipeline scene and the finale are disappointments but I do love the boat chase and skiing scene.