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[TheREAL008]

The more I think about how the direction should follow the contunity of the novels, the more I actually like the idea.

Ok, so we got a reboot..so why not go one step further and make Casino Royale along with 22 the concept where we actually see Fleming's work on film.

On the one hand you'll have the people who say "It's been done before and it doesn't need a retelling." But it wouldn't exactly be a retelling, take Moonraker for instance...although I respect Sir Roger Moore's portrayal of Bond, Moonraker almost certainly HAS to be the lousiest piece of film in the cannon. I think there's now a chance...if done correctly...to make it better by sticking with the original plot of sorts, sure the ICBMs have to change to more leathal missles but keep the missles and Gala Brand, stick with the plot and it should be good.

Need I go into how much the novel for Diamonds Are Forever than the film?

Anyhow, that's what I'm thinking could happen. If the idea has been discussed before forgive me for flogging a dead horse of sorts but I would like to hear feedback anyhow.

[Sydoe_00]

Yes, I wouldn't mind that too. In fact, it would be great to see Live and Let Die modernized. The only thing I question is whether or not they can present something new too so that we don't spend the next years of fandom watching the same thing as decades ago.

[dinovelvet]

No thanks...been there, done that.

Of course, I'd watch it anyway, but I'd rather see something new. The only Fleming novel/film I'd like to see "remade" is YOLT since the film was completely different from the book.

[K1Bond007]

Live and Let Die has technically been done twice. I think the spirit and attitude of that novel should be there in Bond 22, but I don't think the plot of that story should be used. It was done with Live and Let Die and it was done with Licence to Kill - it's the same story, but tinkered here and there for a more fresh story.

I can live with seeing a down to Earth and faithful Moonraker adaptation though - obviously with new characters and a different title (perhaps one of the good titles that got passed over in favor of just 'Moonraker'). I've lobbied for that in the past and it really hasn't been done on film yet. If anything I'd love to see the scene in Blades used in a future film, probably Bond 23 to distance itself from Casino Royale. Fleming has been tapped though. I would hope they could take from what he wrote and write something new and great in that spirit without rehashing 40-50 year old ideas that have mostly been done before in other Bond films.

[00Twelve]

I've expressed my views on this before, but this is the best place for me to do so.

I gotta say, I'm with 008. Live And Let Die as a film had only most of the main characters' names, the location of New York, and the use of African-Americans in common with the novel. The only irreplaceable element of the original, IMO, is the title song. And FYEO only had the use of the coral-dragging sequence. And LTK used only the Leiter mutilation and warehouse location.

I don't mention these things to discredit these other films, but we really haven't seen Live And Let Die as a complete story before. And it's really one of Fleming's best (sorry, imposing my own opinion).

The LALD novel plot isn't completely dated...the finding of lost treasure and the plan to use it for terrorist financing isn't completely lame. Even if this isn't the exact plot, it is certainly adaptable. I'd die to see this story redone with most all of its original elements restored. It's a great enough story that it deserves to be given a fair opportunity to be seen in today's climate. Might it be smart to organize the villainous network differently than Fleming did (all blacks)? Uh, probably so.

In the case of a new version versus the '73 film, I'm all for the retelling of Fleming's actual stories in a time when camp isn't considered an improvement upon the original material. Sorry, J-Dub.

[Spurrier]

I'd be for a remake of LALD. Just keep the McCartney song and have Rog and Jane do cameos.

[MrDraco]

remake DAD....

[Fro]

The basic idea of Bond and Leiter teaming up throughout most of the movie, with some of it set in the urban US is should stay.

The rest of the novel is really expendable and most of the cool scenes have already been pillaged.

[JimmyBond]

The LALD novel plot isn't completely dated...the finding of lost treasure and the plan to use it for terrorist financing isn't completely lame. Even if this isn't the exact plot, it is certainly adaptable. I'd die to see this story redone with most all of its original elements restored. It's a great enough story that it deserves to be given a fair opportunity to be seen in today's climate. Might it be smart to organize the villainous network differently than Fleming did (all blacks)? Uh, probably so.

Can't help but agree with you here, though I do think the title should be changed. To release Bond 22 as LALD would draw unfair comparisons between the new film and Moore's debut. And even if the faithful adaption was the better film, people would still choose Moore's over it, because it came first.

[Qwerty]

No thanks...been there, done that.

Of course, I'd watch it anyway, but I'd rather see something new.

Agreed.

[Double-Oh Agent]

No thanks...been there, done that.

Of course, I'd watch it anyway, but I'd rather see something new.

Agreed.

Definitely agree. I want to see something else like the filming of the continuation novels instead. Besides, if EON remade the 007 novels in order, it would be the end of the Bond series. Yes, hardcore Bond fans would see them, but the average moviegoer would not. They will have seen it before and after a film or two would want something original and look for it elsewhere. No, the future for movie-Bond is either with continuation novels or original screenplays entirely.

[Sydoe_00]

And come to think of it, I don't really see how LALD could connect with the ending of Casino Royale... But if they do manage to...

[TheREAL008]

No thanks...been there, done that.

Of course, I'd watch it anyway, but I'd rather see something new.

Agreed.

Definitely agree. I want to see something else like the filming of the continuation novels instead. Besides, if EON remade the 007 novels in order, it would be the end of the Bond series. Yes, hardcore Bond fans would see them, but the average moviegoer would not. They will have seen it before and after a film or two would want something original and look for it elsewhere. No, the future for movie-Bond is either with continuation novels or original screenplays entirely.

Well, it might be a very long while until or even if the continuation novels are made for film....

Not that I want to rehash the original novels..I just thought it would be a good...or even semi good idea to actually film the Fleming novels in order for the younger, and older fans who would be interested in seeing it done.

Or maybe that's just too anal-retentive? But thanks for the feedback nonetheless

[Thunderfinger]

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[Santa]

I am most definitely anal but I wouldn't like to see any remakes. It only invites comparisons and that can't end well.

[Andy A 007]

If there were a remake, Live and Let Die would definately be my choice. It's one of the best of the novels and would probably suit well with Craig's portrayal.

[Thunderfinger]

With Ali G as Tee Hee!

[Waffles, James Waffles.]

Well, I've only read Casino Royale, but I'd like to see the true adaptations of LALD and MR as books. One thing that would make it better for me is to make the title new, change the plot and the character names a little to make it UNIQUE. I don't see CR as a new series, i'ts just the next film. And LIVE AND LET DIE 2 sounds corny.

[AgentPB]

I have to say when I was reading LALD not to long ago I was thinking about how the movie doesn't do it justice. I would like to see the main elements (especially how close Bond gets with Lieter).I would choose a new name so as not to compare it to LALD the movie. They really have nothing in common so only fans in the know would be able to tell where Bond 22 came from. I think they should remake choice Flemming titles and also do original movie as well. I think Craig has the perfect type to do a period piece Bond too. Make the movie in the vein of TB, GF and YOLT!

[Sanjuro007]

Although I have my reservations, I think I would be happy if Bond 22 was Live and Let Die if the filmmakers made a commitment to "re-imagining" all of Fleming's work in order, but with the idea of giving the series a more direct sense of continuity, emphasizing previously unused Fleming material, and creating "story arcs" (although still delivering standalone flicks), which all would culminate with The Man With The Golden Gun. By that time, it'll be high time for either a reboot or a return to GE/TND/TWINE-style "new adventures." But then again, I'm just interested in seeing Bond films period. Just make good movies!

Edited by Sanjuro007, 25 October 2006 - 12:49 AM.

[TheREAL008]

Although I have my reservations, I think I would be happy if Bond 22 was Live and Let Die if the filmmakers made a commitment to "re-imagining" all of Fleming's work in order, but with the idea of giving the series a more direct sense of continuity, emphasizing previously unused Fleming material, and creating "story arcs" (although still delivering standalone flicks), which all would culminate with The Man With The Golden Gun. By that time, it'll be high time for either a reboot or a return to GE/TND/TWINE-style "new adventures." But then again, I'm just interested in seeing Bond films period. Just make good movies!

My thoughts exactly.

[bond_girl_double07]

I've expressed my views on this before, but this is the best place for me to do so.

I gotta say, I'm with 008. Live And Let Die as a film had only most of the main characters' names, the location of New York, and the use of African-Americans in common with the novel. The only irreplaceable element of the original, IMO, is the title song. And FYEO only had the use of the coral-dragging sequence. And LTK used only the Leiter mutilation and warehouse location.

I don't mention these things to discredit these other films, but we really haven't seen Live And Let Die as a complete story before. And it's really one of Fleming's best (sorry, imposing my own opinion).

The LALD novel plot isn't completely dated...the finding of lost treasure and the plan to use it for terrorist financing isn't completely lame. Even if this isn't the exact plot, it is certainly adaptable. I'd die to see this story redone with most all of its original elements restored. It's a great enough story that it deserves to be given a fair opportunity to be seen in today's climate. Might it be smart to organize the villainous network differently than Fleming did (all blacks)? Uh, probably so.

In the case of a new version versus the '73 film, I'm all for the retelling of Fleming's actual stories in a time when camp isn't considered an improvement upon the original material. Sorry, J-Dub.

I agree completely. I'm so pleased they kept CR for last (last of the Flemings at least) but LALD didn't get nearly the service it deserved. What a fantastic book, and what a lack-luster film (IMO). Lets see it with Craig and the seriousness and textual accuracy it should have had in the first place!

[Blonde Bond]

No thanks. I want to see a completely original story and not another take on the novels, already made into movies.

[00Twelve]

Now that I'm actually into the book again, there are several major points that I admit I can't imagine how to adapt.

1. The network of blacks. There is no way that MAJOR race issues would pop up if the villains were all African-American.
2. The method to 'control' that network. LALD operated on the principle that there were a large number of lower-class blacks that would be simple enough to buy into the voodoo threat of Baron Samedi.
3. The long train sequence. Who would actually travel by train for efficiency instead of scenery today?

Unless there were an AMAZING way to adapt/skip these major issues, perhaps there isn't a way to remake this story. That would really be a pity, IMO. It's one of the best stories. And with this spoiler about Bond 22, it sounds as if they're not gonna move too far away from CR.

[SecretAgentFan]

Somehow, I have a bad feeling about remaking the films based on the novels. I

[Sanjuro007]

Now that I'm actually into the book again, there are several major points that I admit I can't imagine how to adapt.

1. The network of blacks. There is no way that MAJOR race issues would pop up if the villains were all African-American.
2. The method to 'control' that network. LALD operated on the principle that there were a large number of lower-class blacks that would be simple enough to buy into the voodoo threat of Baron Samedi.
3. The long train sequence. Who would actually travel by train for efficiency instead of scenery today?

Unless there were an AMAZING way to adapt/skip these major issues, perhaps there isn't a way to remake this story. That would really be a pity, IMO. It's one of the best stories. And with this spoiler about Bond 22, it sounds as if they're not gonna move too far away from CR.

I agree it would be quite a challenge. A lot of things would have to be modernized and accounted for in a "re-imagining" of the book. So much so that it might be impossible to get right.

If they did try to adapt it, I think Daniel Craig could really hold his own and not look totally out of place as Roger Moore (quite intentionally) did in LALD.

[RazorBlade]

Eon is going to do LALD as Bond 22?

[00Twelve]

No, not that we know of, we're just musing that as this CR adaptation is a remake, perhaps they'll remake more of the novels in order and stick closer to them. Logically, LALD would be next.

[Mr.Kiss Kiss Bang Bang]

Think it's worth a try!

[00Twelve]

Oh, me too...