Only if he's smoking in bed.
Why? Does it make you feel inadequate?
Posted 06 October 2006 - 06:48 PM
Only if he's smoking in bed.
Posted 06 October 2006 - 06:52 PM
Only if he's smoking in bed.
He is.
Posted 06 October 2006 - 07:15 PM
Posted 07 October 2006 - 11:18 AM
Posted 07 October 2006 - 01:45 PM
Edited by icecold, 07 October 2006 - 01:51 PM.
Posted 07 October 2006 - 08:46 PM
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Posted 08 October 2006 - 01:12 AM
That's probably sarcastic but I agree. We've only seen Bond at his desk once, maybe twice in the whole series, IIRC. A little scene with him sitting there in his office enjoying a coffee and reviewing some intel on his desk, then being called into M's office to rush off and save the world again would be nice.In the books, he also does a LOT of paperwork.
I want to see more paperwork in the movies.
Posted 08 October 2006 - 03:31 AM
That's a good idea. I mean it would take up about 30 seconds... maybe a minute in a movie, but i like the ideaThat's probably sarcastic but I agree. We've only seen Bond at his desk once, maybe twice in the whole series, IIRC. A little scene with him sitting there in his office enjoying a coffee and reviewing some intel on his desk, then being called into M's office to rush off and save the world again would be nice.
In the books, he also does a LOT of paperwork.
I want to see more paperwork in the movies.
Posted 13 October 2006 - 06:13 PM
Posted 14 October 2006 - 12:37 AM
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Posted 19 October 2006 - 06:28 AM
Posted 19 October 2006 - 07:19 AM
But do you think Bond is missing it?
And if so...why?
Edited by dee-bee-five, 19 October 2006 - 07:29 AM.
Posted 19 October 2006 - 07:59 AM
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Posted 25 October 2006 - 02:35 AM
I agree with you on both points. Bond smoking should only be used to ramp up the intensity, not while he's playing slots in the middle of an indian resort.I'd love to see him puffing in a moment of dark intensity, rather than during more flippant sections of a film. It would suit me to see him smoking while he's preparing himself before a tough kill. Just strolling through a casino, or lounging at a bar wouldn't call for it though. It should be used to amplify intensity, not just for the sake of hitting Fleming on the mark.
Just my opinion.
As for the whole 'rolemodeling the kids' theory... hogwash.
Posted 25 October 2006 - 09:10 PM
Posted 27 October 2006 - 12:52 AM
But do you think Bond is missing it?
And if so...why?
I really do, and I write as a non-smoker. As a fan of the novels first and foremost, I always liked those moments when Bond smoked his "sinful" fifth cigarette before breakfast because it made him much more human. It's a mistake to regard Fleming's just as a man who smoked 70 a day, and drank a fair bit of alcohol.
It's more subtle than that; Fleming's Bond is a man who is aware he probably smokes and drinks too much, but recognises they are outlets from the horrible tensions of his job. Bond is a man who kills other men on the orders of his government; this is a moral minefield, one which Fleming explores brilliantly in Casino Royale. Bond somehow has to reconcile himself to what he's doing and patriotism really isn't enough.
Far from glorifying cigarettes, alcohol and sex, I take away from Fleming's books that these are very much Bond's weaknesses; but necessary ones to relieve the build-up of tension and stop him going mad. We've only really got a hint of that a few times in the movies (the preparation to kill Dent in Dr. No; waiting in the hotel in TND) and I wish we'd seen more of them. For what it's worth, I also think that any adaptation of Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes stories which ignores Holmes' rather genteel cocaine habit are also missing a trick.
So I'm not advocating Bond smoking in the movies just because it flies in the face of political correctness (although anything that irritates the PC brigade is fine by me.) It's because, for me, Bond's smoking is an integral part of who he is and what he does. I know some posters have, sometimes amusingly, argued that boring paperwork, snobbery and mild racism and misogyny were also part of Fleming's Bond and that if one argues Bond should smoke, then he should also be portrayed as a snobbish pen-pusher who is disdainful of minorities and slaps women. But I submit that those elements (reprehensible though they might be) are not weaknesses and are not, therefore, an essential counterbalance to Bond's superman tendencies in the way smoking, drinking and s*agging are.
Bond not smoking has never spoiled watching the movies for me; that would be silly. But whenever Bond has lit up a cigarette onscreen it has, for me, always given an extra little link back to Fleming and that's never a bad thing.
One final thought on whether Bond should be seen smoking or not: just try imaginging the opening casino scene in Dr. No without him smoking.
Posted 27 October 2006 - 12:58 AM
Posted 30 October 2006 - 05:04 PM
But do you think Bond is missing it?
And if so...why?
I really do, and I write as a non-smoker. As a fan of the novels first and foremost, I always liked those moments when Bond smoked his "sinful" fifth cigarette before breakfast because it made him much more human. It's a mistake to regard Fleming's just as a man who smoked 70 a day, and drank a fair bit of alcohol.
It's more subtle than that; Fleming's Bond is a man who is aware he probably smokes and drinks too much, but recognises they are outlets from the horrible tensions of his job. Bond is a man who kills other men on the orders of his government; this is a moral minefield, one which Fleming explores brilliantly in Casino Royale. Bond somehow has to reconcile himself to what he's doing and patriotism really isn't enough.
Far from glorifying cigarettes, alcohol and sex, I take away from Fleming's books that these are very much Bond's weaknesses; but necessary ones to relieve the build-up of tension and stop him going mad. We've only really got a hint of that a few times in the movies (the preparation to kill Dent in Dr. No; waiting in the hotel in TND) and I wish we'd seen more of them. For what it's worth, I also think that any adaptation of Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes stories which ignores Holmes' rather genteel cocaine habit are also missing a trick.
So I'm not advocating Bond smoking in the movies just because it flies in the face of political correctness (although anything that irritates the PC brigade is fine by me.) It's because, for me, Bond's smoking is an integral part of who he is and what he does. I know some posters have, sometimes amusingly, argued that boring paperwork, snobbery and mild racism and misogyny were also part of Fleming's Bond and that if one argues Bond should smoke, then he should also be portrayed as a snobbish pen-pusher who is disdainful of minorities and slaps women. But I submit that those elements (reprehensible though they might be) are not weaknesses and are not, therefore, an essential counterbalance to Bond's superman tendencies in the way smoking, drinking and s*agging are.
Bond not smoking has never spoiled watching the movies for me; that would be silly. But whenever Bond has lit up a cigarette onscreen it has, for me, always given an extra little link back to Fleming and that's never a bad thing.
One final thought on whether Bond should be seen smoking or not: just try imaginging the opening casino scene in Dr. No without him smoking.
Terrific, terrific post. I agree absolutely.
Posted 30 October 2006 - 05:34 PM
But do you think Bond is missing it?
And if so...why?
I really do, and I write as a non-smoker. As a fan of the novels first and foremost, I always liked those moments when Bond smoked his "sinful" fifth cigarette before breakfast because it made him much more human. It's a mistake to regard Fleming's just as a man who smoked 70 a day, and drank a fair bit of alcohol.
It's more subtle than that; Fleming's Bond is a man who is aware he probably smokes and drinks too much, but recognises they are outlets from the horrible tensions of his job. Bond is a man who kills other men on the orders of his government; this is a moral minefield, one which Fleming explores brilliantly in Casino Royale. Bond somehow has to reconcile himself to what he's doing and patriotism really isn't enough.
Far from glorifying cigarettes, alcohol and sex, I take away from Fleming's books that these are very much Bond's weaknesses; but necessary ones to relieve the build-up of tension and stop him going mad. We've only really got a hint of that a few times in the movies (the preparation to kill Dent in Dr. No; waiting in the hotel in TND) and I wish we'd seen more of them. For what it's worth, I also think that any adaptation of Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes stories which ignores Holmes' rather genteel cocaine habit are also missing a trick.
So I'm not advocating Bond smoking in the movies just because it flies in the face of political correctness (although anything that irritates the PC brigade is fine by me.) It's because, for me, Bond's smoking is an integral part of who he is and what he does. I know some posters have, sometimes amusingly, argued that boring paperwork, snobbery and mild racism and misogyny were also part of Fleming's Bond and that if one argues Bond should smoke, then he should also be portrayed as a snobbish pen-pusher who is disdainful of minorities and slaps women. But I submit that those elements (reprehensible though they might be) are not weaknesses and are not, therefore, an essential counterbalance to Bond's superman tendencies in the way smoking, drinking and s*agging are.
Bond not smoking has never spoiled watching the movies for me; that would be silly. But whenever Bond has lit up a cigarette onscreen it has, for me, always given an extra little link back to Fleming and that's never a bad thing.
One final thought on whether Bond should be seen smoking or not: just try imaginging the opening casino scene in Dr. No without him smoking.
Posted 31 October 2006 - 12:10 AM