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[bernsmartin007]

Could the mods make this into a poll please?

Basically I think for Bond 22 onwards with new directors DC's Bond should light a few cigarettes. They are going back to the real character from Fleming and these will be darker more violent and gritty films. I think the hard 007 needs the odd smoke as it's a part of the character. In the books Bond was the exact opposite of politically correct, that's one of the whole points of it.

Edited by bernsmartin007, 03 October 2006 - 07:04 PM.

[DamnCoffee]

Thanks for the Image Berns

I wouldn't mind Craigs Bond Smoke at all IMO its the Missing piece of the puzzle (minus the Scar on his cheek)for a hard edged fleming Bond

[bernsmartin007]

I can't help but think of how good CR is looking but if he smoked a couple of cigarettes in it it would just tip it over the edge into amazing.

Seeing 007 under pressure and lighting a cigarette, showing a human quality in this, would give it that extra missing thing indeed. He's not a kids role model...that's just utter tripe, he's a killer and a dark character with Daniel Craig. That idea is just a big load of toilet, James Bond has smoked in many of the Connery's, Lazenby's, cigars in the Moore's, many cigarettes in the Dalton's and even a couple of cigars in the last one Die Another Day. If any kids liked Bond so much they would copy his smoking they would anyway because he already has many times and stopping it now makes no difference whatsoever.

Kids who start smoking because of that will do it anyway for some reason or another, big deal.

I find it damages the style and humanity of the character, seeing Connery and Dalton sitting there smoking stamps "real James Bond" all over them.

[DamnCoffee]

I totally agree There not making this for Kids there making it for Mature young Adults

[bernsmartin007]

Like this great photo from Licence to Kill:

http://s82.photobuck...gAnch=imgAnch23

[DamnCoffee]

A great image one from of the LTK Deleted Scenes i belive plus dalton looks extremly Bondain there

[K1Bond007]

I honestly don't care, but I do believe the Bond of this century wouldn't smoke.

I went into more detail in this earlier post.

[Thunderfinger]

As I recently quit smoking myself, I

[darkpath]

[quote name='Thunderfinger' post='619860' date='3 October 2006 - 16:32']
As I recently quit smoking myself, I

[Thunderfinger]

Bond still displays vices. Gambling and womanizing for example.
His whole lifestyle.

[bernsmartin007]

[quote name='darkpath' post='619900' date='3 October 2006 - 22:31']
[quote name='Thunderfinger' post='619860' date='3 October 2006 - 16:32']
As I recently quit smoking myself, I

[darkpath]

Ian Fleming was constantly ordered to stop smoking and drinking by doctors but he refused. He gave this characteristic to James Bond.

007's epitaph:

"I won't waste my days in trying to prolong them, I shall use my time"

I was speculating more along the lines of whether Fleming would have started smoking in the first place, not whether he would have stopped. Clearly, he wouldn't have stopped; but were Fleming born, say 50 years later, and instead of a veteran of WWII was a veteran of the Falklands War or the first Gulf War, would he have taken up smoking?

More specifically, would a spec-ops veteran like Bond start smoking were Fleming to create him today? That was why I posed the question of whether anyone knew what percentage of current British special operators actually do smoke. Smoking is hardly the only vice one can have. Trust me!

[Santa]

That's a very good point, darkpath. I'm not particularly keen to see Bond smoke but I think in these days he's likely to do the 'social smoking' thing. I know plenty of people who do this, they don't smoke in everyday life, but when they're in a bar with a group of people and have a drink in hand, they light up. Also a member of the special forces I knew did this, so while my first reaction would have been that of course a Bond in this day and age wouldn't smoke, I think under those circumstances he might. I'd still be just as happy not to see Bond smoke as I don't find grey clouds that attractive unless they're coming from the right end of a fat Camberwell carrot.

[Judo chop]

I'd love to see him puffing in a moment of dark intensity, rather than during more flippant sections of a film. It would suit me to see him smoking while he's preparing himself before a tough kill. Just strolling through a casino, or lounging at a bar wouldn't call for it though. It should be used to amplify intensity, not just for the sake of hitting Fleming on the mark.

Just my opinion.

As for the whole 'rolemodeling the kids' theory... hogwash.

[K1Bond007]

[quote name='bernsmartin007' post='620357' date='4 October 2006 - 10:45']
[quote name='darkpath' post='619900' date='3 October 2006 - 22:31']
[quote name='Thunderfinger' post='619860' date='3 October 2006 - 16:32']
As I recently quit smoking myself, I

[Qwerty]

Poll added.

I don't care.

[Skudor]

Neither do I.

[Johnboy007]

"Don't care"

If I had it my way no one would smoke.

[Double-O Eleven]

"Don't care"

If I had it my way no one would smoke.

Agree with that. I used to perfer Bond to smoke just because it fit my idea of his self-destructive attitude, but I've come to believe that it neither adds nor detracts from the films.

[Andrew]

I'd like to see him smoke but it really doesn't make a difference.

[Double-0-Seven]

It doesn't matter to me, so I voted "Don't Care".

[JimmyBond]

I don't care really. I tried smoking myself, and I didnt fancy it, so I don't see why Bond should do it.

[DLibrasnow]

I voted no. But that doesn't mean I would be upset if Bond lit up. I love the movie The Living Daylights and Bond's smoking like a chimney in one of the scenes in that movie.

[Bwanito]

Smoking is very important in the novels. And sometimes it's connected to the ambiance of a scene (remember the description of the casino in the first page of the novel). I think that it's also important for the knowledge of the character (you have to live fast and in a dangerous way when you live like Bond). Besides, it can give a cool attitude (ok it can be seen like an advertising, but it'll be not the first time).

[MarcAngeDraco]

I don't think you need to make the film Bond a 70 cig/day chain-smoker in the films, but certain scenes just call out for the smoky ambiance. (I always think of the scene in TND where Bond's sitting in the hotel room waiting and drinking vodka. Would have set the perfect tone if he was smoking as well.)

As for myself, I only smoke an occasional cigar and can't stand cigarettes.

[hcmv007]

I don't think you need to make the film Bond a 70 cig/day chain-smoker in the films, but certain scenes just call out for the smoky ambiance. (I always think of the scene in TND where Bond's sitting in the hotel room waiting and drinking vodka. Would have set the perfect tone if he was smoking as well.)

As for myself, I only smoke an occasional cigar and can't stand cigarettes.

An LSU fan agreeing 100% with an Auburn fan. Stranger things have happened.


I think Bond should go for Cigars, they are the cigarettes of today.

[Daddy Bond]

Don't care really. I'm not opendly looking for a cigarette (in other words, if it comes to the end of the film and he didn't light-up, I'm not saying to myself, "Hey! He didn't smoke! What a bummer!")

If he does, that's fine. If he does not, that's fine.

Regards

[Santa]

Oh. So you don't edit out the smoking scenes?

[Skudor]

LOL

[Daddy Bond]

Only if he's smoking in bed.