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[MarcAngeDraco]

I think we'll find that Danjaq has first refusal whether to make Young Bond films or not.

As to the poster, I thought it clearly says "Ian Fleming's James Bond". With the exception of Thunderball, no other Eon Bond film has given a story credit to Ian Fleming. Why would they start now? As for the possessive credit, it is just in keeping with the films since SWLM. I don't think it's a mistake or something someone has failed to catch. It just is.

We're not looking for a separate story credit ACE. We were just hoping Fleming's name would be moved back before the title of the film instead of before the character. With the exception of TSWLM, every movie of a novel has featured Fleming's name before the title. Even after TSWLM, it snapped back for Moonraker. Be nice to see that followed through for tradition's sake. This will be our last chance to see the credits this way. I also just think it would be good luck.

This topic made me pull out Nourmand's poster book and check out some of the old posters.
Something I had never noticed before: At least one of the Moonraker posters has it "Roger Moore as Ian Fleming's James Bond 007 in Moonraker", but most have it "Roger Moore as James Bond 007 in Ian Fleming's Moonraker".

[zencat]

Something else that's fun to check out, MarcAngeDraco, is which actors receive the coveted "is" James Bond instead of "as" James Bond. Maybe there's a trivia question here. Which Bond's received the "is" billing? I believe it's only Connery and Moore...and you have to search a bit to find Moore's.

[triviachamp]

Something else that's fun to check out, MarcAngeDraco, is which actors receive the coveted "is" James Bond instead of "as" James Bond. Maybe there's a trivia question here. Which Bond's received the "is" billing? I believe it's only Connery and Moore...and you have to search a bit to find Moore's.

I don't believe that was ever used in the credits. However it was used in the advertising for Connery in YOLT and NSNA and Moore in Octopussy.

[Blofeld's Cat]

Small print, eh?

Still, who goes round reading film posters?

I do.

And I'm also one who reads the end credits and doesn't get out of my seat until the curtains start closing.

The actual movie is the meat in the sandwich for me.

[mccartney007]

Something else that's fun to check out, MarcAngeDraco, is which actors receive the coveted "is" James Bond instead of "as" James Bond. Maybe there's a trivia question here. Which Bond's received the "is" billing? I believe it's only Connery and Moore...and you have to search a bit to find Moore's.

I think Brosnan got it on at least one of the GOLDENEYE posters (teaser, maybe?). I could be wrong though.

[Harmsway]

Something else that's fun to check out, MarcAngeDraco, is which actors receive the coveted "is" James Bond instead of "as" James Bond. Maybe there's a trivia question here. Which Bond's received the "is" billing? I believe it's only Connery and Moore...and you have to search a bit to find Moore's.

I think Brosnan got it on at least one of the GOLDENEYE posters (teaser, maybe?). I could be wrong though.

Brosnan never got it on a poster. However, I believe he did get it in the DIE ANOTHER DAY theatrical trailer.

[K1Bond007]

Something else that's fun to check out, MarcAngeDraco, is which actors receive the coveted "is" James Bond instead of "as" James Bond. Maybe there's a trivia question here. Which Bond's received the "is" billing? I believe it's only Connery and Moore...and you have to search a bit to find Moore's.

I think Brosnan got it on at least one of the GOLDENEYE posters (teaser, maybe?). I could be wrong though.

Brosnan never got it on a poster. However, I believe he did get it in the DIE ANOTHER DAY theatrical trailer.

All the ones I have that include such a line say "as" for Brosnan. In fact all the trailers that I know of going back to Moore's era say "as."

I should note that is text. There are a couple Moore ones that vocally say "is."

[zencat]

Something else that's fun to check out, MarcAngeDraco, is which actors receive the coveted "is" James Bond instead of "as" James Bond. Maybe there's a trivia question here. Which Bond's received the "is" billing? I believe it's only Connery and Moore...and you have to search a bit to find Moore's.

I think Brosnan got it on at least one of the GOLDENEYE posters (teaser, maybe?). I could be wrong though.

Brosnan never got it on a poster. However, I believe he did get it in the DIE ANOTHER DAY theatrical trailer.

All the ones I have that include such a line say "as" for Brosnan. In fact all the trailers that I know of going back to Moore's era say "as."

I should note that is text. There are a couple Moore ones that vocally say "is."

Has anyone found the (printed) Moore one yet? I recall now where it was.

(And there might be a second, but I'm not able to check that one right now.)

[K1Bond007]

It's the Moonraker teaser IIRC. The one with him flying over the moon. I didn't know I was supposed to guess.

[Problem Eliminator]

(But then again, they reprinted Brosnan's shaved look for TND, so who knows?)

What is this referring to? I have an extensive collection of Bond posters, including several from TND, but I am unclear about this comment. Is it just a reference to the differing Brosnan faces on the teaser, US 1 sheet and international 1 sheet respectively? Any clarification is appreciated.

Regarding the topic of this thread, I can only reiterate my (and many others') comments from the poster thread: It is a bad mistake for CR's poster not to use the "in Ian Fleming's" credit style previously accorded to (most) of the movies sharing a title with one of his books. Sure to be the most "true-to-Fleming" Bond film in decades, CR should use this old-school style or at least credit him with a separate "story by" or "based on the novel by" line.

[AgentPB]

Great article! I have to say as someone who has just started to read Ian Flemings's books I now have a deeper apprecition for the charcter he made. So many of the movies could have been better if they just stuck to his orgnal charcter more. i think Fleming deserves more credit if only for the reason that more people read his books.

[Flash1087]

Personally, if we were going to go for one or the other, I'd rather it said

Daniel Craig
as James Bond 007
in Ian Fleming's
CASINO ROYALE

I think it's a bit more important to establish that this movie is, more-or-less, an adaptation of Fleming's work as opposed to something new starring Fleming's character. Putting the "Ian Fleming's" credit before the movie title would emphasize that. At least, I think it would.

Wow. The word 'Fleming' appears waaaay too many times in this post. What's the term for when you see a word so many times it temporarily loses all meaning?

[Gabriel]

I hope the old credit style is restored this time. Then again, I hope one or two of the novels which were previously adapted into films 'in name only' might yet get made, technically allowing Fleming's old credit to return!

As for Young Bond, I suspect Eon/Danjaq/whatever, if indeed they do have first refusal, will want to get their main Bond series relaunch up and running and at least a second Daniel Craig film in theatres before considering a boy Bond series. Personally, I'd rather they didn't touch Young Bond films with a barge pole! The main Bonds are a present-day-set franchise and clearly getting more 'adult' again. I suspect that a backward-looking children's series set in the 1930s wouldn't make a particularly good companion film series.

They could probably make a very good TV series out of the Young Bonds, as the different medium would allow more of the book material to be used and continuity between the series wouldn't be an issue anymore.

Edited by Gabriel, 17 September 2006 - 10:52 AM.

[MarcAngeDraco]

It's the Moonraker teaser IIRC. The one with him flying over the moon. I didn't know I was supposed to guess.

The US Advance "A"... I think we're talking about the same one, except that's the Earth he's flying over...

[trumanlodge89]

I'd love the poster to read, "Ian Fleming's Casino Royale." But as long as DC doesn't get the Lazenby treatment we should be fine.

[zencat]

It's the Moonraker teaser IIRC. The one with him flying over the moon. I didn't know I was supposed to guess.

The US Advance "A"... I think we're talking about the same one, except that's the Earth he's flying over...

That's it. One of my all-time fav posters.

[Nimsworth]

I'd love the poster to read, "Ian Fleming's Casino Royale." But as long as DC doesn't get the Lazenby treatment we should be fine.

Seconded. You gotta feel sorry for Laz that he's the only one who never got the ACTOR NAME as James Bond 007.

Has anyone actually seen the Final One-Sheet in cimemas in the flash yet? It could be that the physical poster has "Ian Fleming's Casino Royale" (and maybe a less photoshoppy looking Craig in it) but hey thats wishful thinking.

[trumanlodge89]

Also, in regard to Jeffery Wright getting the "WITH" treatment.

I thought that if an actor wasn't first or second in the main credits, wouldn't he want to be last? That's where Bernard Lee and Judi Dench always were in the title sequence.

[Bond#9-GeorgeKemp]

Fleming's got a writing credit in the film credits but i think we have to ask 'Is it still Fleming's CR?' or 'Is it more Fleming's Bond than Fleming's Story?'

[Dr. Noah]

Fleming's got a writing credit in the film credits but i think we have to ask 'Is it still Fleming's CR?' or 'Is it more Fleming's Bond than Fleming's Story?'

It's got a lot of the book in it. It's probably just too repetitive to post "Daniel Craig as Ian Fleming's James Bond in Ian Fleming's 'CASINO ROYALE'"

IFP probably had it in its contract for the last 20 years since they stopped using original titles that EON had to always say "Ian Fleming's James Bond" in the titles.

[Double-Oh Agent]

IFP probably had it in its contract for the last 20 years since they stopped using original titles that EON had to always say "Ian Fleming's James Bond" in the titles.

It's my understanding that Cubby Broccoli stipulated to Michael and Barbara that Ian Fleming should/would always have his name in the films' and posters' credits even if he didn't have anything to do with the story. It was his way of ensuring Fleming's legacy and publicly associating him with his creation.

[hcmv007]

I for one hope it is an oversight.

[Simon]

(But then again, they reprinted Brosnan's shaved look for TND, so who knows?)

What is this referring to? I have an extensive collection of Bond posters, including several from TND, but I am unclear about this comment. Is it just a reference to the differing Brosnan faces on the teaser, US 1 sheet and international 1 sheet respectively? Any clarification is appreciated.

Apologies for the lateness of response.

The UK Main release quad was printed a couple of times (at least). There was a version with Brosnan sporting a 5 o' clock shadow, a version without, and there was also a version whereby they printed Raymond Benson as Richard Benson ref the tie-in. My God, they were printing furiously in those days.

Whether 'Richard' was featured on the shadow version or not, I do not know.

Indeed, variations of posters is something of an area of interest - ask away shoulf there be other such queries.

[Thunderfinger]

It should read
"Ian Fleming

[Problem Eliminator]

(But then again, they reprinted Brosnan's shaved look for TND, so who knows?)

What is this referring to? I have an extensive collection of Bond posters, including several from TND, but I am unclear about this comment. Is it just a reference to the differing Brosnan faces on the teaser, US 1 sheet and international 1 sheet respectively? Any clarification is appreciated.

Apologies for the lateness of response.

The UK Main release quad was printed a couple of times (at least). There was a version with Brosnan sporting a 5 o' clock shadow, a version without, and there was also a version whereby they printed Raymond Benson as Richard Benson ref the tie-in. My God, they were printing furiously in those days.

Whether 'Richard' was featured on the shadow version or not, I do not know.

Indeed, variations of posters is something of an area of interest - ask away shoulf there be other such queries.

Thanks for the detailed response Simon, most appreciated.

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Check this out. The new French poster. Am I nuts, or does ity say "Ian Fleming's Casino Royale"

http://www.jamesbond...efinitive-.html

[Skudor]

The old boy's name seems to immediately preceed the name Casino Royale... cool.

[zencat]

Hold the phone. Apparently it doesn't say this. According to MarkT in another thread, the sentence structure is different in French, but it still is crediting Fleming as the creator of Bond, not the story. Oh well.