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[stamper]

Whatever they have in mind with Bond 22 story, I think they will lose, because, simply, no Fleming will be at the core of the movie, apart maybe bits and pieces left from the novels.

I think they should follow up with the CR template, ie take all the novels, and adapt the core of each one as the second act of each upcoming movie, adding a first act and a third act to round it up. If the CR formula proves a success, that would be the best way to go, story wise.

Because quite Frankly, I'm afraid the Fleming touch, so apparent in the trailer, may be gone from the sequel.

I'm not saying "re-adapt the novels", I'm saying, just use strong elements from each novels, and build your story around them, just like they did with CR.

[SecretAgentFan]

I agree that CR could be a tough act to follow. Yet I believe that EON already laid out plans what kind of Bond films the reboot is gonna produce. I expect more realistic bad guys and schemes, more involving character portraits of Bond and basically a more badass Bond.

[CM007]

I agree that CR might be a tough act to follow as most of the story is from Flemings novel so they can hardly Mess it up....Can They? but Bond22 will be the real test IMO because they

[SecretAgentFan]

Or- it could be Craig

[Thunderfinger]

I agree.They should stick with Fleming.This is a once in a lifetime chance.LIVE AND LET DIE 2008 or whatever they would call it , would knock the 73 version out flat.I WANT TO SEE IT!

[JimmyBond]

Bond22 could very well be the next LTK...

Promise? Licence to Kill is my favorite Bond film. If we got another film along the lines of that one I'd be overjoyed

[Harmsway]

BOND 22 will be a hard one to put together, but I think it'll work out fine. Craig already dropped a big hint about it being a revenge-driven flick, so I envisage something like the pre-title sequence of DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER, just drawn out over a film.

Could be very, very cool indeed.

[DaveBond21]

I agree that CR could be a tough act to follow. Yet I believe that EON already laid out plans what kind of Bond films the reboot is gonna produce. I expect more realistic bad guys and schemes, more involving character portraits of Bond and basically a more badass Bond.

Yes, I agree.


I think it will be a kind of LTK style of movie, with a hint ot TWINE.

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[Harmsway]

Well, ideally, I'd like that DAF PTS-like scenario (which seems to be the case) drawn out over a film, but without any really overly heavy personal drama to the events. Just a pissed off Bond taking people down and getting a few girls along the way.

Make it a little less heavy than CASINO ROYALE in nature, though - give it a little more humor about itself (not cringeworthy innuendo sort of humor... but just some nice black humor), and keep it amazingly stylish.

[stamper]

I'm saying all this, because I believe Fleming is like the Beatles : it's not because you are excited by reading / Listening and understand where they come from and how they put it together, that you can reproduce writing / songs as good as they did.

How come the opening of LD (the movie) is for example, pure Fleming, but the rest doesn't sustain the same atmosphere and quality (even thought it's good). It's like Hitchcock, often imitated, never equalled.

[Santa]

Well, ideally, I'd like that DAF PTS-like scenario (which seems to be the case) drawn out over a film, but without any really overly heavy personal drama to the events. Just a pissed off Bond taking people down and getting a few girls along the way.

Make it a little less heavy than CASINO ROYALE in nature, though - give it a little more humor about itself (not cringeworthy innuendo sort of humor... but just some nice black humor), and keep it amazingly stylish.

Spot on. Could you write and direct it please, Harmsway?

[avl]

Well, ideally, I'd like that DAF PTS-like scenario (which seems to be the case) drawn out over a film, but without any really overly heavy personal drama to the events. Just a pissed off Bond taking people down and getting a few girls along the way.

Make it a little less heavy than CASINO ROYALE in nature, though - give it a little more humor about itself (not cringeworthy innuendo sort of humor... but just some nice black humor), and keep it amazingly stylish.

Spot on. Could you write and direct it please, Harmsway?

Yep, I'd watch it

[AgentPB]

BOND 22 will be a hard one to put together, but I think it'll work out fine. Craig already dropped a big hint about it being a revenge-driven flick, so I envisage something like the pre-title sequence of DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER, just drawn out over a film.

Could be very, very cool indeed.

I really liked the book LALD despite how outdated it is. I think it would be a great movie. If you guys want revenge like i do, what would mean enough to Bond to go off in a bloody rage? His friend Felix Lieter getting his leg and arm amputated off would work. Also i think James Bond in America is a very intresting situation. I also think it's time for another major black villian. Make Mr. Big really smart just like he was in the book an equal to bonds intelect. Also i think the next bond movie will need some jokes injected into it.

[Harmsway]

If you guys want revenge like i do, what would mean enough to Bond to go off in a bloody rage? His friend Felix Lieter getting his leg and arm amputated off would work.

We already had that in LICENCE TO KILL, and redoing it would be extremely shabby. Bond already has a cause for revenge, anyway - it's been given to him in CASINO ROYALE.

Also i think James Bond in America is a very intresting situation.

We've already had that in GOLDFINGER, DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER, LIVE AND LET DIE (which *really* used up the Bond-in-America motif), A VIEW TO A KILL, and LICENCE TO KILL. It's not interesting anymore.

Well, ideally, I'd like that DAF PTS-like scenario (which seems to be the case) drawn out over a film, but without any really overly heavy personal drama to the events. Just a pissed off Bond taking people down and getting a few girls along the way.

Make it a little less heavy than CASINO ROYALE in nature, though - give it a little more humor about itself (not cringeworthy innuendo sort of humor... but just some nice black humor), and keep it amazingly stylish.

Spot on. Could you write and direct it please, Harmsway?

Yep, I'd watch it

I'd love to do it. With EON apparently scrambling for a screenwriter and director, maybe I could step in and show 'em all how it should be done.

[Bondfan007]

If we are talking about adapting the books, why not the Benson or Gardners also

[DaveBond21]

Yes, I think there is so much original material out there, we don't need remakes of old movies.

Plus, I don't think the Bond producers like the idea of the fans knowing the story/ending of each movie before they see it, despite that being the case for some people with CR.

[stamper]

I have don't read the Benson, but I read most of the Gardner's and despite the first few being entertaining, it's not Ian Fleming's James Bond.

And despite having a life of their own, the movies owns everything to Fleming's James Bond.

How can you describe it ? Bond is taking breakfast, and there is something exciting about the brand of cofee, sugar, bread, butter he is chosing and eating. A breakfast becomes exciting to read about. That is pure Fleming, something no one else can ever do in litterature. That is not just about culinary, it's about everything.

Take the lunch scene in Goldfinger, where Bond notices the brand of cherry and is reprimanded by M. Then M sniffs the bottle, and realise Bond was right. Pure Fleming, a mix of snobbery and tension mixed with passion. And they actually eat, with some nazi gold on the table. Nazi ! All these things comes to life via Fleming personality, mastery of ideas, and brilliantly served by cast, crew, music etc...

IMHO, they MUST keep going that direction after CR, because they will not be able to paint that touch out of nowhere. CR is the ultimate Bond fan dream, because it's actually based on a novel, and faithfull to most of it.

Let them continue taking all the novels in order as the basis of each forthcoming movie, they can rename them for all we care, to avoid comparison with the old movies.

And then, wasn't CR already a movie ? Who cares ? By doing "Live and Let Die" as the 22 aka 2nd movie, they can then proceed re-doing, so to speak, the Bond franchise for the next 40 years. And I have the feeling that is exactly what they have in mind, because that is just what Craig spoke about pre-filming the movie. By rebooting, it means they will redo, albeit totally differently, all the novels.

As for america being old, come on : with the rap industry being what it is today, and millions flogging to any movie with a great black character, weither hero or villain, it would be judicious, commercially speaking, to have Craig involved with a black woman, and fighting against some black baron, on his way to discover who his being Le Chiffre.

I say : bring on "Live and Let Die" as Bond 22, steal many things from the novel, and have the publicity still going as "remake of the old movie", when did Hollywood become shy about remakes, specially one that totally rewrite the old ?

Plus I might add, Bond 22 named "Live and let die" is more exciting than "Hildebrand rarity"

[spynovelfan]

I think remakes are a bad idea, and would be as good as admitting they've run out of puff. Amusing as it is to imagine Snoop Doggy Dogg revealing that he was the mastermind behind Le Chiffre's operation and teasing Bond that his beeyatch is dead, I think they should try something new.

I think it's possible to capture Fleming's spirit when not using his material - Fleming's plots were often dire, anyway. The plot of the novel CASINO ROYALE is absolutely laughable, when you think about it. Le Chiffre's in enormous trouble with SMERSH, so his plan is to... win back all the money at a casino. If you owed hundreds of thousands, would that be your way of recouping? Because I'd be rather conscious of the fact that I'd be in even greater within a day, especially if I was playing a game that entirely relied on chance. Even more absurd is that MI6 knows of the situation, and instead of just letting the idiot lose all his money, decide to send in an agent to make sure he does, thus risking their own money and achieving not a whole lot in return. And le Chiffre has a very intricate plot involving an agent he has managed to infiltrate into the British secret services - he has! This pimp! - which he strings along, all the time not doing too much about the fact that his only hope of avoiding death is to win at cards. Come on. It's ludicrous.

The reason it works is because of the language, voice, characters, authenticity of locale and other details - and the tone and spirit. You can replicate that without using the plot, and in fact the thing I like least about the otherwise superb trailer is the bit that is most directly from Fleming, which is M telling Bond about le Chiffre. The fanboy in me likes that they have the line about him being the best gambler in the Service, which is straight from the book; the filmgoer in me wishes they'd thought of something less silly, in the same way they improved GF with the radiation and FRWL by using SPECTRE.

I love Fleming's LALD, but I wish it had followed through with Bond's vow to go after SMERSH that we got at the end of the first novel. Fleming never gave us that, but I think it would be possible to create the core of Bond 22 from the tone and timbre of the last few paragraphs of CASINO ROYALE. That's a film I'd like to see.

[ACE]

Steady on, SNF. The Bond Police will getcha!

Yeah, I don't want to see remakes either. But unused plot, character, visual elements from Fleming - hell, yeah! I could imagine a sequence with CraigBond meeting a Robber-like subvillain who lazily blows away a pelican. Or a little hotel bomb going off in Bond's suite. Or car chase where an articulated lorry sheds it's load on to Bond's car. Or Two Men In Straw Hats (alas, not in CR the movie, or so I understand).

[spynovelfan]

Or he could that thing with his Rolex.

Love the signature, ACE.

[Nimsworth]

I'll have a seat on the "No-Remakes" side of the room thanks.

As much as I'd love to see LALD done again the original (film that is) will always be compared to the new one. The last thing they need with the Bond reboot is to have John Citizen comparing one Bond as the new new one in a different place. Just to demonstrate what I'm trying to say the last thing new Bond films need is a description like "TSWLM only in space" or "Just like LTK except it's Vesper who's his reason for revenge"

And I really hope they don't call it "Risico" but I know I'm in the small minority for that.

[David Schofield]

Well, if we're after "unused" Fleming what about the one he wrote about someone building a nuclear rocket on behalf of the country and then aiming it at London in a crazy act of revenge?

OK, the title Moonraker HAS been used already but Fleming ahd plenty of alternatives for each book. And, of course, it wouldn't remotely be a remake.

[double-O-Durg]

sounds like GoldenEye to me, all Flemings novels have been used in one way or another.

[stamper]

I say Live and let die aka Bond 22 doesn"t have to be more of a remake than CR is (which means : no relationship, except the title)

[Santa]

I say Live and let die aka Bond 22 doesn"t have to be more of a remake than CR is (which means : no relationship, except the title)

The titles are exactly the parts I don't want them to use. Steal any and all unused Fleming plot elements by all means, but please don't start a comparison war between the 'original' LALD and the 'remake'. If it's similar to the RM version people will moan about it not matching up, if the plot's different but the title the same, much confusion and mudslinging will ensue. Either way, duplicating the titles can't end well.

[Killmaster]

no re-makes! ... and leave the already-used titles alone, too. we've already seen one "goldfinger", one "live and let die", one "you only live twice" and all the rest. let them be and create new fleming-esque titles or use some of the various chapter titles that fit the story.

there are plot points and characters from the books that have yet to be used... give them a place in the new films. i'm still waiting for gala brand to make an appearance in a bond film.

[JimmyBond]

I think they could do a pretty faithful adaption of the Moonraker novel as long as they change a few names. The rocket would need to be updated to be more technologically sound, but the plot would still make for an exciting movie, just give it the CR treatment, add in a new first half (or last half, however they want) to make it film length.

[Harmsway]

I think they could do a pretty faithful adaption of the Moonraker novel as long as they change a few names. The rocket would need to be updated to be more technologically sound, but the plot would still make for an exciting movie, just give it the CR treatment, add in a new first half (or last half, however they want) to make it film length.

They could do something with Fleming's MOONRAKER, I suppose... (they used a lot of its material in vague form in DIE ANOTHER DAY), but it doesn't really make the best follow-up to CASINO ROYALE.

There's one element I want to see taken from MOONRAKER, and that's the Gala Brand relationship. I very much want to see that taken and used at some point - especially that final good-bye.

[JimmyBond]

Well, if we're talking follow ups to Casino Royale, I think something along the lines of YOLT (the novel) should be done. Craig did hint that it'd be a revenge flick, maybe we'll see Bond drinking heavily at the beginning of the film, and perhaps finally get to see Dr. James Malony.

[Harmsway]

Well, if we're talking follow ups to Casino Royale, I think something along the lines of YOLT (the novel) should be done. Craig did hint that it'd be a revenge flick, maybe we'll see Bond drinking heavily at the beginning of the film, and perhaps finally get to see Dr. James Malony.

You see, I don't think YOLT fits here. Bond shouldn't be depressed off the bat - CASINO ROYALE hardened him into the man we know and love and sends him off on a crusade, and thus we should see the man we know and love on a crusade.