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[Orion]

so all of the action sequences will have not even a little bit of the bond theme added

I don't think this is the case - I think we don't hear the entire Bond theme until the end.

I think what it means is rather than having The James Bond theme very prominent in in the scenes (like it is in Caviar Factory) it'll be hints of it (like White Knight before he gets in the jet) right up until the fianl action scene (which is Venice if i recall) where they will play the full thing so as to make you think "yeah he's James Bond now"

[DamnCoffee]

bloody hell, lets hope so because CR wont be a Bond movie without the theme present

[Satorious]

Barry's OHMSS was probably his most electronic (it's probably his best overall score - although I do love YOLT and TLD also). I hope this doesn't mean that CR will be all synthesizers and techno though...

[Orion]

bloody hell, lets hope so because CR wont be a Bond movie without the theme present

look there is not a chance in hell the David Arnold is going to leave out the James Bond theme he sais this in all three DVD interviews "Without the JAmes Bond theme you've just got an action movie, you havn't got a James Bond movie" trust me it will be there with David Arnold Scoring it

[Matt_13]

Yes... at the end. I'm pretty sure the action scenes could do without it, they just need a powerful score is all.

[JimmyBond]

Yes... at the end. I'm pretty sure the action scenes could do without it, they just need a powerful score is all.

Indeed, Arnold's relied on the James Bond theme way too much in his last three scores. I'm not going to miss it at all.

[Fro]

Exactly... it'll make the score a lot better. I don't want to hear some techo James Bond theme remix for every action scene track.

OHMSS has the James Bond theme twice (except for the credits) and it's a brilliant score.

[DamnCoffee]

One would be enough

[JimmyBond]

One would be enough

And you'll get it...at the end of the film.

[DamnCoffee]

i want it on the action scenes

[DamnCoffee]

so in

Spoiler

Rooftop Chase ot the Miami Airport scene

we wont even get this:

http://s1.upload.sc/...ae2091d3f1dd67f

[Qwerty]

In the new issues of Hotdog (UK film mag.) David Arnold reveals his top 5 film scores. OHMSS is top of the list, but the cool thing is he sasy that the OHMSS title theme is the basis for the theme for the new James Bond.

How cool is that!

So basically, the OHMSS theme will be used as a sort of 'template' for the CR score.

I think this is actually a good idea. Arnold would be able to keep the score very 'bondian' while not actually using the James Bond theme until the end.

I'll be happy if this On Her Majesty

[JimmyBond]

so in

Spoiler

Rooftop Chase ot the Miami Airport scene

we wont even get this:

http://s1.upload.sc/...ae2091d3f1dd67f

I think so.

[casinoroyale11234]

THE BOND THEME HAS TO BE USED IN CR THEY CANT DO THIS !!

HOLY COW!!! IT WILL BE!!!

[Andrew]

so in

Spoiler

Rooftop Chase ot the Miami Airport scene

we wont even get this:

http://s1.upload.sc/...ae2091d3f1dd67f

I'd rather hear something similar to the OHMSS theme, myself...

[zencat]

This is on David Arnolds website
"Well the song has been written and recorded with Chris Cornell.David and Chris wrote the song together and it was recorded in Air Studios London and mixed in L.A. David is currently in the middle of writing the score, and to clear up some confusion over the Hotdog magazine article,david didnt say that he was re using the theme for OHMSS in Casino Royale, he actually said that as a model for music,Casino Royale was closer to OHMSS than any other Bond movie in as much that the film didnt rely on the James Bond theme and managed to create a James Bond music world regardless.The theme for OHMSS is not in the score to Casino Royale.But new themes are included."

So Arnold didn't say anything about OHMSS being the "basis" for CR.

Thanks, littlenellie.

[Qwerty]

This is on David Arnolds website
"Well the song has been written and recorded with Chris Cornell.David and Chris wrote the song together and it was recorded in Air Studios London and mixed in L.A. David is currently in the middle of writing the score, and to clear up some confusion over the Hotdog magazine article,david didnt say that he was re using the theme for OHMSS in Casino Royale, he actually said that as a model for music,Casino Royale was closer to OHMSS than any other Bond movie in as much that the film didnt rely on the James Bond theme and managed to create a James Bond music world regardless.The theme for OHMSS is not in the score to Casino Royale.But new themes are included."

So Arnold didn't say anything about OHMSS being the "basis" for CR.

Thanks, littlenellie.

Ah, guess that settles it then.

[Qwerty]

Now on the CBn main page...

David Arnold On The Casino Royale Score

_{Contrary to rumours, 'OHMSS' theme not featured in score}

[JimmyBond]

If he actually manages to creat a exciting score without using the Bond theme as a crux, I'll really be impressed.

[K1Bond007]

I had a feeling this was BS only because if they used OHMSS they would have to probably pay Barry royalties like they do to Norman for the theme in every film/game etc. I doubt they'd want to do that. It's probably why they also don't use "007" anymore.

[stamper]

Techno is dead (only a few people don't know it yet), the 90's are gone, worry not, his new soundtracks will not be techno, like some of his 90's CD versions were.

So let me get this straight; The James Bond theme will not be used untill the end of the movie. so all of the action sequences will have not even a little bit of the bond theme added. Arnold you've gone to far this time

It's not Arnold's decision, but the producer's one.

As for originality, no composer ever came up with something original since over a 100 years ago, even the Beatles ripped many thing from many others, pure originality does not exist anymore. How many times can you reorder the same notes ?

[littlenellie]

OHMSS only had the Bond theme in the attack on Piz Gloria,but you never miss it because the rest is so Bondy anyway.As long as the new stuff sounds like Bond music then we will be ok.And if the Bond theme doesnt happen til the end,then thats because its in the script,not because Arnold felt like doing it that way.the director and producers will have made that decision already.

[Jackanaples]

OHMSS only had the Bond theme in the attack on Piz Gloria,but you never miss it because the rest is so Bondy anyway. As long as the new stuff sounds like Bond music then we will be ok. And if the Bond theme doesnt happen til the end, then thats because its in the script, not because Arnold felt like doing it that way.the director and producers will have made that decision already.

Good point. I'm excited by what I hear about the score. I don't want the James Bond theme overused. I think it was used as a crutch in some of the Brosnan movies and that can dilute it's force and excitement.

[DamnCoffee]

I dont want it underused

[JimmyBond]

I dont want it underused

Well, when you hear how it's used in Casino Royale you'll change your tune

[DamnCoffee]

I hope so - i just dont like all these sudden changes to the franchise

[Jackanaples]

I hope so - i just dont like all these sudden changes to the franchise

Hmmm. I'm all for it myself. James Bond movies have played it safe and took no chances virtually my entire life. That's no way to be with Bond.

Edited by Jackanaples, 17 August 2006 - 05:13 PM.

[Harmsway]

I dont want it underused

So was it underused in GOLDFINGER, where it barely makes an appearance? Was it underused in THUNDERBALL? Was it underused in YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE? ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE?

Look back at those films. The Bond theme is remarkably used very sparingly. Sure, it generally got one action sequence where it would go out full-blast (ala the Little Nellie sequence, or the assault on Piz Gloria), but sometimes there wasn't even that.

And that's how it should be. The Bond theme was overused by Arnold. It shouldn't be used in every action scene, every moment of Bondian cool, or anything like that - you should use it as minimally as possible. Where it fits in CASINO ROYALE makes sense and will likely be one of the coolest moments the series has ever had.

[Fro]

The Bond theme is bad because it's a cliche that tells us 1) Bond can't get hurt and 2) Bond is gonna kick some butt.

If you want any dramatic tension at all, you can't use it in an action scene.

[JimmyBond]

Barry rarely did use it in action sequences, and when he did, it was only because Bond did something extremely cool. It's only till we got to Arnold that the Bond theme was being used for the action sequences.