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[Double-O-Kevin]

Hey guys - this is my first 'new topic' since I've joined, so I hope it isn't one that has already been ruthlessly beaten with a stick...

We already know that Mr. White will make an appearance in the sequel to Casino Royale. But will he appear in numerous subsequent films, and act as a Blofeld-esque character (i.e. five or six movies)? Or will he die off in the second film?

Just a thought that's been itching me for a while. I would really like to see Mr. White in further movies, because we got to know Blofeld as such and the audience felt a sense of familiarity.

Edited by Double-O-Kevin, 07 August 2006 - 07:10 PM.

[Monsieur B]

Not too sure now about Mr. white becoming a recurring villain in the subsequent Bond films as the ending doesn't leave much open for a possibility of his return. Fellow script-readers (sounds like a sort of secret society) can chime in here and voice what they think.

I don't think we will see Mr. White again.

[Double-O-Kevin]

well, at the end of the film, he doesn't exactly kill him...
that was my only confusion

[Monsieur B]

Spoiler

Bond's standing above him after shooting him in the knee.

I don't think that he would walk away after that and that's it. After his involvement in the whole plot (behind-the-scenes, mind you), he deserves to get snuffed then and there.

[K1Bond007]

We already know that Mr. White will make an appearance in the sequel to Casino Royale.

We don't know that at all.

well, at the end of the film, he doesn't exactly kill him...
that was my only confusion

He kills him. It's a throwback to Bond and "Bomber" (or so he's called in the leaked script).

Also we've discussed this a number of times. Mr. White isn't a big bad guy type. He's a henchman at best.

[JCRendle]

He kills him.
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Not in my version

[Monsieur B]

You don't see him die, but it's obvious that his death will be carried out off-screen. Perhaps we'll get a mention of it in Bond 22?

Edited by Monsieur B, 07 August 2006 - 07:37 PM.

[K1Bond007]

He kills him.
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Not in my version

Reread what I said.

[JCRendle]

ah - the embassy - gotya.

[DamnCoffee]

i've just had a thought:

when Bond

Spoiler

Shoots him in the leg at the end of CR

Could Mr White be really Valentine Zuzovsky!! think Goldeneye "I gave him the limp". I know CRs supposed to be a reboot but hey its possible

[JimmyBond]

We had the rumors of Bond 22 picking up right where CR leaves off. I always thought the teaser for Bond 22 could open with Bond standing over White, about to kill him when the terrorists from the beginning of the film show up and Bond is engaged in a fire fight with them. White of course gets away.

[I Like Sharks]

i've just had a thought:

when Bond

Spoiler

Shoots him in the leg at the end of CR

Could Mr White be really Valentine Zuzovsky!! think Goldeneye "I gave him the limp". I know CRs supposed to be a reboot but hey its possible

A KGB agent in 2006?...I think it just happens that he shoots them both in the same place.

[Vauxhall]

I think there's an even chance that Mr White may return in BOND 22, seeing as effectively, Bond still needs to get some information out of him about the higher organisation behind him. If they intended to kill him off in the final scene of CASINO ROYALE, presumably we would have seen Bond shoot him. I think that the ending (as was in the December 2005 draft) was left as such to allow the writers to consider what they wanted to do with the character. With the information we have available, we can neither say that he will definitely return, or indeed, that he definitely won't return.

[DamnCoffee]

I find the Character of Mr White really intreuging and Exciting and i really do hope he does return

[K1Bond007]

I think there's an even chance that Mr White may return in BOND 22, seeing as effectively, Bond still needs to get some information out of him about the higher organisation behind him. If they intended to kill him off in the final scene of CASINO ROYALE, presumably we would have seen Bond shoot him. I think that the ending (as was in the December 2005 draft) was left as such to allow the writers to consider what they wanted to do with the character. With the information we have available, we can neither say that he will definitely return, or indeed, that he definitely won't return.

It's an implied kill. They can get further information out of 'another'. There's no need for Mr. White, Bond knows this.

[Double-O-Kevin]

K1Bond007:

Also we've discussed this a number of times. Mr. White isn't a big bad guy type. He's a henchman at best.

I had already stated my apologies for bringing up a possibly overly-discussed topic. But, I apologize once more.

My point is that no one really knows for sure what the end product will turn out to be. That is why I implied speculation. It is quite possible that they won't show Mr. White dying at the end (if he does in fact die). I would simply enjoy seeing a recurring villain in subsequent Bond films. It would whisper echoes of the Connery era.

[DamnCoffee]

as i said i would love for white to return eon have a very good character there who adds alot of depth to the story

[Matt_13]

And mystery.

[Double-O-Kevin]

my thoughts exactly

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

I think there's an even chance that Mr White may return in BOND 22, seeing as effectively, Bond still needs to get some information out of him about the higher organisation behind him. If they intended to kill him off in the final scene of CASINO ROYALE, presumably we would have seen Bond shoot him. I think that the ending (as was in the December 2005 draft) was left as such to allow the writers to consider what they wanted to do with the character. With the information we have available, we can neither say that he will definitely return, or indeed, that he definitely won't return.

Exactly, and I think this is one of the main drawbacks of having already read the script. This is something that should be disscussed after seeing the final cut of the film in November. The ambiguous nature of the ending is clearly designed to incite fan speculation and hype for Bond 22. Looks like we have a head start.

[K1Bond007]

K1Bond007:

Also we've discussed this a number of times. Mr. White isn't a big bad guy type. He's a henchman at best.

I had already stated my apologies for bringing up a possibly overly-discussed topic. But, I apologize once more.

My point is that no one really knows for sure what the end product will turn out to be. That is why I implied speculation. It is quite possible that they won't show Mr. White dying at the end (if he does in fact die). I would simply enjoy seeing a recurring villain in subsequent Bond films. It would whisper echoes of the Connery era.

It's not just that we have another thread on this, it's that most people seem to be negating the fact that Mr. White is not a main villain. He's not a 'Blofeld' type, nor ever could be. He's a middleman, a Count Lippe, a Mr. Osato, just another cog in the wheel. His character was fleshed out enough to say he was no where near a Blofeld-type, nor never could be. Another 'villain' in the script that survives is more of an unknown, elusive, that previously I speculated would be an interesting twist to have that person return as the so-called 'Blofeld' of these films.

[Double-O-Kevin]

I stand corrected, K1Bond007. I also have yet to get my anxious hands on a script read, which I plan on doing somehow...some way. I must say that your theory is one of intrigue. I never thought of it that way before, but it just might work. It would be interesting to see that happen. Kudos, my fellow Bond fan.

Edited by Double-O-Kevin, 08 August 2006 - 12:16 AM.

[Tuxedo]

Well, the script ends up with

Spoiler

a line and not with action

...and than there will be some familiar tune. The script doesn

[DavidSomerset]

Maybe Mr. White will engage in a Mexican standoff with Bond and Mr. Orange and Mr. Pink. And Bond shoots all of them with one bullet.

[Double-O-Kevin]

David Somerset:

Maybe Mr. White will engage in a Mexican standoff with Bond and Mr. Orange and Mr. Pink. And Bond shoots all of them with one bullet.

LOL! Dave, that's a very good idea (the "single bullet theory", ay?) But somehow (just on a hunch) I don't think it will come to that.

Additionally, Tuxedo, you make very good points. I could honestly see that transpiring. Bravo.

Edited by Double-O-Kevin, 08 August 2006 - 01:39 PM.

[Monsieur B]

Maybe Mr. White will engage in a Mexican standoff with Bond and Mr. Orange and Mr. Pink. And Bond shoots all of them with one bullet.

If only Quentin Tarantino got his wish to direct...

[DamnCoffee]

lol

[DamnCoffee]

I just checked on IMDB and was shocked to find out that Mr. White is younger than i expected. I thought Mr White would be Kinda old with a beard (a bit like Rhaoul on DAD) but is actually kinda young

[bernsmartin007]

The thing to remember is that his actul name is not mentioned in the script. "Mr White" sounds like a false script name to me, because maybe his name is never mentioned like Daniel Craig's character in Layer Cake was "xxxx"

I don't think they would actually have a character called "Mr White" int he script of the film, it's way too generic and cheesy.

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

The thing to remember is that his actul name is not mentioned in the script. "Mr White" sounds like a false script name to me, because maybe his name is never mentioned like Daniel Craig's character in Layer Cake was "xxxx"

I don't think they would actually have a character called "Mr White" int he script of the film, it's way too generic and cheesy.

Nah, I think Mr. White is his name in the film, it may be just a codename but that's what he's refered to as. Besides why would they have him listed on the offcial cast list if it were just a false name or placeholder in the script along the lines of Solori/Obanno.