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[Scottlee]

I've seen the trailer now and it doesn't look too impressive, truth be told. I'll still go and see it but I'm praying it's not just going to be more watered down pap like Die Hard 3.

[Harmsway]

Granted, the action in this new outing looks as extreme and as badly-done as TRUE LIES remade by Tamahori, while Justin Long seems a serious contender to become the most annoying franchise character since Jar Jar Binks, but I still think it's premature to bury LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD/DIE HARD 4.0, although perhaps I'm just defending it because, as a fanboy, I desperately want it to be good.

I'd guess it's the latter, Loomster. That said, I'll wait on some reviews/fan feeback before I decide not to see it once and for all. But I don't have any hopes.

[Loomis]

Going by this trailer, it almost seems as though this DIE HARD may be intended as a semi-spoof of the genre, if you get what I'm trying to say. Rather like DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER took Bond and spy movies and camped everything up. Damn, I'm making DIE HARD 4 sound worse by every new post intended to defend it, aren't I?

Still, seriously, I don't see any reason to start digging this film's grave quite yet. At least they're not trying to clone the first one, by, say, having McClane pop down to the bank to have "a serious chat" with the manager, whereupon the joint's taken over by armed men who are, in an amusing twist on the usual DIE HARD scenario, terrorists posing as thieves.

At the end of the day, it's the return of John McClane (granted, this won't mean much to you unless you're already a pretty dyed-in-the-wool DIE HARD fan, like yours truly), which has got to be better than a slap in the face with a wet kipper! To quote Catherine Tate: "It's just a bit of fun! It won't kill you!"

[Harmsway]

Damn, I'm making DIE HARD 4 sound worse by every new post intended to defend it, aren't I?

You bet.

At the end of the day, it's the return of John McClane (granted, this won't mean much to you unless you're already a pretty dyed-in-the-wool DIE HARD fan, like yours truly), which has got to be better than a slap in the face with a wet kipper! To quote Catherine Tate: "It's just a bit of fun! It won't kill you!"

Well, I like John McClane, but I like him only when he's in quality films. As a character, he alone can't carry a film unless the rest of the stuff is up to snuff. DIE HARD WITH A VENGEANCE was dull enough that I don't know that I want to see a worse entry (and LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD definitely looks like it'll be far worse).

[Tarl_Cabot]

I thought DH2 and DH3 sucked. Seeing a cute-accessable heart throb for teens as a sidekick has me worried...better than Ben Affleck I suppose(he was supposed to be in this in a pre-911 draft).

Ah, who cares? This summer is all about Bourne.

[tdalton]

I finally saw the trailer and I have to say that this looks like it may turn out to be the worst film of the year, so far. It's hard for me to imagine saying that I have zero interest in an action film, but I have just about zero interest in seeing this film.

[The Dove]

Fair enough tdalton.. However i for one am just happy seeing Willis back as John McClane. Once I see the film then I'll be able to fully judge it as a worthy or non-worthy sequel. I do like the plot though and it certainly feels like a Die Hard film to me albeit different from the previous 3 (as Bruce Willis himself has stated). Justin Long, hmmm interesting choice for a sidekick.. I've only ever known him from those MAC vs. PC television commercials. I will miss the late Michael Kamen's music for this one, but am eager to see what Marco Beltrami will come up with.

[Loomis]

DIE HARD WITH A VENGEANCE was dull enough

Agreed. It's a very, very dull film indeed. Not quite sure why (on paper, it has a lot going for it), but it is. Desperately dull. As dull as ditchwater. Dull.

[Qwerty]

Unfortunately, something tells me that LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD/DIE HARD 4.0 will be a PG-13 in the States

I really hope not. "R" rated action is a definite must for these films.

[JimmyBond]

Everybody complaining about the action...first look at who's directing the film: Len Wiseman. The Director behind the first two Underworld flicks, films that were full of outrageous action sequences. But, also had decent stories (the sequel not so much). If the script for this film is decent, Wiseman should turn out a decent film. Plus, the final shooting draft was written by one of the scribes who wrote Die Hard 2, so at least that's something.

[Harmsway]

Everybody complaining about the action...first look at who's directing the film: Len Wiseman. The Director behind the first two Underworld flicks, films that were full of outrageous action sequences.

That hardly justifies it.

But, also had decent stories (the sequel not so much).

Well, I'd debate that. I thought both UNDERWORLD films were rotten from almost every aspect.

If the script for this film is decent, Wiseman should turn out a decent film.

I think the overblown action is enough of a turn-off for me that I will probably never rank this as a decent DIE HARD film. Maybe an okay film in its own right, but not as a legitimate entry in the DIE HARD franchise. And that also assumes that the script is decent, which it very well might not be.

[JimmyBond]

I think you and I are asking different things from our Die Hard films Harmwsay. I'm looking for two hours of McClane style quips and lots of explosions with bad guys dying left and right. From the trailer, I appear to be getting just that (I grin like an idiot everytime I see the bit in the trailer where the fighter jet engages McClane).

Who knows, I might enjoy it at first, but it might not hold up on repeat viewings (just like Bad Boys II, I enjoyed it initially, but it doesnt have staying power).

[stamper]

DIE HARD WITH A VENGEANCE was dull enough

Agreed. It's a very, very dull film indeed. Not quite sure why (on paper, it has a lot going for it), but it is. Desperately dull. As dull as ditchwater. Dull.

I actually enjoyed, except for the ending, and thought it was better than the boring Renny Harlin directed n

[Loomis]

Everybody complaining about the action...first look at who's directing the film: Len Wiseman. The Director behind the first two Underworld flicks, films that were full of outrageous action sequences.

That hardly justifies it.

But, also had decent stories (the sequel not so much).

Well, I'd debate that. I thought both UNDERWORLD films were rotten from almost every aspect.

If the script for this film is decent, Wiseman should turn out a decent film.

I think the overblown action is enough of a turn-off for me that I will probably never rank this as a decent DIE HARD film. Maybe an okay film in its own right, but not as a legitimate entry in the DIE HARD franchise. And that also assumes that the script is decent, which it very well might not be.

Well, if it turns out to be an okay film in its own right (a big "if"), surely, as audience members, we're home and dry?

[Harmsway]

Somewhat. But I would have spent my $9 wanting to see a DIE HARD film, which means a well-made and tense action thriller starring John McClane in the lead.

[Roebuck]

Everybody complaining about the action...first look at who's directing the film: Len Wiseman. The Director behind the first two Underworld flicks, films that were full of outrageous action sequences. But, also had decent stories (the sequel not so much). If the script for this film is decent, Wiseman should turn out a decent film. Plus, the final shooting draft was written by one of the scribes who wrote Die Hard 2, so at least that's something.

Wiseman directed some decent action sequences and managed to give the films a distinctive look with not very much money to work with. I just wish he'd had more money for more action to replace some of those leaden dialogue sequences that kill the pace of both movies. I can see why you wouldn't bother writing decent dialogue for Scott Speedman, since he's only going to ruin it, but why give him any more than you have to?

[Mike00spy]

Unfortunately, something tells me that LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD/DIE HARD 4.0 will be a PG-13 in the States

I really hope not. "R" rated action is a definite must for these films.

I agree- but I heard it has already been cut to a PG13. If that is true, then it is a letdown. However, I'm sure that since these are cuts (and not decsions made duringfilming) we should see an "unrated" version hit DVD. Small concession, I know- but if the flick proves fun with a PG13, then it should really hit home on R.

[thecasinoroyale]

Check out JoBlo.com, and see that Die Hard 4 IS a PG-13.

That's soiled that trilogy then.



And Die Hard 3 wasn't ALL that bad, it was good for a third film and had great set peices in it and comedy with SLJ.

[Harmsway]

Unfortunately, something tells me that LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD/DIE HARD 4.0 will be a PG-13 in the States

I really hope not. "R" rated action is a definite must for these films.

I agree- but I heard it has already been cut to a PG13. If that is true, then it is a letdown. However, I'm sure that since these are cuts (and not decsions made duringfilming) we should see an "unrated" version hit DVD. Small concession, I know- but if the flick proves fun with a PG13, then it should really hit home on R.

That's more incentive to wait for the "unrated" DVD than to see it in theatres, though. Which is what I'll probably do.

[Roebuck]

Unfortunately, something tells me that LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD/DIE HARD 4.0 will be a PG-13 in the States

I really hope not. "R" rated action is a definite must for these films.

There was a rare sensible comment from one of the talkbackers on AICN, pointing out that you can get away with a lot more in a PG-13 movie now than you could when the first Die Hard was released. They used the example of Casino Royale as a grown up action movie that didn't suffer from not having a 'R' certification.

[Harmsway]

Unfortunately, something tells me that LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD/DIE HARD 4.0 will be a PG-13 in the States

I really hope not. "R" rated action is a definite must for these films.

There was a rare sensible comment from one of the talkbackers on AICN, pointing out that you can get away with a lot more in a PG-13 movie now than you could when the first Die Hard was released. They used the example of Casino Royale as a grown up action movie that didn't suffer from not having a 'R' certification.

Granted... but I don't know. We'll see.

[Double-Oh-Zero]

Unfortunately, something tells me that LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD/DIE HARD 4.0 will be a PG-13 in the States

I really hope not. "R" rated action is a definite must for these films.

There was a rare sensible comment from one of the talkbackers on AICN, pointing out that you can get away with a lot more in a PG-13 movie now than you could when the first Die Hard was released. They used the example of Casino Royale as a grown up action movie that didn't suffer from not having a 'R' certification.

True, but I doubt you'd be able to get away with the majority of the violence that the Die Hard films are known for (guys getting stabbed in the eye with an icicle, slashed in the throat with a knife, or cut in half by wires; and they were all pretty explicit) with a PG-13, even today.

Either way, I'll prolly just skip Die Hard 4.0 (still think that the Live Free thing is really dumb) if it's PG-13.

[Loomis]

I think the rating will be the least of this movie's problems.

[Harmsway]

I think the rating will be the least of this movie's problems.

You and me both.

[Stephenson]

Just in case anyone is interested, Bruce Willis has been on the AICN talkbacks for the last two nights defending the PG rating.

So far it's not as interesting as when they had Stallone for Rocky Balboa, but cool none the less.

Wonder if their would be any way of getting a certain Bond actor over here?

[The Dove]

There are now FOUR new Live Free Or Die Hard tv Spots up on the net. here's a link:

http://www2.comingso...ws.php?id=20439

We are now getting some new dialog and glimpses of the movie, and I must say I'm really liking it!! Some great classic John McClane quips from Willis!!

[ACE]

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I love these spots. Really stoked to see the return of John McClane!

[Professor Dent]

Thanks for posting, Dove. The fourth one is great! I'm looking forward to this one.

[Scottlee]

I saw a trailer at the cinema the other night and the film doesn't look that bad. I don't think it will get anywhere near the classic quality of the first two films, but it might just offer a more satisfactory experience than the third film, mainly due to the lack of expectancy that it will actually be any good at all. There was a massive sense of anticipation surrounding DH3 and the film was a letdown. With this one, nobody's expecting anything wonderful and that might just lead some friendly feedback.

[Loomis]

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I love these spots. Really stoked to see the return of John McClane!

I've probably said this before, but I think it'll be the DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER of the series. I hope so, at least. Either that or it'll just be rubbish.