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[The Dove]

As long as Bruce has the famous line in Live Free or Die Hard, " Yippie kay-yay, !! " I'll be happy with the movie!!

[HildebrandRarity]

DIE HARD WITH A VENGEANCE has always seemed watered-down to me, since I believe there were various cuts to violent scenes in order to get a more commercially-friendly 15 certificate in the UK (the first two films are 18s).

There's also some truly ludicrous and nonsensical overdubbing of swear words in the British version of WITH A VENGEANCE. Referring to a guy he once arrested, who's now one of the bombing suspects, McClane says "He's a flunkey, not a psycho", whereas in the US version the expression that "flunkey" replaces is something that rhymes with "duck-up".

Unfortunately, something tells me that LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD/DIE HARD 4.0 will be a PG-13 in the States and (as with the likes of MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE III and TERMINATOR 3: RISE OF THE MACHINES) a 12A in Britain. DIE HARD LITE.

Does a more restrictive rating make for a "better" movie?

Casino Royale anyone?

[bill007]

As long as Bruce has the famous line in Live Free or Die Hard, " Yippie kay-yay, !! " I'll be happy with the movie!!

Ha-ha-ha!!! That was a favorite line by many pilots in Desert Storm. Bombs released, "Yipee tah-ee-ay ers!!" I can't tell you the number of times I heard that on debrief tapes.

[Loomis]

DIE HARD WITH A VENGEANCE has always seemed watered-down to me, since I believe there were various cuts to violent scenes in order to get a more commercially-friendly 15 certificate in the UK (the first two films are 18s).

There's also some truly ludicrous and nonsensical overdubbing of swear words in the British version of WITH A VENGEANCE. Referring to a guy he once arrested, who's now one of the bombing suspects, McClane says "He's a flunkey, not a psycho", whereas in the US version the expression that "flunkey" replaces is something that rhymes with "duck-up".

Unfortunately, something tells me that LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD/DIE HARD 4.0 will be a PG-13 in the States and (as with the likes of MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE III and TERMINATOR 3: RISE OF THE MACHINES) a 12A in Britain. DIE HARD LITE.

Does a more restrictive rating make for a "better" movie?

Casino Royale anyone?

Well, it would possible for the new DIE HARD to be a PG-13/12A and still be a good film, of course. And DIE HARD WITH A VENGEANCE was a letdown for many reasons, the reduced violence being only one of them and a pretty small factor in the scheme of things. However, full-on, bloody violence works really well in the first two, for some reason, to the point where it seems to me an essential part of the character of the series.

You mention CASINO ROYALE. I gather the torture scene was cut in the UK, but not even for violence. As I understand it, in the full version, Le Chiffre lays his hand on Bond's shoulder and comments "What a waste". The British Board of Film Classification apparently thought that this moment was "too sexual"!

I'm pleased that GOLDENEYE and TOMORROW NEVER DIES have now been made available on DVD in Britain with 15 certificates. When I watch the full-length version of GOLDENEYE, complete with Xenia's headbutt (a sight us Brits were denied for years), am I watching a "better" movie? Nope, but I'm watching the movie Martin Campbell intended to make.

So, given the choice (which I won't be, so this is all "academic"), I'd prefer them to release CASINO ROYALE in its complete form with a 15 certificate.

[Loomis]

Well, the poster for DIE HARD 4.0 (as I guess it's going to be called over here) is up, and it's as wretched as the title. So McClane is working in a body shop now?

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/31715

What am I supposed to say when I ask for my ticket to this? "Die Hard four, please"? "Die Hard four point oh, please"? "Die Hard four point zero"? Man, this sucks.

[The Dove]

Hmmm.. I agree with you Loomis. This poster could have been a lot better. Though I'm still holding out hope that the actual title of the film will stay as " Live Free or Die Hard".

[Loomis]

Well, it will for you folks in the States. As I understand it, LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD will remain the title in the US, but the film will be called DIE HARD 4.0 in other English-speaking territories including the UK.

[Safari Suit]

What am I supposed to say when I ask for my ticket to this? "Die Hard four, please"? "Die Hard four point oh, please"? "Die Hard four point zero"? Man, this sucks.

The new Die Hard, please?

That poster is very bland. The whole thing seems to have an air of blandness around it.

[DamnCoffee]

The poster is indeed very bland, but i didn't mind the trailer, the choir gave a great effect

[bond_girl_double07]

They should call it "Some Franchise Die Hard"

[dinovelvet]

http://movies.yahoo....dcR.KINxGRfVXcA

New trailer is up. Looks a bit ridiculous, the action is something you'd expect from a Vin Diesel film, it just doesn't feel like a Die Hard. Timothy Olyphant as the villain seems pretty good though.

[K1Bond007]

http://movies.yahoo....dcR.KINxGRfVXcA

New trailer is up. Looks a bit ridiculous, the action is something you'd expect from a Vin Diesel film, it just doesn't feel like a Die Hard. Timothy Olyphant as the villain seems pretty good though.

Personally, I just didn't think the trailer was all that great. Looks like it 'could' be good movie (I love Die Hard, 2 and even 3), but I just didn't like the trailer. The music, the pacing, pretty much everything. Sad that I'm criticizing a trailer though.

[Harmsway]

Looks dire.

The stunts in that trailer look so unbelievable and ludicrous as to make the the parasurfing in DIE ANOTHER DAY seem plausible. That gets entirely away from the spirit of the action of the DIE HARD franchise.

What made the first DIE HARD great was that the world felt real and the stunts, while often insane, were at least plausible. There was a grittiness to them and they were never beyond the realm of reality. Well... the stuff here crosses that line - it's totally out of the realm of possibility, and the abundance of CGI establishes that. These stunts belong in a xXx sequel. Not DIE HARD.

The only decent thing about this could be Bruce Willis back in the role of McClane. Otherwise, nothing about this movie looks at all good. The villain seems sucktackular, his sidekick looks dull as all get-out, and the story isn't particularly fascinating. It doesn't even capture the DIE HARD feel.

[Simon]

Ah, but it does have Maggie Q.

And as she appears to be going through all the US action film franchises, we can probably see her in the next Lethal Weapon film.

[Loomis]

Looks dire.

The stunts in that trailer look so unbelievable and ludicrous as to make the the parasurfing in DIE ANOTHER DAY seem plausible. That gets entirely away from the spirit of the action of the DIE HARD franchise.

What made the first DIE HARD great was that the world felt real and the stunts, while often insane, were at least plausible. There was a grittiness to them and they were never beyond the realm of reality. Well... the stuff here crosses that line - it's totally out of the realm of possibility, and the abundance of CGI establishes that. These stunts belong in a xXx sequel. Not DIE HARD.

The only decent thing about this could be Bruce Willis back in the role of McClane. Otherwise, nothing about this movie looks at all good. The villain seems sucktackular, his sidekick looks dull as all get-out, and the story isn't particularly fascinating. It doesn't even capture the DIE HARD feel.

Well, there are grounds for concern - to put it mildly. Still, this trailer is a heck of an improvement over the teaser, and Willis does at least seem to be back on pure McClane form. Otherwise, it looks like M:I-2 meeting 24 meeting TRUE LIES with a hint of DIE HARD (and I mean DIE HARD WITH A VENGEANCE, not, alas, the original). That McClane has a Keanu Reeves clone sidekick who looks as though he'd blow away in a gale is regrettable. I don't like the FX either, or the apparent emphasis on a would-be mother of all action sequences followed by another would-be mother of all action sequences, followed in turn by---- well, you get the idea; but, hey, the film could still be good. This trailer's raised my hopes a little.

It won't be Bourne or Bond, but, hey, do we want it to be? I mean, this is DIE HARD (kind of). I'd rather see this than TRANSFORMERS or whatever else is coming out this summer. If it turns out to be a poor man's MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE III, well, wouldn't that be better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick? Look, I'm just trying to be optimistic here.

Grounds for hope:

- Willis, seemingly on vintage form, and with a "brave" new look.

- Jeffrey Wright.

- Maggie Q. She sure is purty!

- Very positive word on the script (from, I think, Latino Review).

- McTiernan as one of the producers. May be just a "vanity credit", or something, but then again it may be that he's had some creative input. Not that he's exactly done much of note for well over a decade, but---- aw, heck, it ain't over till the fat lady sings!

- The character of McClane's daughter restores the threat-to-our-hero's-family thang sorely missing from WITH A VENGEANCE. Hopefully.

- Oh, well, I've tried. I guess there's always RAMBO IV.

[Harmsway]

It won't be Bourne or Bond, but, hey, do we want it to be? I mean, this is DIE HARD (kind of). I'd rather see this than TRANSFORMERS or whatever else is coming out this summer.

I'm more looking forward to OCEAN'S 13 and THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM, myself. No "kind of" DIE HARD for me.

Grounds for hope:

- Willis, seemingly on vintage form, and with a "brave" new look.

- Jeffrey Wright.

- Maggie Q. She sure is purty!

Granted.

- Very positive word on the script (from, I think, Latino Review).

Actually, it was mediocre word on the script, if I remember.

- The character of McClane's daughter restores the threat-to-our-hero's-family thang sorely missing from WITH A VENGEANCE. Hopefully.

Perhaps.

- Oh, well, I've tried. I guess there's always RAMBO IV.

There is that. Frankly, I don't think that'll be that good, either. I'm just holding out for INDIANA JONES IV as far as the "revived ailing franchises" go.

[The Dove]

Holy !! This looks awesome!!! Yep, no doubt about Willis still has the old McClane magic!! I CAN'T wait for this movie!!

[Tarl_Cabot]

Looks pretty good...but man, they really are doing a big screen 24 aren't they? I think a Die hard on a cruise ship off the somalia coast would be more diehardish...anyway, I'll see it...it's my duty as an 80s child to support these old school movie stars!

[The Dove]

hmm Die Hard on a cruise ship Tarl? I believe that was already made as Speed 2: Cruise Control!! lol blech!! it was horrible!

[Tarl_Cabot]

hmm Die Hard on a cruise ship Tarl? I believe that was already made as Speed 2: Cruise Control!! lol blech!! it was horrible!

And Under Siege...still, it coulda been a great venue for a Diehard thriller.

[Safari Suit]

Compared to the previous films: looks bad

Compared to most contemporary action films: doesn't look so bad

Might as well focus on the positive seeing as I'll end up seeing it anyway.

But I can't help noticing it looks a bit uninspired visually as well; like one of the "Sniper" sequels with a massive budget or something.

Edited by Safari Suit, 04 April 2007 - 08:34 PM.

[Loomis]

- Very positive word on the script (from, I think, Latino Review).

Actually, it was mediocre word on the script, if I remember.

No, I think it was better than that, although I can't be fussed to look for the review right now. Sure, some reservations were expressed, but on the whole the report was very positive and even commented on the boldness and darkness of some aspects of the screenplay. If memory serves, anyway.

I'm completely with Safari Suit:

Compared to the previous films: looks bad

Compared to most contemporary action films: doesn't look so bad

Might as well focus on the positive seeing as I'll end up seeing it anyway.

But I can't help noticing it looks a bit uninspired visually as well; like one of the "Sniper" sequels with a massive budget or something.

[Mr_Wint]

First Vin Diesel, then Ice Cube and now Bruce Willis... They should've called this XXX 3.

I'm sorry but, after watching the trailer, I have a very bad feeling about this.

[Robinson]

hmm Die Hard on a cruise ship Tarl? I believe that was already made as Speed 2: Cruise Control!! lol blech!! it was horrible!

Word has it Die Hard 3 was supposed to take place on a cruise. Under Siege and Speed 2 were in development or released prior to DH 3 so that concept was scrapped.

That being said, it could've worked on it's own merit. Have John McClane and Sgt. Al Powell & their familes on a cruise ship and it gets hijacked...

[Professor Dent]

It has been awfully dull around here without Mr. McClane so I hope we're going to see some gratuitous sex and violence in this one! Well, at least it looks like we got the gratuitous violence down. This trailer looked better than the teaser & seeing Kevin Smith as the computer guru in, presumably, his mom's basement was funny. If you are looking for serious acting, thought provoking dialog, & a deep plot, you probably want to skip this flick. This looks like a typical summer popcorn movie & I can't wait to see it.

[Harmsway]

- Very positive word on the script (from, I think, Latino Review).

Actually, it was mediocre word on the script, if I remember.

No, I think it was better than that, although I can't be fussed to look for the review right now. Sure, some reservations were expressed, but on the whole the report was very positive and even commented on the boldness and darkness of some aspects of the screenplay. If memory serves, anyway.

Okay, you're right, LatinoReview gave it a B. But it's irrelevant, anyway - that script is long gone. As soon as that review surfaced, there were reports of serious script overhauls on DIE HARD 4 (the script review makes notice of the fact that there are no "personal stakes" for McClane in that draft, something that was obviously modified).

[Qwerty]

http://movies.yahoo....dcR.KINxGRfVXcA

New trailer is up. Looks a bit ridiculous, the action is something you'd expect from a Vin Diesel film, it just doesn't feel like a Die Hard. Timothy Olyphant as the villain seems pretty good though.

A big improvement of the teaser (in my opinion). Hard to judge at this point how Die Hard-esque (yes, that sounds odd) this one will be compared to the previous three, but I know I'll be checking it out nonetheless. Willis is the real draw here.

[dinovelvet]

Looks dire.

The stunts in that trailer look so unbelievable and ludicrous as to make the the parasurfing in DIE ANOTHER DAY seem plausible. That gets entirely away from the spirit of the action of the DIE HARD franchise.

What made the first DIE HARD great was that the world felt real and the stunts, while often insane, were at least plausible. There was a grittiness to them and they were never beyond the realm of reality. Well... the stuff here crosses that line - it's totally out of the realm of possibility, and the abundance of CGI establishes that. These stunts belong in a xXx sequel. Not DIE HARD.

The only decent thing about this could be Bruce Willis back in the role of McClane. Otherwise, nothing about this movie looks at all good. The villain seems sucktackular, his sidekick looks dull as all get-out, and the story isn't particularly fascinating. It doesn't even capture the DIE HARD feel.

You hit the nail right on the head there. The first DIE HARD was one man with a gun, trapped and alone, using whatever equipment he could find to take down the bad guys one by one. It was 'gritty' in that the hero gets hurt and has to pick glass out of his feet. You ain't gonna see much of that this summer, instead we'll get cars flying through the air and McClane apparently riding on the back of a jet fighter; it looks like an action movie made for the xXx/Michael Bay audience of the 00s, not Die Hard fans from the 80s.
Its a pity they didn't take a cue from all the other recent franchise revivals like BATMAN BEGINS, CASINO ROYALE or ROCKY BALBOA, and go back to basics. McClane trapped and alone in a <wherever>. That's what Die Hard is all about, and there are still plenty of Die Hard places you could do, other movies have done a boat, plane, and such, but you could have, say, Die Hard in a Vegas hotel on opening night, that would be the kind of thing that harks back to the original, but with a fresh spin on it at the same time.
Still, there's always the fourth Indy movie...

[Loomis]

The first DIE HARD was one man with a gun, trapped and alone, using whatever equipment he could find to take down the bad guys one by one. It was 'gritty' in that the hero gets hurt and has to pick glass out of his feet. You ain't gonna see much of that this summer, instead we'll get cars flying through the air and McClane apparently riding on the back of a jet fighter

Just playing devil's advocate, but if someone had told me, in early 1990, that DIE HARD 2 would feature a snowmobile chase, a comic relief scene of an old lady zapping someone with a tazer, a fight on the wing of a jumbo jet about to take off, an episode in which McClane used a plane's ejector seat to escape a grenade attack, a scene in which he blew up an aircraft with his Zippo, and so on, I'd have been appalled. But what happened? They made the best sequel - and nearly the best film - of the series.

Granted, the action in this new outing looks as extreme and as badly-done as TRUE LIES remade by Tamahori, while Justin Long seems a serious contender to become the most annoying franchise character since Jar Jar Binks, but I still think it's premature to bury LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD/DIE HARD 4.0, although perhaps I'm just defending it because, as a fanboy, I desperately want it to be good. Although I must confess that I'm disappointed they didn't use my fan idea for DIE HARD 4, which I posted here on CBn a while back, which features McClane running a failed private detective outfit with his old buddy Al Powell, intrigue involving Japanese gangsters, and a final shootout at Nakatomi's Tokyo HQ:

http://debrief.comma...p...17691&st=30

[Tarl_Cabot]

Although I must confess that I'm disappointed they didn't use my fan idea for DIE HARD 4,


LOL I'm dissapointed I didn't buy Yahoo stock back in the mid 90s.





I still think a Diehard caper should happen on a Cruise ship:

http://www.chron.com...ld/4690770.html

These things happen all the time...be a nice set up for DH5 or Cruise free or die hard. Have Mclane finally take a vacaton after retirement to relax, enjoy the good life...and uh oh!