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[marktmurphy]

So is this just the old Daily Mail story rehashed ( http://debrief.comma...p...c=31126&hl= ) or have they got this from a different source? It could be truthful or it could be a bit of journo stealing. No idea. It does sound plausable either way.

[Loomis]

I thought Campbell's attitude in the October press conference was strangely off too. He didn't look happy at all.

Did any of them? I don't think so. But then, remember that the reporters didn't exactly give 'em a pleasant welcome.

Still.... maybe they were just having a bad day. I don't think there's any evidence to suggest bad blood between anyone involved with CASINO ROYALE. I'm not saying there isn't any bad blood, and that making the film has been an absolute enjoyable breeze for all concerned; I'm just asking: where's the evidence? I seem to recall the fan reports a while back of conflicts between Campbell and Craig being dismissed as troll posts that were backed up by absolutely nothing. Frankly, I think saying that "it's obvious" that CR has been a nightmare, or whatever, is just so much "Owenology" (anyone remember this old CBn term? It referred to the practice of noting which hand Clivey Boy was using to light his cigarette while waiting in the wings of the Jonathan Ross show and declaring it as a strong indication bordering on positive proof that he was going to be the new 007 ).

[zencat]

So is this just the old Daily Mail story rehashed ( http://debrief.comma...p...c=31126&hl= ) or have they got this from a different source? It could be truthful or it could be a bit of journo stealing. No idea. It does sound plausable either way.

I trust The Hollywood Reporter. It's not like a Contact Music that creates "new" stories out of old tabloid rubbish. It doesn't need to be. It's about a legit as it gets when it comes to showbiz news. In fact, I only take Bond news seriously when it appears in Variety or THR (or CBn ).

[Harmsway]

And I may be in the minority here, but I found TWINE to have one of the most engaging casts in the entire series. Dench, Carlyle and Marceau were absolutely brilliant. So brilliant in fact that their backstory almost relegates 007 to sub-plot status. But I've digressed....

Well, I consider all of those people you just mentioned to give "career worsts" in terms of performance (and add Brosnan into that list too). Absolutely dreadful work - I think TWINE is a film that is primarily killed by its performances.

You remember my take on Campbell's body language, and how Dench had to be sandwiched inbetween Craig and Campbell, and how utterly distracted and bored Campbell seemed to be, plus the reports coming off the set that there was tension between Michael/Babs and Martin, and between Martin and Daniel.

The reports were revealed to be fraudulent.

[Loomis]

I feel we're getting a compromised version from EON.

And I totally agree (although that said I still think they're taking some major risks, chiefly, of course, the hiring of Craig, who is, as I've said many times, a challenge even to those of us who'd welcome him). Listen, by no means am I expecting a masterpiece in November. However, this is where you and I part ways, GS:

I still think "a compromised version", if taken on its own terms rather than measured against one's own (probably skyscrapingly high) hopes and dreams for Bond, could be a decent film. You don't seem to. Now, I realise that you've read the script (and I enjoyed reading your comments on it, which I felt were very interesting and put extremely well), which I haven't, but I do suspect that you're writing off CASINO ROYALE way too soon. You seem pretty quick to draw a line in the sand. Michell is a perfect example: I'd agree that he'd be an unexciting choice (which said, hiring an "exciting" director would definitely bring its own set of problems, and would almost certainly change the character of the series forever), but it would never cross my mind to skip a Bond flick because of his participation. After all, even the worst directors sometimes luck into making good movies.

[K1Bond007]

Gravity's Silhouette, I suppose that you think the fact that Campbell didn't do TOMORROW NEVER DIES means that he had a falling out with Eon after GOLDENEYE (a rift healed after many years, as we can see from the fact that he's now making CASINO ROYALE)?

No, actually, from what I understand of the situation, he was not in a position to come back. I can't remember what film he was on, but he wanted to do it, but just couldn't. It may have been Zorro that he was in deep pre-production on.

He said he didn't want to do another James Bond film because there wasn't much else he felt he could do with the character. It wasn't a scheduling conflict or anything like that. He opted to do The Mask of Zorro later on. Casino Royale obviously is different enough that he could come in and do something different.

I trust The Hollywood Reporter. It's not like a Contact Music that creates "new" stories out of old tabloid rubbish. It doesn't need to be. It's about a legit as it gets when it comes to showbiz news. In fact, I only take Bond news seriously when it appears in Variety or THR (or CBn ).

Says the guy who saw the THR ticker tape saying Bond was on hold. I jest.

[zencat]

I trust The Hollywood Reporter. It's not like a Contact Music that creates "new" stories out of old tabloid rubbish. It doesn't need to be. It's about a legit as it gets when it comes to showbiz news. In fact, I only take Bond news seriously when it appears in Variety or THR (or CBn ).

Says the guy who saw the THR ticker tape saying Bond was on hold. I jest.

LOL. Touch

[marktmurphy]

So is this just the old Daily Mail story rehashed ( http://debrief.comma...p...c=31126&hl= ) or have they got this from a different source? It could be truthful or it could be a bit of journo stealing. No idea. It does sound plausable either way.

I trust The Hollywood Reporter. It's not like a Contact Music that creates "new" stories out of old tabloid rubbish. It doesn't need to be. It's about a legit as it gets when it comes to showbiz news. In fact, I only take Bond news seriously when it appears in Variety or THR (or CBn ).

Well by that logic it's time to start believing the tabloids as they got there first! And who announced Daniel Craig first...?

(Yeah okay- they said Bill Nighy was Dr Who as well, but.. )

I was referring to the hastily put together press conference in Prague, after filming had been going on for several weeks. The press conference followed weeks of speculations about the state of the production due to the fact that filming had commenced without a leading lady or a villain having been cast. On top of that, there was several reports indicating that Craig and Campbell were having loud rows with one another. Again, all of that preceeded the February press conference in Prague. When I finally got to see the photos coming in from the press conference (open to local journalists only), I commented (and Harmsway can back me up on this) that there was a palpable chill expressed in the body language between Craig and Campbell. It was NO ACCIDENT that Dench was put between the two for most of the conference.

What; otherwise they'd scratch each others' eyes out? How do you think they managed to fiilm for so long if they couldn't bear to be within six feet of each other? They're not children; if there's any bad blood they wouldn't show it in public in any way. One of them's an award winning actor, for heaven's sake: if he had an emotion he didn't want you to see he wouldn't find it hard to hide it.

[EyesOnly]

Loomis, can you briefly detail why you think we are getting a compromised film from EON?

[Fro]

This script part of this story sounds fishy.

You and me both. Especially in light of MGW's comments last October regarding Bond 22.

The official "Casino Royale" site says, in Purvis & Wade's biography:

"They are already at work on the next James Bond film"

So unless Wilson got an amazing idea in the last two months and scrapped everything P&W were working on, there is some sort of script.

Edited by Fro, 17 July 2006 - 11:11 PM.

[kneelbeforezod]

What; otherwise they'd scratch each others' eyes out? How do you think they managed to fiilm for so long if they couldn't bear to be within six feet of each other? They're not children; if there's any bad blood they wouldn't show it in public in any way. One of them's an award winning actor, for heaven's sake: if he had an emotion he didn't want you to see he wouldn't find it hard to hide it.

Precisely! The idea that they needed to be separated by Dench is absurd.

[rebeck]

Are we all on crack here? Michael Wilson is a GOD-AWFUL WRITER. No, correction, an accountant who THINKS he's a writer; and who almost brought the series to an end with his crappy writing. (Maibaum, very old at that point, was merely "supervising" and giving Wilson some literary cover) Purvis, Wade, ANYBODY is more desirable than Wilson. He is the single worst creative influence on this series and I hope he lets professional writers do the work. Also, I don't know what this is about Michael Apted being such a poor choice. TWINE is ten times better in my book than GE, and if they had asked Apted back we wouldn't have the debacle that was DAD.

[Harmsway]

Michael Wilson is a GOD-AWFUL WRITER.

He's better than Purvis & Wade as well as Bruce Feirstein. Hardly any great writer, but nothing particularly awful. I would be worried if he was writing BOND 22 without assistance, but he could probably lay a decent foundation for someone like Paul Haggis or Tom Stoppard to come and build on.

Also, I don't know what this is about Michael Apted being such a poor choice. TWINE is ten times better in my book than GE, and if they had asked Apted back we wouldn't have the debacle that was DAD.

TWINE, for a lot of Bond fans, is one of the worst, if not *the* worst, Bond films ever made.

[Loomis]

Loomis, can you briefly detail why you think we are getting a compromised film from EON?

Well, a "non-compromised" CASINO ROYALE would be exceptionally tough and gritty, with a male M, almost no humour, Bond smoking, etc., etc. - a dark, cold film closer to - and sorry for the comparison - THE BOURNE SUPREMACY than to any other Bond flick, the famously downbeat OHMSS included. The final line of the book would be the final line of the film - I gather that the film's last line will in actual fact be much more "audience-pleasing" (and is pretty much guaranteed to cause cheering to break out in cinemas). And I don't think we're going to get that kind of film.

You could argue that nobody really wants an ultra-faithful-to-Fleming CR, and I'd probably agree, but at the same time I don't think we should kid ourselves that we're going to get "pure Fleming's Bond", "truly dark and gritty 007", etc., or a flawless film. I guess that's what I mean by compromised.

Mind you, I've always thought that CR will be a good film, definitely one of the better Bond outings, and I still think so. But it won't be perfect, and it won't be a truly amazing rebirth for 007. Don't believe the hype, as Public Enemy would say.

[Tarl_Cabot]

It will be comprimised, no doubt but stilla trillion times cooler than the last Bond film.

[Felix_Leiter]

I really hope they get rid of Purvis & Wade.

[medrecess]

Michell would be good for Bond 22 as his films like Notting Hill and changing Lanes are quite entertaining.Notting Hill was exceptional.
Though i dont think we should believe these rumours at this point as CR is
not even complete and the producers are first concerned about CR.

[crheath]

Now get Martin Scorsese and Joe Pesci as a villain for Bond #23. Oh, and Robert de Niro as a henchman.

Sample dialogue with these actors...

M: "What do you mean I'm funny, 007?"
Bond: "It's funny the way you explain the assignment."
M: "I make you laugh? I'm a clown? I amuse you?"
Moneypenny: "No no M, you got it all wrong...."
M: "No, 007's a big guy. He knows what he said. Funny how?"

Edited by crheath, 18 July 2006 - 04:16 AM.

[Zackman]

Now get Martin Scorsese and Joe Pesci as a villain for Bond #23. Oh, and Robert de Niro as a henchman.

Martin Scorsese is my favorite director, and I think he could direct a great Bond movie. He can do a lot more than mobster movies, but if they ever decide to do a more faithful Diamonds Are Forever, he'd be perfect for it.

[Harmsway]

It will be comprimised, no doubt but stilla trillion times cooler than the last Bond film.

Heck, OHMSS was compromised and I love it.

[Jack Spang]

Seems a strange choice. Eon just won't hire American directors will they? I think Christopher Nolan (Momento, Batman Begins) should be doing Bond 22. He'd be perfect. Isn't he Australian?

[Tanger]

Seems a strange choice. Eon just won't hire American directors will they? I think Christopher Nolan (Momento, Batman Begins) should be doing Bond 22. He'd be perfect. Isn't he Australian?

Er...no. British.

[Andrew]

I think Christopher Nolan (Momento, Batman Begins) should be doing Bond 22. He'd be perfect.

He wouldn't be given the creative freedom that Nolan needs.

[Hawkeye]

What's with all the TWINE bashing that keeps popping up in this in thread - for me it's one of the best of the series. But that's just my opinion.

[JimmyBond]

What's with all the TWINE bashing that keeps popping up in this in thread - for me it's one of the best of the series. But that's just my opinion.

Well, it's a bit better than Goldeneye, though for me that's not saying too much

[Andrew]

What's with all the TWINE bashing that keeps popping up in this in thread - for me it's one of the best of the series. But that's just my opinion.

It's pretentious, Bond is out of character and uneven in content.

[Blofeld's Cat]

What's with all the TWINE bashing that keeps popping up in this in thread - for me it's one of the best of the series. But that's just my opinion.

It's called a "TWINE whine." You start with TWINE and end up with a thread.

[Qwerty]

Interesting choice. I'm a fan of Changing Lanes. Swift moving drama with great direction and performances all around. Maybe I should check out another of his films.

[Matt_13]

No complaints.

[DaveBond21]

Does anyone think Roger will be confirmed as the director before the release of CR????