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[Bond#9-GeorgeKemp]

On the future films PTS forum I had a thought; what do we think Daniel Craig's introduction as Bond will be in Casino Royale's PTS?

I'm a big fan of Daniel and think he'll do an awesome job at a reinvention of the series. This is meant to be our first shot of Bond as it is an introduction to him, so how it happens is important. Will it be done with style and panache or picking on his pre-OO7 self, maybe something a little rougher? Do you think we'll be gradually introduced to him like Connery and Lazenby for example? Seeing only the hands or silhouette at first?

What/how we are introduced to Craig's Bond might even give us a clue as to his style as OO7 in CR and the future...

[Loeffelholz]

I predict he will first be seen as a shadowy figure in the crowd at a cricket game---and his presence will be most disconcerting to the one who sees him.

[Bond#9-GeorgeKemp]

Is that a bit of inside knowedge there Loeffelholz?

[JimmyBond]

I predict he will first be seen as a shadowy figure in the crowd at a cricket game---and his presence will be most disconcerting to the one who sees him.

Really? Wow. That's what I predict too.

[JCRendle]

Yea, hmm I don't know - I think that could work

[Le Chiffre]

Maybe I am really stupid, but I don't really get it. Where are you guys referring to?

[Qwerty]

[Moderator's Note: Topic moved to SPOILERS: Casino Royale discussion]

[JimmyBond]

Maybe I am really stupid, but I don't really get it. Where are you guys referring to?

We're just speculating on how Craig will be introduced in Casino Royale

[007NC]

Well, I think I have it figured out. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this could happen seeing how there are some changes, but anywhoo:

It starts off without the gunbarrel and shows Bond killing the man with his pistol wile sitting in the chair, M is talking throughout the whole thing, explaning what is going on and what Bond needs to do. (Whole thing is in black and white) Next, moves Bond entering the bathrom where his second kill is, and he...kills him. He says a line and walks away, turns, and the gunbarrel goes off, everything turns to color, and the main credit sequence begins. Just my take of how the whole movie will start.

[JimmyBond]

I hope there's no Dench voice over, that would be horrible.

[Publius]

I hope there's no Dench voice over, that would be horrible.

Agreed.

Honestly, I'd love it if they were to keep Craig's face shadowed the entire time, only to reveal it same time as the new gunbarrel sequence. That would really throw the audience for a loop.

[Bond#9-GeorgeKemp]

I think the M voiceover MIGHT work if its just at the start. It'd probably get a bit cheesy (for want of a better word) if it carries on too long. Like the idea of the kill and then the turn into the gunbarrel. Little baffled by the cricket match thing though, maybe all will be revealed soon. Like the idea though, the 'disconserting presence to the one who sees him' especially.
I thought that maybe Bond's face at least would be kept in shadow until the first kill and then our first shot of him would be a reaction to what hes just done, be it of remorse or him pushing emotion to the side, part of his job.

[Andrew]

Well, I think I have it figured out. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this could happen seeing how there are some changes, but anywhoo:

It starts off without the gunbarrel and shows Bond killing the man with his pistol wile sitting in the chair, M is talking throughout the whole thing, explaning what is going on and what Bond needs to do. (Whole thing is in black and white) Next, moves Bond entering the bathrom where his second kill is, and he...kills him. He says a line and walks away, turns, and the gunbarrel goes off, everything turns to color, and the main credit sequence begins. Just my take of how the whole movie will start.

Here was my idea from the opening which I'm told turns out to be very reliable to what actually happens...

I had the idea that the sequence is the bathroom is intercut with the scene at the office, implying that Bond is telling the fellow in the office(Dryden) about the kill. Bond finishes the story by telling Dryden that he killed the man but it wasn't easy. Dryden would then say "...but you only have one kill, James. You need two to become a double-O agent." and at that moment Dryden would begin to put together the fact and Bond would shoot him, getting his second kill. Right after Dryden is killed, we would once again flashback to the bathroom and the gunbarrel. That was just my idea though, I don't think that's how it is actually.

I don't think there's a Dench voiceover. I think that Bond will remain in the shadows until he enters Dryden's office, or that's how it should be atleast.

Edited by Andrew, 22 May 2006 - 07:47 PM.

[JCRendle]

Obviously we are all guessing and know nothing of what's going to happen.

[Publius]

Here was my idea from the opening which I'm told turns out to be very reliable to what actually happens...

I had the idea that the sequence is the bathroom is intercut with the scene at the office, implying that Bond is telling the fellow in the office(Dryden) about the kill. Bond finishes the story by telling Dryden that he killed the man but it wasn't easy. Dryden would then say "...but you only have one kill, James. You need two to become a double-O agent." and at that moment Dryden would begin to put together the fact and Bond would shoot him, getting his second kill. Right after Dryden is killed, we would once again flashback to the bathroom and the gunbarrel. That was just my idea though, I don't think that's how it is actually.

I don't think there's a Dench voiceover. I think that Bond will remain in the shadows until he enters Dryden's office, or that's how it should be atleast.

I like it. Seems like in your scenario Dryden wouldn't suspect that Bond, or MI6, was on to him, making the sequence all the more powerful. Between the B&W, intercutting of scenes, violent bathroom brawl, and "surprise" second kill, with the new gunbarrel as the coup de grace, I think most people would just be floored by the awesomeness.

I can only hope.

[JimmyBond]

I like the idea of cutting back and forth between each kill. It gives the whole sequence pacing that standard cutting would not allow. Rather going from A to B, we'd go to A, cut to B, then back to A...etc.

I think this will be the best (and shortest ) teaser in a while.

[Santa]

PTS aside, we have to have a "Bond, James Bond." moment.

[Le Chiffre]

But I still don't get the cricket thing. What's all that about? Could you explain?

[JimmyBond]

One of the fellows he's after is a fan of Cricket.

[David Schofield]

Well, my ideal would be a colour opening in the Casino Royale.

A tuxedoed figure is playing cards. We do not see who it is. The casino is not full, smoke is in the air.

From behind the man, Matthis says: "The scent and sweat and smoke of a casino at three in the morning is dreadful" or words to that effect i.e. whatever Flemming's first line in the novel is.#

From the back, we see the man nod and get up. He cashes his chips and leaves with Matthis. They say good night and Bond returns to the Hotel Splendide.

He asks for his room key and messages. He says his name is Bond, James Bond. We see his face for the first time. He reads his messages, sighs and climbs the stairs to his room.

He enters the room carefully, gun in hand. He waits silently in the dark. He sighs again and turns on the light.

He goes into the bathroom. Momemnts later, he returns in just shorts, roughly pulls back the bed sheets and clims in. He stares into the darkness before closing his eyes.

Cut to first kill in black and white.

Hey, EON gang, its not too late its it to reconsider...

[Bondian]

I think the first sight of Craig will be after we see Sean Connery, George Lazenby, Roger Moore, Timothy Dalton and Pierce Brosnan sitting in a London pub discussing how wonderful the craignotbond website is.

Sean "Yesh. That website makes shome shense!"

George "This never happened to the other five fellas!"

Roger "Quite revealing!"

Timothy "Must have scared the living daylights out of him!"

Pierce "It's what makes me feel alive!".

Suddenly Craig appears and punches Brosnan who falls sideways, and knocks all the other Bond's off of their bar stools.

Craig "Knock, knock".

[Skudor]

LOL

[stone cold]

In the teaset trailer we see several b/w shots of a shadowed hidden bond.. walking along from the back, and we see a very short shot of dark lift doors opening and bond hidden inside...could be a very atmospheric sequence if this is the one that reveals him, not disimilar to the eerie office building at the end of Collateral. ..maybe it is this sequence with dryden in the nightime deserted office that will reveal bond from the shadows..

however i'm thinking ( and i blessedly havent read the script yet.. ) that maybe we will see bond first at the cricket match..with the blubbery arms of the soft life around him.. almost played comically..just another cricket fan hanging out, drinking(?), casual but smart..dapper. looking at girls.. etc..but then zeroing in for his brutal kill. very english, bondian beginning could work brilliantly.

but yeah..i dunno.

just readin casino royale again on the underground to work today.. it is uncanny how certain shots we have seen from the movie configure exactly to how i imagined in the book. The more i see of Craig the more i see the classic original bond.. he has that look in his eyes... totally in the moment, strong , deadly but vulnerable.. i cant wait.

[Tinfinger]

Craig wakes up in bed with another man, both lighting cigarettes. "This never happened to the other fellas."

[cletus van damme]

Just a thought but does anyone think in CR they respond to some of the criticism by doing things on the screen what were not in the original script..or has this been addressed on a another thread??

e.g.

1. they show extensive gratuitious shots of DC in the ASTON doing the manual thing...Nic Cage style in Gone in 60 Seconds..plenty of clutch pushing and 'gearmanship'

2. He smiles alot, showing his perfectt caps OR

3. He picks up a gun and says " I love guns, Oh boy, bloody love em I do"

4. Theres blond hair dye in the bathroom cabinet

5. he beats the crap out of somebody who questions whether he can be James Bond and/or his height and then says "this never happened to the other fella"

there is some idiot on Craig not Bond still peddling the teeth/can't drive/hate guns myths..it annoys me cos they now can'\t say it is true so they say..."it has been reported that..."

[MarcAngeDraco]

there is some idiot on Craig not Bond still peddling the teeth/can't drive/hate guns myths..it annoys me cos they now can'\t say it is true so they say..."it has been reported that..."

There's an idiot on craignotbond!?!?!!?

Shocking... Positively Shocking...

[Bond#9-GeorgeKemp]

Just a thought but does anyone think in CR they respond to some of the criticism by doing things on the screen what were not in the original script..or has this been addressed on a another thread??

e.g.

1. they show extensive gratuitious shots of DC in the ASTON doing the manual thing...Nic Cage style in Gone in 60 Seconds..plenty of clutch pushing and 'gearmanship'

2. He smiles alot, showing his perfectt caps OR

3. He picks up a gun and says " I love guns, Oh boy, bloody love em I do"

4. Theres blond hair dye in the bathroom cabinet

5. he beats the crap out of somebody who questions whether he can be James Bond and/or his height and then says "this never happened to the other fella"

there is some idiot on Craig not Bond still peddling the teeth/can't drive/hate guns myths..it annoys me cos they now can'\t say it is true so they say..."it has been reported that..."

Love that idea, I think they should! Maybe have someone offer him a lifejacket on the Sunseeker too and have DC say, 'Are you serious?? I'm James Bond! They're for pansies!' or answer questions with very long, detailed, unecessarily elaborate answers...

[Loomis]

In the teaset trailer we see several b/w shots of a shadowed hidden bond.. walking along from the back, and we see a very short shot of dark lift doors opening and bond hidden inside...could be a very atmospheric sequence if this is the one that reveals him, not disimilar to the eerie office building at the end of Collateral. ..maybe it is this sequence with dryden in the nightime deserted office that will reveal bond from the shadows..

however i'm thinking ( and i blessedly havent read the script yet.. ) that maybe we will see bond first at the cricket match..with the blubbery arms of the soft life around him.. almost played comically..just another cricket fan hanging out, drinking(?), casual but smart..dapper. looking at girls.. etc..but then zeroing in for his brutal kill. very english, bondian beginning could work brilliantly.

From the Latino Review review a while back, I gathered that the film opens in Pakistan, with the London killing (which I believe is the legendarily messy one that goes a bit pearshaped) following it, but I suspect that the order has been switched round.

For one thing, the B&W shots you mention, with the figure (Bond, I presume) walking down the street, the lift doors opening, and the gradual revealing of our hero (rather similar to the way Campbell took his time showing Bond fully in GOLDENEYE) are so perfect as a suspense-building introduction to Craig's Bond that it's impossible to imagine they could be improved on. And those bits are clearly set in London. To go from Bond in Pakistan (where we clearly see him beating someone up, etc.) to all this elaborate and atmospheric stuff would seem odd.

Also, the gunbarrel takes place in a lavatory, which is obviously in Pakistan. Now, granted, this is just the teaser and may not reflect the content of the actual film, but to have Bond messing up his first cold-blooded killing and pulling off his second more professionally would show progress for the character and enable him to go into the gunbarrel in a more, as it were, heroic light.

Also, introducing Bond in London - where (regardless of being born in West Germany or wherever) he's essentially "from" - makes sense.

No, I imagine that the very first shot of the teaser trailer will also be the very first shot of the finished film. Or if it isn't, it flippin' well ought to be.

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

Perhaps the film opens with Dryden arriving at the high-tech modern office building in Prague and the shots of the dark figure walking along the street and the guy going up in the lift are Dryden and not Bond. What if Bond were already at Dryden's flat, sitting, waiting in the dark for his target. The flashbacks about the first(messy) kill in pakistan could be intercut with Bond's confrontation with Dryden which is more pyschological than physical. What if the shot of what looks like Bond in the lift with the doors opening is infact played in reverse in the trailer. Look at the button, down is lit up. Perhaps this the final shot in Dryden's place as Bond is leaving or it may be from another sequence in the film or Maybe it's not even Bond in that lift but Dryden again. Just some thoughts on the matter.

[Andrew]

Perhaps the film opens with Dryden arriving at the high-tech modern office building in Prague and the shots of the dark figure walking along the street and the guy going up in the lift are Dryden and not Bond. What if Bond were already at Dryden's flat, sitting, waiting in the dark for his target. The flashbacks about the first(messy) kill in pakistan could be intercut with Bond's confrontation with Dryden which is more pyschological than physical. What if the shot of what looks like Bond in the lift with the doors opening is infact played in reverse in the trailer. Look at the button, down is lit up. Perhaps this the final shot in Dryden's place as Bond is leaving or it may be from another sequence in the film or Maybe it's not even Bond in that lift but Dryden again. Just some thoughts on the matter.

That sounds similar to my suggestion on the matter, although you know a little more than I do