171 replies to this topic

[Mathis05]

This may be the wrong place to start it...but, based completely on what we know about the plot of the book and the film, do we have any idea what plot/storyline/title we may have for B22?

[JimmyBond]

Well, at the end of the novel Bond vows vengeance on Smerth. We know Smersh isnt in the film but he could vow to hunt down and destroy the orginization in Casino Royale.

[Double-Oh Agent]

I'm going to go out on a little bit of a limb and predict that Bond 22 will continue with the Ian Fleming connections and be titled after one of his short stories AND it will be stated as such at the end of Casino Royale. "James Bond will return in Risico."

As for what the storyline or plot might be, I have no idea.

[Aussie21]

I'm going to go out on a little bit of a limb and predict that Bond 22 will continue with the Ian Fleming connections and be titled after one of his short stories AND it will be stated as such at the end of Casino Royale. "James Bond will return in Risico."

As for what the storyline or plot might be, I have no idea.

For the record, I really dig the title 'Risico' for Bond 22. I think it'd be interesting enough and would intrigue enough people to produce a hit. Of course it'd have to be a good movie to actually be a hit, but with a name like that, it'd be well on its way. I'm babbling, aren't I?

[DLibrasnow]

This may be the wrong place to start it...but, based completely on what we know about the plot of the book and the film, do we have any idea what plot/storyline/title we may have for B22?

All we know for certain is that it starts where CASINO ROYALE ends (ie a follow-up).

If they follow the production schedule for Bond 22 that they used on Casino Royale, they wont actually start filming until January. When's Craig done filming? Next month perhaps. That gives Craig a good couple of months off to do another film and relax from Bond.

More than a couple of months....Craig will get about six months off, which will allow him to get at least one more non-007 movie done before he starts on Bond 2.2

[JimmyBond]

Well, I did say a "good" couple of months. Implying more than 4

[K1Bond007]

This may be the wrong place to start it...but, based completely on what we know about the plot of the book and the film, do we have any idea what plot/storyline/title we may have for B22?

Well, Bond will go after the people that Le Chiffre worked for. It's only natural given the novel and the film's "leftover" thread.

I'm going to go out on a little bit of a limb and predict that Bond 22 will continue with the Ian Fleming connections and be titled after one of his short stories AND it will be stated as such at the end of Casino Royale. "James Bond will return in Risico."

As for what the storyline or plot might be, I have no idea.

I agree. I think they're going to stick with a Fleming title for at least the next 2. Bond 23 will probably be The Property of a Lady. After that I think it may depend on whether Craig sticks around. If so, then Hildebrand for 24, if not.. ?? But I can totally see it playing out in this order.

[DLibrasnow]

I agree. I think they're going to stick with a Fleming title for at least the next 2. Bond 23 will probably be The Property of a Lady. After that I think it may depend on whether Craig sticks around. If so, then Hildebrand for 24, if not.. ?? But I can totally see it playing out in this order.

I like the idea of RISICO (though I understand MGW's relucatance to use it), but wasn't PROPERTY OF A LADY used as part of OCTOPUSSY?!

[tdalton]

I agree. I think they're going to stick with a Fleming title for at least the next 2. Bond 23 will probably be The Property of a Lady. After that I think it may depend on whether Craig sticks around. If so, then Hildebrand for 24, if not.. ?? But I can totally see it playing out in this order.

I like the idea of RISICO (though I understand MGW's relucatance to use it), but wasn't PROPERTY OF A LADY used as part of OCTOPUSSY?!

It was, but since this is suposedly an entirely new continuity, I think that they could go back and use it again. Also, it was supposed to be the title of Dalton's third Bond film around 1990 or 1991 before the legal troubles began, so if they were considering using it then, I would imagine that they would at least have it on the table as an option for Bond 2.2 or 2.3 (or whenever).

[DLibrasnow]

I like the idea of RISICO (though I understand MGW's relucatance to use it), but wasn't PROPERTY OF A LADY used as part of OCTOPUSSY?!

It was, but since this is suposedly an entirely new continuity, I think that they could go back and use it again.

Good point and I agree....I think PROPERTY OF A LADY is a great Bond title.

[EyesOnly]

Before EON starts coming up with their own fantastic titles (Die Anothehr Day, Tomorrow Never Dies ) They should seriously use the rest of Fleming's. Property of a Lady would be great!

[killkenny kid]

Property of A Lady is a great title. But will the american fans get it? Remember some thought we didn't understand REVOKED.

[Aussie21]

I like the title 'Property of a Lady' as well. Hopefully they decide to stick with Fleming titles.

[EyesOnly]

I don't think there is anything to "get" from that title!

[K1Bond007]

I agree. I think they're going to stick with a Fleming title for at least the next 2. Bond 23 will probably be The Property of a Lady. After that I think it may depend on whether Craig sticks around. If so, then Hildebrand for 24, if not.. ?? But I can totally see it playing out in this order.

I like the idea of RISICO (though I understand MGW's relucatance to use it), but wasn't PROPERTY OF A LADY used as part of OCTOPUSSY?!

Yeah, Moore even says "The Property of a Lady" as he points to a piece of paper that says the title and presumably the facts about the Faberge egg.

Risico was used in For Your Eyes only.

Big deal though. They don't have to use the characters or even the story, they can come up with a new story and just name it that. I said a while back they don't even have to make the title work with the story as far as something like Risico is concerned. What does it matter? Who cares? I mean look at A View to a Kill. No one understands that title and if they didn't add one of the most ridiculous lines in cinema history then there'd be no mention of it all. No one cared though. Risico is fancy schmancy for Risk. Big deal.

See.. Risico fun!
heh.. I have no idea what I was trying to do there...

[Double-Oh Agent]

I agree. I think they're going to stick with a Fleming title for at least the next 2. Bond 23 will probably be The Property of a Lady. After that I think it may depend on whether Craig sticks around. If so, then Hildebrand for 24, if not.. ?? But I can totally see it playing out in this order.

I like the idea of RISICO (though I understand MGW's relucatance to use it), but wasn't PROPERTY OF A LADY used as part of OCTOPUSSY?!

Yeah, Moore even says "The Property of a Lady" as he points to a piece of paper that says the title and presumably the facts about the Faberge egg.

Risico was used in For Your Eyes only.

Big deal though. They don't have to use the characters or even the story, they can come up with a new story and just name it that. I said a while back they don't even have to make the title work with the story as far as something like Risico is concerned. What does it matter? Who cares? I mean look at A View to a Kill. No one understands that title and if they didn't add one of the most ridiculous lines in cinema history then there'd be no mention of it all. No one cared though. Risico is fancy schmancy for Risk. Big deal.

See.. Risico fun!
heh.. I have no idea what I was trying to do there...

Risico was used in the For Your Eyes Only film? Where?

Well, both the Risico and The Property Of A Lady storylines have already been used up. There's nothing else to glean from either of them except for maybe a mole being in MI6 TPOAL, as a result, the stories would have to be completely new.

As for how to use the title of Risico in the movie, I think the easiest and most logical ways are either to have Bond's or the villain's mission be codenamed Risico, or have the villain use the word to one of his henchman or to Bond much like Colombo did to 007 in the short story. "In this business, Mr. Bond, is much risico...much risk."

For the record, my top 5 unused Ian Fleming titles in order are:

1. Doctor Shatterhand (or Shatterhand)
2. Risico
3. The Undertaker's Wind
4. The Garden Of Death
5. The Property Of A Lady
Honorable Mention: The Hildebrand Rarity

[stamper]

Yeah, Moore even says "The Property of a Lady" as he points to a piece of paper that says the title and presumably the facts about the Faberge egg.

He says so, but with much distance, raising his highbrow, like he is winking at us fans, and mocking at the same time. I think the subtitles should go like "I'm telling this line because it will keep the Fleming die hard fans happy for the next 35 years, but quite frankly, I can't wait to get into the clown suit and the gorilla suit, that's much more my department, as the new Bond, than all this Fleming nonsense. This is OLD. Those guys should get a life. I'm Bond, get used to it. Who cares who created him ? It's more fun to the audience to see Bond disguised as a crocodile, or swinging from tree to tree in the jungle like Tarzan. Now, that's definitive. I can't see why the scriptwriters still slip in those lines, it's obvious we're doing much better than all this novels nonsense. By the way, can the producers slip in there a hitchiking joke ?"

Edited by stamper, 31 May 2006 - 09:09 AM.

[Simon]

For the record, my top 5 unused Ian Fleming titles in order are:

1. Doctor Shatterhand (or Shatterhand)
2. Risico
3. The Undertaker's Wind
4. The Garden Of Death
5. The Property Of A Lady
Honorable Mention: The Hildebrand Rarity

Yes - when this sort of thing was discussed here a few years ago, I mentioned the very same.

Unfortunately, there were those who mentioned that the title could just as easily be representing that of a bad attack of 'wind'. Obviously derision would ensue and, subsequently, a title change.

[DLibrasnow]

For the record, my top 5 unused Ian Fleming titles in order are:

1. Doctor Shatterhand (or Shatterhand)
2. Risico
3. The Undertaker's Wind
4. The Garden Of Death
5. The Property Of A Lady
Honorable Mention: The Hildebrand Rarity

Yes - when this sort of thing was discussed here a few years ago, I mentioned the very same.

Unfortunately, there were those who mentioned that the title could just as easily be representing that of a bad attack of 'wind'. Obviously derision would ensue and, subsequently, a title change.

I'm not fond of that title particularly for that reason.

[SecretAgentFan]

I think all these remaining Fleming Title

[ACE]

I'd love to see the remaining short story titles used:

Quantum of Solace
Risico
The Hildebrand Rarity

(The Property of a Lady was used in Octopussy in quite a specific context)

Maybe other titles:

Shatterhand
Happiness Without A Shadow
All To Play For
Blood And Thunder
Shaken Not Stirred
Perchance To Die

[K1Bond007]

Risico was used in the For Your Eyes Only film? Where?

About a third of the film is based on Risico. Everything from Kristatos to Colombo and their "pointing of the finger" at one another. Read the short story, see the movie. It's all there.

[DLibrasnow]

Risico was used in the For Your Eyes Only film? Where?

About a third of the film is based on Risico. Everything from Kristatos to Colombo and their "pointing of the finger" at one another. Read the short story, see the movie. It's all there.

I think Double-Oh Agent took you to mean that the word "Risico" was used as a piece of dialogue in FOR YOUR EYES ONLY. That's the way I took it too since you had just been referencing the "Property of a Lady" dialogue in OCTOPUSSY.

[K1Bond007]

Risico was used in the For Your Eyes Only film? Where?

About a third of the film is based on Risico. Everything from Kristatos to Colombo and their "pointing of the finger" at one another. Read the short story, see the movie. It's all there.

I think Double-Oh Agent took you to mean that the word "Risico" was used as a piece of dialogue in FOR YOUR EYES ONLY. That's the way I took it too since you had just been referencing the "Property of a Lady" dialogue in OCTOPUSSY.

Ah... understandable.

[Double-Oh Agent]

Risico was used in the For Your Eyes Only film? Where?

About a third of the film is based on Risico. Everything from Kristatos to Colombo and their "pointing of the finger" at one another. Read the short story, see the movie. It's all there.

I think Double-Oh Agent took you to mean that the word "Risico" was used as a piece of dialogue in FOR YOUR EYES ONLY. That's the way I took it too since you had just been referencing the "Property of a Lady" dialogue in OCTOPUSSY.

That was my understanding exactly.

[Darksideoftheschwartz]

For the reasons I posted in the initial post I think there's quite a bit of circumstancial evidence that even if the Bond producers are not planning it, they are at least considering it.

In fact it would show a great deal of support for (and confidence in) their new man to have him already green lit (and close to shooting) the second one when <!-- CBN - FILM TAG BEGIN cr --><a target='_blank' href='http://www.commanderbond.net/index.cgi?action=Category&CID=184'><b class='film'>Casino Royale</b></a><!-- CBN - FILM TAG END --> opens.

Well, you have a great point there. I cannot express how much I would love a bond movie for 2007. Not because of the 007 year, but because I have no patience, and want to see a anew bond story as soon as possible

[DLibrasnow]

For the reasons I posted in the initial post I think there's quite a bit of circumstancial evidence that even if the Bond producers are not planning it, they are at least considering it.

In fact it would show a great deal of support for (and confidence in) their new man to have him already green lit (and close to shooting) the second one when CASINO ROYALE opens.

Well, you have a great point there. I cannot express how much I would love a bond movie for 2007. Not because of the 007 year, but because I have no patience, and want to see a anew bond story as soon as possible

I have faith, I am convinced that we will see Bond 22 in 2007.

[EyesOnly]

Besides the rumor of script writers and directors being hired to work on the script that P&W have already or are writing, whey else are you convinced Dlib?

[Qwerty]

I'd love to see the remaining short story titles used:

Quantum of Solace
Risico
The Hildebrand Rarity

(The Property of a Lady was used in Octopussy in quite a specific context)

Maybe other titles:

Shatterhand
Happiness Without A Shadow
All To Play For
Blood And Thunder
Shaken Not Stirred
Perchance To Die

Definitely. With them going back to a Fleming title for Casino Royale, hopefully it will persuade them in some form to stick with a few of the others for Bond 22 and 23.

[JimmyBond]

Besides the rumor of script writers and directors being hired to work on the script that P&W have already or are writing, whey else are you convinced Dlib?

Why not be optimistic about it? They've been out of the game for four years, you'd think they're ready to get into gears churning out the films again. They are almost certainly not going to want to wait another two years to get Craig's film out I'll tell you that.