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[killkenny kid]

So, what do we have here?

A story based on a Ian Fleming book.
Two beauitful and sexy women.
The Villain.
Henchmen.
M.
The Aston Martin.
Beauitful Locations.
The Casino.
The Tux.
A PTS.
A Gunbarrel.

And Daniel Craig is BOND. We are in good hands, and there is nothing to worry about.

[Qwerty]

Yes, they've been quite fond of the two Bond girls lately. Since Licence To Kill onwards really...

[Roebuck]

I seriously doubt this film is going to be as revisionist as fans fear/hope. As Killkenny Kid points out, all the important elements are still there. It

[DanMan]

I happened to get my hands on a copy of the script last night and it feels like the "lost" Connery film because it just feels so old school Bond but with a 21st Century edge.

[Roebuck]

I happened to get my hands on a copy of the script last night and it feels like the "lost" Connery film because it just feels so old school Bond but with a 21st Century edge.

Like I've mentioned before, I got a Jack Bauer vibe from the Latino Review article; I'm hoping that kind of '24' momentum translates into the finished film.

[sharpshooter]

How is everyone getting a hand on the script? I would like to read it!!!!!

[morganhavoc]

How is everyone getting a hand on the script? I would like to read it!!!!!

Me too

[killkenny kid]

Damn, I'm such a fool....can someone move this thread to the spoilers.

[Loomis]

I suspect that, whether or not CR turns out to be, in Roebuck's words, "as revisionist as fans fear/hope", it isn't going to be as good as people have been making it out to be. I have a few reservations from the trailer, not really to do with Craig (whom I like, but I do doubt that he'll be universally accepted), but more to do with Campbell.

Our hero shows signs of being an excessively "emotional" Bond in the Dalton/Brosnan mode (since when did Bond whine about his life expectancy?), the trailer reminds me strongly of DIE ANOTHER DAY mixed with recent trendy flicks like SIN CITY, and, while I haven't read the script, I have read some of the dialogue, and much of it I don't think works. Now, that doesn't mean that I'm right, or that most of the dialogue (that I haven't seen) isn't amazing, but I do feel that CR is shaping up to be a more than slight disappointment. Forget about a great film, and settle for a better-than-average one, is what I reckon we're gonna have to do.

[Roebuck]

Forget about a great film, and settle for a better-than-average one, is what I reckon we're gonna have to do.

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[Harmsway]

Forget about a great film, and settle for a better-than-average one, is what I reckon we're gonna have to do.

Good attitude, I'd say. It's never good to have expectations that are too overwhelming for the film to me.

CASINO ROYALE will undoubtedly be good... but I'm not sure it'll be *great*. Though I have to say it's going to be a lot easier to get me to like CASINO ROYALE than the Brosnan films because I already dig the lead actor. As with any Bond film, dig the lead actor and you'll find the flaws more forgiveable.

CASINO ROYALE does mark the return of some very weighty M/Bond dialogue when it occurs, and that was my major disappointment. You could just tell that the script had been tailored to fit Dench's M all the way through, and, as always, it's heavy-handed on her part. (Though, for your worries, Bond's full line is "Well, I understand Double-Os have a very short life expectancy, so one can hope your mistake isn't long-lived.")

Dialogue, though, for the most part works, which is something I don't think *any* of the Brosnan films really achieved. Unlike the Brosnan films, it isn't constant witticism or pun or innuendo - there's more to it, and when there is witticism, it's of a higher class.

[Santa]

I suspect that, whether or not CR turns out to be, in Roebuck's words, "as revisionist as fans fear/hope", it isn't going to be as good as people have been making it out to be. I have a few reservations from the trailer, not really to do with Craig (whom I like, but I do doubt that he'll be universally accepted), but more to do with Campbell.

Our hero shows signs of being an excessively "emotional" Bond in the Dalton/Brosnan mode (since when did Bond whine about his life expectancy?), the trailer reminds me strongly of DIE ANOTHER DAY mixed with recent trendy flicks like SIN CITY, and, while I haven't read the script, I have read some of the dialogue, and much of it I don't think works. Now, that doesn't mean that I'm right, or that most of the dialogue (that I haven't seen) isn't amazing, but I do feel that CR is shaping up to be a more than slight disappointment. Forget about a great film, and settle for a better-than-average one, is what I reckon we're gonna have to do.

Loomis, you are so hormonal

[JimmyBond]

(since when did Bond whine about his life expectancy?),

Bond's not whining about anything with that bit, he's making a flippant remark to M, there's actually more to that line than what's in the trialer.

[Loomis]

(since when did Bond whine about his life expectancy?),

Bond's not whining about anything with that bit, he's making a flippant remark to M, there's actually more to that line than what's in the trialer.

Granted, but for some reason I find my faith in CASINO ROYALE slipping a bit. "Be careful what you wish for", "You don't know what you've got till it's gone".... such phrases are coming to mind. Now excuse me while I go and write some "Remington Steele" fanfiction.

Half-kidding, as ever, but I think Roebuck's got it right, and that CR will be considerably closer to a Brosnan Bond (albeit a superior kind of Brosnan Bond) than FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE. As Harmsway points out, realistic hopes are better than wild ones.

[JimmyBond]

Half-kidding, as ever, but I think Roebuck's got it right, and that CR will be considerably closer to a Brosnan Bond than FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE. As Harmsway points out, realistic hopes are better than wild ones.

I don't recall a Brosnan Bond film where the baddie is offed 3/4 of the way through the film and hte last quarter of film is Bond and the Bond girl living it up

[Loomis]

I don't recall a Brosnan Bond film where the baddie is offed 3/4 of the way through the film and hte last quarter of film is Bond and the Bond girl living it up

It's coming. It's called CASINO ROYALE.

[JimmyBond]

Actually if you're expecting Casino Royale to resemble a Brosnan film you'll be quite disappointed. Brosnan's Bond's always started off great and degenerated into nothing but action sequences for the last hour of the film. Casino Royale on the other hand has it's two big action sequences in the first half of the film, the Latino Review implied that the big action sequences are at the start of the film.

[stromberg]

I don't recall a Brosnan Bond film where the baddie is offed 3/4 of the way through the film and hte last quarter of film is Bond and the Bond girl living it up

It's coming. It's called CASINO ROYALE.

Casino Royale will be a Brosnan Bond movie? News to me.

[Bon-san]

As with any Bond film, dig the lead actor and you'll find the flaws more forgiveable.

Ah, the cat is out of the bag.

One could cut/paste this into numerous pissing matches, er, discussion threads around here and kill them off wholesale.

Like weed-killer.

'The Dalton era was humourless and clumsy.'

'As with any Bond film, dig the lead actor and you'll find the flaws more forgiveable.'

'Brosnan's films focussed too much on the emotional.'

'As with any Bond film, dig the lead actor and you'll find the flaws more forgiveable.'

'Connery's hairpiece moved from scene to scene.'

'As with any Bond film, dig the lead actor and you'll find the flaws more forgiveable.'

'George couldn't act.'

'As with any Bond film, dig the lead actor and you'll find the flaws more forgiveable.'

'Roger Moore took the great James Bond and turned him into a comedian, which led my great uncle Harry into a depression from which he never recovered.'

'As with any Bond film, dig the lead actor and you'll find the flaws more forgiveable.'


It's like a new toy.

[Leon]

[quote name='Roebuck' post='550821' date='3 May 2006 - 11:01']
I seriously doubt this film is going to be as revisionist as fans fear/hope. As Killkenny Kid points out, all the important elements are still there. It

[medrecess]

So, what do we have here?

A story based on a Ian Fleming book.
Two beauitful and sexy women.
The Villain.
Henchmen.
M.
The Aston Martin.
Beauitful Locations.
The Casino.
The Tux.
A PTS.
A Gunbarrel.

And Daniel Craig is BOND. We are in good hands, and there is nothing to worry about.

Yes like craig said even after incorporating more reality in the script at the end of the day it still will be a James Bond film with all the elements like girls ,tux,cars etc.

So it may be radically new gritty definitely but it still will be a Bond film.A formula tried and tested for 40 years.

.Nothing is ging to change that,

[Roebuck]

[quote name='Leon' post='551011' date='3 May 2006 - 18:40']
[quote name='Roebuck' post='550821' date='3 May 2006 - 11:01']
I seriously doubt this film is going to be as revisionist as fans fear/hope. As Killkenny Kid points out, all the important elements are still there. It

[DanMan]

There's no way this could be like a Brosnan-era movie. The only action in the second half of the movie is small scale hand-to-hand combat.

[Roebuck]

The only action in the second half of the movie is small scale hand-to-hand combat.

For which they need a studio with a giant water tank? Sounds like EON have a big action sequence in mind to round off the third act. Much as I think Fleming's original ending could be made to work on screen, I don't see it happening.

[JimmyBond]

To be honest it's not that big of an action sequence.

[DanMan]

It's not an OTT action sequence. It's much, much smaller scale than you think.

[Leon]

The crane jumping is a hell of an action piece as it's being done for real. Just as amazing as the Bungee jump in GE IMO. I was walking past a building site today with cranes and imagined jumping across and nearly had a heart attack just thinking about it.

Serious respect for those stuntmen.

Edited by Leon, 03 May 2006 - 07:47 PM.

[Roebuck]

It's not an OTT action sequence. It's much, much smaller scale than you think.

My point is that you're saying small scale hand-to-hand combat, but the film makers are saying large water tank and complicated physical effects shots. Sure, it may be low key in comparison with Die Another Day, but they're obviously gearing up to film something more than a little punch-up.

[Harmsway]

Let me put it this way:

Is the draft of CASINO ROYALE ultimately a different product than what we got in the Brosnan years?

Yes - it's much more grounded, but not *that* much more grounded. We're looking at a more subdued THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH here in terms of scale (but overall it should be much more fun and vibrant than THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH ever could have been). However, there are a few carry-overs, including the Bond/M relationship, but despite not cleaning up all the problems with the Brosnan era, it fixes the majority of them.


Is the draft of CASINO ROYALE the best script Bond has ever had or similar?

No. It's a good deal better than the Brosnan scripts, IMO (which is, in honesty, not saying too much), with a nice sense of humor about it and some really nice scenes that work beautifully. The dialogue is overall more consistent and superior to that of the Brosnan films and sometimes equal to that of the Connery films, though there are lapses now and then into Brosnan-era stuff (mainly with Dench's M).

I find what flaws there are to be very tolerable and hardly damning, and I'm very excited for CASINO ROYALE in general. It should be a bonafide blast for Bond fans (or at. I'm highly confident that CASINO ROYALE will be the best Bond film we've had in the past 20 years or possibly even as far back as the last 30 years (I'm no fan of the 80s Bond films for the record, just because they all strike me as somewhat mediocre).

[ACE]

As with any Bond film, dig the lead actor and you'll find the flaws more forgiveable.

Ah, the cat is out of the bag.

One could cut/paste this into numerous pissing matches, er, discussion threads around here and kill them off wholesale.

Like weed-killer.

'The Dalton era was humourless and clumsy.'

'As with any Bond film, dig the lead actor and you'll find the flaws more forgiveable.'

'Brosnan's films focussed too much on the emotional.'

'As with any Bond film, dig the lead actor and you'll find the flaws more forgiveable.'

'Connery's hairpiece moved from scene to scene.'

'As with any Bond film, dig the lead actor and you'll find the flaws more forgiveable.'

'George couldn't act.'

'As with any Bond film, dig the lead actor and you'll find the flaws more forgiveable.'

'Roger Moore took the great James Bond and turned him into a comedian, which led my great uncle Harry into a depression from which he never recovered.'

'As with any Bond film, dig the lead actor and you'll find the flaws more forgiveable.'

LOL! Do you realize this answer has the capability to kill off whole strains of posts and threads, forever. The UN will give in to your demands, Bon-san!
And grant you your title...