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[casinoroyale11234]

I dont know alot about guns but for a second I thought he was using a P88

Edited by casinoroyale11234, 18 April 2006 - 11:09 PM.

[Flash1087]

I dont know alot about guns but for a second I thought he was using a P88

You know, that's not an entirely unlikely situation.

http://world.guns.ru...guns/hg87-e.htm

It DOES certainly bear a resembalance to the Hi-Power, but for whatever reason, I just can't see them using another Walther that isn't the PPK or P-99. I could be wrong (it's happened before!) but I'd bet it's still a Hi-Power of some degree.

[sidspappy]

Was a gun nut a few years back - not following the industry much anymore. I agree with the posters here who believe Bond will carry the P99. The Browning Hi-Power profile is clearly visible in the quick shots of the teaser trailer. It can be inferred that Bond loses the Walther at some point and picks up a handy Hi-Power to replace it. I really don't think he'll be using it as his issue pistol - despite the plausibility that he's intimately familiar with it if he came out of the SAS. Although the Browning is probably a better choice for a serious gunfighter - due to it's superior single-action handling and quality construction - the P99 is more "modern" and "sexy" as far as cinematic flair goes. It also adheres to the Bond/Walther mystique.

Either pistol is a far better choice than saddling Bond with the venerable PPK. The stopping power of the weak 7.65mm round wouldn't get Bond out of any real scrapes - unless it was loaded with some special rounds from Q-Branch.

At least in DAD, they actually show Bond cleaning his weapon AND reloading the darn thing. Much more realistic. From the pictures I've seen, it looks like Daniel Craig presents a similar realistic combat sensibility when it comes to weapon handling.

[Flash1087]

You have a point. One of my favorite things of the Brosnan era was finally seeing a two-handed grip on his gun. Who'd have figured?

[dream34]

The CIA used to issue Hi Power's. The guns were purchased from Interarms (all were used guns). The serial #'s were milled out of the gun and the area welded back up, making the gun "sterile". They now issue the Glock 23 with no serial #. Guns are new and provided by Glock without #'s.

FBI: Glock 23 (tactical team is issued Springfield 1911 with same specs as the TRP model)

NSA: Technically they are not issued weapons

DEA: Glock 23

US Secret Service: Sig Sauer P228 and 229

Dept. of Homeland Security (ATF/INS/Air Marshal):many agencies (big and small)have merged together as part of DHS and no one firearm has been standardized for issue under the one agency. Most are issued Sig's and some Glocks

US Armed Forces: Beretta M9 (basically the same as a 92FS. They are changing back to the 45 ACP round and testing guns at this time. SF and SEALS are issued different guns for particular missions.

*Glock provides firearms to over 65% of law enforcement agencies throughout the United States

No idea what foreign govt's issue.

All US agencies allow agents to carry other guns, but they must be on an approved list. These can be carry or backup weapons.

You know all this or are you just guessing?

Just kidding, thanks SecretAgent007!

Sounds like you are pretty much on target with this list. I can't say that I know a lot about which agencies carry which firearms, but I have had occasion to work with both the ATF and the FBI, and both carry the weapons you have listed.

As far as Glocks being used by about 65% of U.S. Law Enforcement agencies, I would guess that is correct. I can tell you that NOPD officers are issued the Glock 22, and it has a special serial number and the Star and crescent along with "New Orleans Police" etched on the slide. As far as other U.S. Departments, most carry either the Beretta 92, One of the Sig Sauer 9mm or .40 S&W, or one of the Glock models. I have also found that most State Police Agencies usually opt for either the Sig Sauer or The Glock, in .45 ACP.

As far as what I carry off duty, I have two the Walther P99cAS and the PPK. Both are great guns, but they each have their drawbacks as well. The P99c is better from the standpoint of durability and better for concealed carry when I wear casual clothing. It is also more resistant to rust and therefore the one I carry most often. The PPK is great, because it can be concealed with little or no effort, however because of the often humid weather here I only carry the gun when concealablity is my primarily concern.

As far as what gun is best for Bond, I would say that the P99C probably is the best choice. First of all it keeps with the Bond/Walther mythos. Second, the P99c is only slightly larger than the PPK and can be easily concealed, unlike the full-size P99. Third, like the "baby" Glock pistols, the P99c will accept the full-size P99 magazine, giving it the full shot capacity of the standard size weapon. In fact that's how I carry my P99c. I have it concealed with the standard 10 rnd mag and keep a full-size 15 rnd mag in my pocket. Works very nice and gives me a total of 26 rounds, which is more than enough for any good shot.

[Flash1087]

I love threads like this.

And for the record, Michigan State Police carry one of the 9mm Glocks, the exact model number escapes me however.

So you've got a P99C, eh? Tell me more.

[JimmyBond]

You have a point. One of my favorite things of the Brosnan era was finally seeing a two-handed grip on his gun. Who'd have figured?

I hated that aspect of Brosnan. Would the best shot in the world really need to hold his gun like that though? Plausible or not, I felt it looked a bit forced.

[SecretAgent007]

Jimmybond. All of the top handgun shooters in the world use a 2 handed grip, unless the stage they are shooting specifies a one handed grip.

[Bryce (003)]

Indeed.

Part of good personal practice is firing single hand (i.e. "shooting from the hip") but since day one of my pistol education, I was taught two handed from BB guns up. One handed is a good skill to practice, but two handed is about hitting the target and control of the weapon - whether you are more powerful than it or not and a staple of any military/law enforcement instruction. It's not about precision stance and it's not about looking cool. It's about accuracy and speed. Drawing a bede or reacting to a threat. No second place winner.

Brosnan wasn't the first Bond going two handed. Roger did it quite a bit in FYEO - had he been a bit quicker, our poor countess might have not said goodbye.

[SecretAgent007]

Ah, yes but Roger's grip was incorrect. He wrapped his weak hand around his strong wrist and/or under his strong hand. That's a no no. Your weak hand should have an over exagerated cock to it (like an artist holding a brush) and be wrapped around the strong hand. Both thumbs (stong hand thumb on top of weak hand thumb) point toward the target. In this way the weak hand acts as a strut and resets the muzzle of the gun back on target.
like this:  grip.jpg   14KB   58 downloads

When shooting one handed your wrist should be rotated slightly, about 10 degrees towards your weak side. And you should always hold the gun with about the same pressure as you would a hammer when striking a nail.

Edited by SecretAgent007, 08 June 2006 - 03:37 PM.

[Bryce (003)]

Damn right!

Ah...the cinema.

Some films get it correct and Bond is Bond after all.

I always kind of liked Sean's wrist-over-wrist stance when he spins and fires while being being stalked by Grant in FRWL's PTS.

Reviewing this thread reminds me....I need to get to the range. It's been three weeks and the Admiral will be pissed.

[JimmyBond]

Jimmybond. All of the top handgun shooters in the world use a 2 handed grip, unless the stage they are shooting specifies a one handed grip.

Could have done without the condescending atittude, but thanks for the info.