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#1 Mister Asterix

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 09:30 PM



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#2 Harmsway

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 09:38 PM

Ahh, there's the THE THIRD MAN-esque ending Stax told us about.

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 09:42 PM

We know from Stax's review of the script that the sequence in Venice pays tribute to the climax of the classic film, The Third Man. One only has to suspect this will involve a chase through the canals and into the massive underground sewer system. I would assume that is the section that will be built and filmed at Pinewood, in the massive 007 soundstage..

Ahh, you typed faster than I, Harmsway!!

Edited by Ace Roberts, 16 March 2006 - 09:43 PM.


#4 TerminalLon3some

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 09:44 PM

Wait, what exactly is this? A major action scene at the end of Casino Royale? I thought they said the ending of the film is the same as the novel.


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Posted 16 March 2006 - 09:56 PM

This may just be towards the end. The actual ultimate scene could be back at the hotel, where Bond could call his contact and deliver the fateful final line.

#6 Fro

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 10:37 PM

Wait, what exactly is this? A major action scene at the end of Casino Royale? I thought they said the ending of the film is the same as the novel.


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The final action scene, in the same way as the bobsled chase is the climatic action scene in OHMSS.

You take the Bond/Vesper stuff straight from the book as-is and you have 20-30 minutes after the film is "done" for people to sit through with no goal or motivation. Run that parallel to a extension of Bond's mission from the book and you have something really intriguing and it makes the ending even more shocking.

You need a "fake" payoff for the Vesper storyline to hit people in the gut properly, since they were expecting Vesper to go "OH JAMES" and get shagged by Bond at the end like nearly every other Bond movie.

I was hoping for something like the article describes, so I'm pretty pumped.

Edited by Fro, 16 March 2006 - 10:39 PM.


#7 marktmurphy

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 11:03 PM

Perhaps they'll be using the Venice idea from the original draft of Tomorrow Never Dies.

#8 Agent Spriggan Ominae

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 11:10 PM

Perhaps they'll be using the Venice idea from the original draft of Tomorrow Never Dies.


How where they planning to use Venice in TDN?

#9 marktmurphy

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 11:20 PM

From memory it was all based arounf the festival of the masks they have there. I'll have to dig out the script from my hard disk.

#10 Moore Not Less

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 11:26 PM

I am a little disappointed that Bond is returning to Venice. Don't get me wrong, I have had the great pleasure to visit Venice twice and it really is a beautiful place. But I would have been happier with Sorrento and The Bay of Naples, for example.

As we all know, Venice has already featured quite extensively in From Russia With Love and Moonraker. Perhaps, Babs & Mickey feel they owe a debt to Venice after the double take pigeon/Bondola sequence. :tup:

Edited by Moore Not Less, 16 March 2006 - 11:28 PM.


#11 marktmurphy

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 11:29 PM

From memory it was all based around the festival of the masks they have there. I'll have to dig out the script from my hard disk.


Just had a quick read and it's a fairly uninspired foot chase which ends in a fight in a medieval armour museum. Not amazing, but it's a nice set-up.

#12 Harmsway

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Posted 17 March 2006 - 12:19 AM

I don't think the TOMORROW NEVER DIES scene is there - but however it works, Stax was *quite* happy with the finished product. He felt the end of the film was beautifully cinematic and quite satisfying, despite Vesper's death working in a different manner than in Fleming's novel.

#13 Andrew

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Posted 17 March 2006 - 12:29 AM

despite Vesper's death working in a different manner than in Fleming's novel.


This still makes me quite curious.

#14 Harmsway

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Posted 17 March 2006 - 12:32 AM


despite Vesper's death working in a different manner than in Fleming's novel.

This still makes me quite curious.

It makes me curious too, but Stax said it was the way he would have done it if he had adapted it, so that's really comforting.

#15 Qwerty

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Posted 17 March 2006 - 06:50 AM

I'm thrilled. A perfect location for the Bond films.

#16 Agent Spriggan Ominae

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Posted 17 March 2006 - 08:58 AM


From memory it was all based around the festival of the masks they have there. I'll have to dig out the script from my hard disk.


Just had a quick read and it's a fairly uninspired foot chase which ends in a fight in a medieval armour museum. Not amazing, but it's a nice set-up.


Medieval armour museum? Wasn't it anounced that Lockert(sp?) castle in Prague was going to be a shooting locatation? There was speculation that it would be featured for the torture sequence but what if they ressurected this sequence from TND and plan to use the castle for interior shots.

#17 Kingdom Come

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Posted 17 March 2006 - 09:16 AM

They have been this way in the past. - Clapped out. Even Indiana Jones was this way with not only canal action but down in the sewers as well. Clapped (out) Royale.

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Posted 17 March 2006 - 10:49 AM

Thank goodness we are seeing Bond back in exotic & classy looking locations. The past few 007 films have all looked incredibly dreary due to totally unispired location shoots. Venice and the Bahamas will give Bond a much needed injection of glamour that will hopefully capture the imagination once again.

Edited by Marquis, 17 March 2006 - 10:56 AM.


#19 SecretAgentFan

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Posted 17 March 2006 - 11:05 AM

Ah - Venice! Loved it as location for MR. Having them return to it now will produce another atmosphere and very different effects.

Always hoped they were doing a new third act because - as it is already pointed out here - the third act of the novel really isn

#20 Shrublands

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Posted 17 March 2006 - 11:17 AM

We know from Stax's review of the script that the sequence in Venice pays tribute to the climax of the classic film, The Third Man. One only has to suspect this will involve a chase through the canals and into the massive underground sewer system.


Venice has no sewer system; household waste flows into the canals and is washed out into the ocean twice a day with the tides.

#21 Kingdom Come

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Posted 17 March 2006 - 01:48 PM

In the film world there ARE sewers if they want/need em!!

#22 TaoMike

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Posted 17 March 2006 - 03:33 PM

In the film world there ARE sewers if they want/need em!!


As well as automobile-accessible streets (as in "The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen"). :tup:

I can't say I'm terribly excited about Venice, though; it seems a little cliche by now. But the fact that Chris Corbould described the scene as "his biggest challenge to date" gives me some hope; maybe they've come up with something unique (rather than the expected "boat-chase-through-the-canals").

#23 Mister Asterix

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Posted 17 March 2006 - 03:41 PM

...(rather than the expected "boat-chase-through-the-canals").



From the story:

...and on the banks of the Grand Canal...


Not sure of all of the details so boats may be involved, but that is what I was told.

#24 Shrublands

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Posted 17 March 2006 - 04:22 PM

In the film world there ARE sewers if they want/need em!!


Well they are trying to make this film more realistic. Where would this

Edited by Shrublands, 17 March 2006 - 04:33 PM.


#25 DLibrasnow

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Posted 17 March 2006 - 04:28 PM

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In the film world there ARE sewers if they want/need em!!
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Well they are trying to make this film more realistic. Where would this

#26 Shrublands

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Posted 17 March 2006 - 04:35 PM

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[quote name='Shrublands' post='533617' date='17 March 2006 - 11:22']
[quote name='Kingdom Come' post='533541' date='17 March 2006 - 13:48']
In the film world there ARE sewers if they want/need em!!
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Well they are trying to make this film more realistic. Where would this

#27 Fro

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Posted 17 March 2006 - 05:06 PM

Stax specifically said it was like the Third Man in terms of chase scenes/suspense, not in terms of location.

#28 Monsieur B

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Posted 17 March 2006 - 06:09 PM

Maybe the Venice chase scene is the one involving Bond chasing Le Chiffre who has abducted Vesper after the tense card game and the torture scene will take place in some secret room in the sewers?

Oh wait, wasn't the casino scene to be set in Montenegro? I guess that wouldn't work then. The distance between Montenegro and Venice is quite large.

Edited by Monsieur B, 17 March 2006 - 06:10 PM.


#29 Ourobouros

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Posted 17 March 2006 - 10:47 PM

Fingers crossed they can better the Gondola chase from Moonraker :tup:

Edited by Ourobouros, 17 March 2006 - 10:47 PM.


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Posted 18 March 2006 - 03:51 AM