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[Leon]

As many people seem to be ranting on threads which talk about what gun will Bond be using in Casino Royale, and seemingly ignoring my posts there, I felt I should make a thread for this:

I have a reliable source who tells me that EON Productions ordered a batch of Walther PPK's from the company who supply them with movie guns (blank firers, rubber etc). This was at the end of 2005.

He has confirmed this again to me recently, the Walther PPK WILL feature in the film. Of course what role is not certan, but from the evidence at hand it seems it will be Bond's main weapon.

For those who are new and aren;t sure, here she is...the elegant old lady is back!

http://www.pistoletc...ther_P5_PPK.jpg

[Dunph]

Well, I hope this is true. The P99 was too brash a weapon to be Bond's gun of choice.

[Gobi-1]

I hope so, the PPK is Bond's gun. Although the P99 is cool it's a bit big.

[Andrew]

The PPK has a certain amount of elegance to it that I thought always suited Bond. I'm delighted to hear of it's return.

[stamper]

P99, is that the gun that Bond cannot know is loaded or not (DAD) ? I wonder if Brosnan questioned the inanity of this scene, where the professional goes around with en empty gun, not realising it despite the weight difference (you think he should know his gun), or checking it after a good squeeze.

[The Admiral]

I had the pleasure of firing a PPK in LA last year and it's a great gun.

The model slips my mind, but there is a "mini" P99 that's quite nice.

[Leon]

P99, is that the gun that Bond cannot know is loaded or not (DAD) ? I wonder if Brosnan questioned the inanity of this scene, where the professional goes around with en empty gun, not realising it despite the weight difference (you think he should know his gun), or checking it after a good squeeze.

Yea that is a stupid scene. The P99 holds 16 9mm rounds, that's a considerable amount of weight within a gun which is lightweight already. You'd notice in a second it had been emptied...idiot.

Well it is certainly playing a considerable role in the film, and as far as he knows no P99's have been ordered so...looks certainly like it is the old PPK back in Bond's holster.

[stamper]

I'm glad good old Walter PPK is back. P99... beurk. I liked the way Bond found the "copy" in Wai Ling storage thought, (he was still waiting for Q to give him one, but Wai Lin had several copies already)

Edited by stamper, 25 February 2006 - 10:49 PM.

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

P99, is that the gun that Bond cannot know is loaded or not (DAD) ? I wonder if Brosnan questioned the inanity of this scene, where the professional goes around with en empty gun, not realising it despite the weight difference (you think he should know his gun), or checking it after a good squeeze.

Yea that is a stupid scene. The P99 holds 16 9mm rounds, that's a considerable amount of weight within a gun which is lightweight already. You'd notice in a second it had been emptied...idiot.

Well it is certainly playing a considerable role in the film, and as far as he knows no P99's have been ordered so...looks certainly like it is the old PPK back in Bond's holster.

Actually the P99 was loaded. Miranda removed the firing pin. Now about the PPK returning, .

[Leon]

How do you know that?

Doesn't it click when he tries to fire it?

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

How do you know that?

Doesn't it click when he tries to fire it?

The click is the sound of the hammer coming down. It's stated in the DAD screenplay and novelization. I went back to read it just now and she didn't remove it but she bent it rendering it useless. Bad or no firing pin = no bang.

How do you know that?

Doesn't it click when he tries to fire it?

The click is the sound of the hammer coming down. It's stated in the DAD screenplay and novelization. I went back to read it just now and she didn't remove it but she bent it rendering it useless. Bad or no firing pin = no bang.

Okay, in the novel the click is described as "the sound of a bent firing pin". So yeah she screwed with the P99's firing pin, not remove bullets.

[Qwerty]

Here's hoping.

[Tarl_Cabot]

Great news. Love the pic. It's my new desktop!

I still think there's room for Bond to have two guns;the P99 should still be used on Commando assignments because it's a higher caliber with more capacity.

[zencat]

I would love to see the PPK back. Thanks, Leon.

[Flash1087]

Great news. Love the pic. It's my new desktop!

I still think there's room for Bond to have two guns;the P99 should still be used on Commando assignments because it's a higher caliber with more capacity.

I've always argued that. Something like the Goldeneye PTS needs the P99, whereas the TWINE PTS needs a PPK. Why not just let him use both occasionally? I mean, Benson gave him both in the novels.

[Righty007]

The PPK is a very sexy gun and I hope it returns!

[Bond_Bishop]

Sounds great, I hope it is true.

[The Number]

Yes!!! I love the P99...but that PPK "IS" 007! So...tell me again, how are they screwing this movie up? I see nothing wrong yet.

[Leon]

The click is the sound of the hammer coming down. It's stated in the DAD screenplay and novelization. I went back to read it just now and she didn't remove it but she bent it rendering it useless. Bad or no firing pin = no bang.

Okay, in the novel the click is described as "the sound of a bent firing pin". So yeah she screwed with the P99's firing pin, not remove bullets.

That makes more sense then, thanks for clearing that up ASO

[Mark Hazard @ Transworld Exports]

The Walther PPK was a great gun in its' day but it is well past its' prime. A double o agent in todays day and age would be using something more modern and perhaps with even more stopping power. Don't forget that the .25 cal Beretta was Bond's weapon of choice until M made him switch to the Walther PPK. A P99 isn't a bad choice, but I think they should go with a Pistol designed by Q branch in the John Gardner books- The ASP 9mm. This would be a weapon ballistically hard to trace since it is custom made, perfect for a 00 agent.

[Leon]

While you are correct Hazard, there is a strong element of fantasy to the James Bond world.

Ian Fleming deliberatly made some things up because, for example, they sounded good. The Berns-Martin triple draw holster, great name, fancy holster...but it was only for revolvers on a harness. He didn;t care because it's fiction and the name was good.

The Walther PPK is a Bond classic, and still looks elegant and cool today. I think there is a limit to how far you should take reality with Bond films, they need that veneer of fantasy and elegance beyond reality.

I think the ASP is a pretty ugly looking gun myself. Plus James Bond's signature is Walther, any other gun would subtract a small chunk of that classic Bondness about the films like him using a Glock or modern Beretta or an ugly ASP.

That's my view on it anyway. I love the PPK for 007.

[Rayliottaasbond]

Loved the ppk! But in the case of firearms Bond needs to modernize, because the bad guys aren't going to be nostalgic for his benefit. May I suggest Mr. Bond, one of these...


http://www.impactgun...ore/220029.html

It's a Smith and Wesson, and you can use it in 2006

[krypt]

Nice to see the PPK back.

Back in the lates 90s I expected Bond to go with the "pocket-pistol" Glock 26/27 rather than the hard-to-conceal Walther P99, but I understood (and still do) the nostalgic importance of the Walther brand.

[ComplimentsOfSharky]

Loved the ppk! But in the case of firearms Bond needs to modernize, because the bad guys aren't going to be nostalgic for his benefit. May I suggest Mr. Bond, one of these...


http://www.impactgun...ore/220029.html

It's a Smith and Wesson, and you can use it in 2006

Yes, theoretically you could use in 2006, though I really don't see any reason a secret agent would wish to do so.

[00-FAN008]

I won't really miss the P99 all that much. It was a really awesome-looking piece of firepower, but when it comes to Bond... you know the rest.

[Ourobouros]

I didn't realise guns were so cheap, that Smith & Wesson looks pretty handy too.

[Mark Hazard @ Transworld Exports]

In certain movies, like Live & Let Die, Bond uses a .44 Magnum S&W. I'm not even sure that the real MI6 or CIA have a standard issue handgun anymore. I believe it is the agents' choice of pistol.

[Bryce (003)]

...I'm not even sure that the real MI6 or CIA have a standard issue handgun anymore. I believe it is the agents' choice of pistol.

Any intelligence operative these days (real world) is given a "short list" as I'm told. It consists of about fifteen pistols and, while not knowing of the full list, I do know that the PPK, H&K P7 M13 and ASP (threaded barrel) do appear on it.

If we're going to have martini's, a casino yet no tux or smoking, let's at least add the PPK. Most fire combat close quarters exchanges take place beween 3-5 meters. It's not about what you shoot, it's about HOW you shoot it.

[icecold]

Great news. Love the pic. It's my new desktop!

I still think there's room for Bond to have two guns;the P99 should still be used on Commando assignments because it's a higher caliber with more capacity.

I've always argued that. Something like the Goldeneye PTS needs the P99, whereas the TWINE PTS needs a PPK. Why not just let him use both occasionally? I mean, Benson gave him both in the novels.

Yeah I liked that. And it makes sense, I mean, Bond isn't a policeman, he can get whatever weapons or tools he needs for the mission. But anyway, it's really nice to see the PPK back, if this is true. I never liked the P99 much, I've always wanted him to go back to the PPK or go to something slimmer and more unique like the FN57 (yes, I will be lobbying for that to become Bond's new pistol till the end of time...) lol

[Jerzy Bondov]

Great news that the PPK's making a comeback. The P99 always struck as cumbersome, inelegant and very difficult to hide under a dinner jacket.

The PPK is small, beautifully formed and iconic.

I was watching Downfall on Channel 4, the other night and it reminded me that Hitler used his Walther to commit suicide. Somehow, arming Britain's greatest secret agent with the gun that finished off modern history's most evil villain seems totally appropriate.