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[Loomis]

I think it could be a blend of "grittiness" and some comic relief in a film that seems pretty "serious". For instance, if we keep crosscutting from Bond trying desperately to save his life to an elderly, grumpy and slightly incompetent doctor back in London who's just been rudely awakened from his bed and is stumbling around with a less-than-perfect grasp of the seriousness of the situation. Do it badly and it'll be a mess, of course, but do it well enough and we could be talking one of the most memorable scenes in the history of the series, with viewers scared out of their wits, then laughing nervously, then scared again, then relieved as it looks as though Bond is out of trouble, then back on the edges of their seats as it turns out that, no, something's gone wrong again, then wetting themselves with laughter as the doctor makes some colossal (but undeniably amusing) blunder.... and so on. Could be a real highlight. I trust this rumour.

[Harmsway]

That's a great idea, Loomis. I could see that working really, really well if played right. I've really warmed up to this concept and I'm digging it right now. Not to mention, I like the quip of "That last hand almost killed me."

It strikes me as very INDIANA JONES AND THE TEMPLE OF DOOM-esque. Just seeing a sweaty, exhausted Craig stumble out to the Aston in desperation would make it worth it for me. I wonder if it would replace the "deadly tube" sequence from the novel?

[Dunph]

Do you mean the walking stick gun bit, Harmsway or have I gotten meself all muddled again?

[SecretAgentFan]

I think it could be a blend of "grittiness" and some comic relief in a film that seems pretty "serious". For instance, if we keep crosscutting from Bond trying desperately to save his life to an elderly, grumpy and slightly incompetent doctor back in London who's just been rudely awakened from his bed and is stumbling around with a less-than-perfect grasp of the seriousness of the situation. Do it badly and it'll be a mess, of course, but do it well enough and we could be talking one of the most memorable scenes in the history of the series, with viewers scared out of their wits, then laughing nervously, then scared again, then relieved as it looks as though Bond is out of trouble, then back on the edges of their seats as it turns out that, no, something's gone wrong again, then wetting themselves with laughter as the doctor makes some colossal (but undeniably amusing) blunder.... and so on. Could be a real highlight. I trust this rumour.

Sorry, Loomis, but what you describe would fit in a "Naked Gun"-kinda spoof. Granted, it could be amusing. But it does not belong in a Bond film. Especially not in a serious one. Besides - we all know Bond will survive this. So there

[Harmsway]

[quote name='SecretAgentFan' post='511600' date='2 February 2006 - 01:21']
Sorry, Loomis, but what you describe would fit in a "Naked Gun"-kinda spoof. Granted, it could be amusing. But it does not belong in a Bond film. Especially not in a serious one. Besides - we all know Bond will survive this. So there

[Santa]

Oh please God no! It sounds awful, far too DAD. Let that be a false rumour, please.

[Loomis]

[quote name='Harmsway' post='511601' date='2 February 2006 - 07:29']
[quote name='SecretAgentFan' post='511600' date='2 February 2006 - 01:21']
Sorry, Loomis, but what you describe would fit in a "Naked Gun"-kinda spoof. Granted, it could be amusing. But it does not belong in a Bond film. Especially not in a serious one. Besides - we all know Bond will survive this. So there

[DLibrasnow]

although I suppose the smart money would be on a blend of GOLDENEYE (due to Campbell) and TWINE (due to Purvis and Wade plot elements), hopefully with some fresh bits of "quality" courtesy of Messrs Fleming, Haggis and Craig.

Loomis....don't threaten people like that....I liked parts of GOLDENEYE, but didn't like TWINE.

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

*I write "realistically" because I don't hold out hope that - despite what anyone involved with the production may have said - CR will resemble, say, FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE. Just not going to happen. Hoping for another TLD seems far more sensible (just one reason for this is that Wilson was one of the main creative forces behind TLD, but he wasn't involved with the series at the time of the first few Connerys, at least I don't think he was), although I suppose the smart money would be on a blend of GOLDENEYE (due to Campbell) and TWINE (due to Purvis and Wade plot elements), hopefully with some fresh bits of "quality" courtesy of Messrs Fleming, Haggis and Craig.

I think this film will be alot like FYEO. Look at it, FYEO came out after MR and was a more down to earth and realistic Bond film. The same seems to be happening with CR which is coming on the heels of DAD which was the most over the top film since MR. Also FYEO was IMO the most faitful adaption of the Fleming novels since OHMSS combining both short stories FYEO and Risico but adding some material to flesh out the story and add context for the current era which what I see happaning with CR.

Something else that's giving me a FYEO vibe is the addition of a Medeterranean setting and characters. Demitrius, Solonge, Massus, and the location of Montenegro(which I think Italy and the Cezch republic will double). When I first read about the Massus character(an older Medeterranean undercover british agent who Bond suspects as a double but he is an ally) in Stax's report the first thing that came to mind was of Topol as Colombo(a older Medeterranean smuggler who Bond suspects as the villain but is his biggest ally) in FYEO.

Another thing, when I first heard about this African connection and Villains is CR I thought of the first Bourne film. Although I didn't pay attention to the whole film I remember part of the plot involving an African Dipolomat,Warlord or Rebel or something like that.

Well if CR is anything like FYEO I think we are on the right track.

[stamper]

He did let slip a little snippet about the use of DB5 in the movie, though. Apparently it's not Bond's at all, although he does drive it briefly to cause a distraction.

Yeah, I read about that in the other thread. That's a clever way of slipping it in - and the idea of crashing somebody else's DB5 to create a distraction sounds wonderfully down-to-earth but cool at the same time.

Here's another spoiler :

At one point, Bond's want to go back home, but it's so cold out there, with snow & al, the keys to his Aston Martin cannot fit because of ice covering the car.

Bond decides to take a pee on the door, to make the ice melt. As he relieves himself, Le Chiffre comes to him and says :

"- Erm, I'm sorry to disturb old chap, but you're peeing on my car".

Bond turns his head, to see his own Aston Martin is actually parked behind him, explaining why the keys would not fit in the door.

[marktmurphy]

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[Agent 76]

He did let slip a little snippet about the use of DB5 in the movie, though. Apparently it's not Bond's at all, although he does drive it briefly to cause a distraction.

Yeah, I read about that in the other thread. That's a clever way of slipping it in - and the idea of crashing somebody else's DB5 to create a distraction sounds wonderfully down-to-earth but cool at the same time.

Here's another spoiler :

At one point, Bond's want to go back home, but it's so cold out there, with snow & al, the keys to his Aston Martin cannot fit because of ice covering the car.

Bond decides to take a pee on the door, to make the ice melt. As he relieves himself, Le Chiffre comes to him and says :

"- Erm, I'm sorry to disturb old chap, but you're peeing on my car".

Bond turns his head, to see his own Aston Martin is actually parked behind him, explaining why the keys would not fit in the door.

[SecretAgent007]

You can leave the table at a poker game and come back. The dealers will take chips out of your stack for the ante and blinds. It's not uncommon. Sometimes even the famous poker players show up late after an event such as the World Series of Poker has already started. Last year a young guy at the final table showed up about 2 hours late.

This whole idea of the diagnostics port in his arm is a little out there, even for Bond. I really hope this is not true.

[tdalton]

This whole idea of the diagnostics port in his arm is a little out there, even for Bond. I really hope this is not true.

I hope that it's not true as well. Bond has pushed the envelope in science fiction before, but I think that this might be going a bit too far with the sci-fi elements.

[triviachamp]

I hope that it's not true as well. Bond has pushed the envelope in science fiction before, but I think that this might be going a bit too far with the sci-fi elements.

Moonraker anyone?

[tdalton]

I hope that it's not true as well. Bond has pushed the envelope in science fiction before, but I think that this might be going a bit too far with the sci-fi elements.

Moonraker anyone?

I think it's a bit different with Moonraker because I don't think that EON even tried to hide the fact that they weren't making a serious film with that one. MR was just a fun action film that bordered on being a science fiction film. But, that was the style that EON was going for with that film, and I don't think that it surprised anyone (especially with the success of Star Wars).

With Casino Royale, though, EON is supposedly trying to make a genuinely serious film, and I think something like what is being discussed in this thread would be out of place in this type of film.

[Andrew]

I don't have much of a problem with the diagnostics gadget because it doesn't seem from what we've heard to be a cheap way to skirt around a plot hole, like what some gadgets have become.

It sounds pretty interesting to me.

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

OMG! In the scritp review they mention a bit where Bond has a tracer implanted in the back of his wrist. Could this be the device mentioned in the scoop. There may be more this.

[marktmurphy]

OMG! In the scritp review they mention a bit where Bond has a tracer implanted in the back of his wrist. Could this be the device mentioned in the scoop. There may be more this.

Which script review is this? The old IGN one?

EDIT: Oh; I see

[Harmsway]

Well, I'm not so sure about Marktmurphy's source all of a sudden, because the script review clearly stated that the DB5 is won by Bond in a card game (and the source said it wasn't Bond's). Hmm.

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

Well, I'm not so sure about Marktmurphy's source all of a sudden, because the script review clearly stated that the DB5 is won by Bond in a card game (and the source said it wasn't Bond's). Hmm.

Key words here "The aston Martin is won by Bond" hence the source is right in that it isn't Bond's car. It's probaly Dimitrios. So it's techinically not Bons car, he just happened to win it. Damn, I sound like a fanboy, got to lay off the smoke.

[Harmsway]

Well, I'm not so sure about Marktmurphy's source all of a sudden, because the script review clearly stated that the DB5 is won by Bond in a card game (and the source said it wasn't Bond's). Hmm.

Key words here "The aston Martin is won by Bond" hence the source is right in that it isn't Bond's car. It's probaly Dimitrios. So it's techinically not Bons car, he just happened to win it. Damn, I sound like a fanboy, got to lay off the smoke.

I guess that's true. I mean, Marktmurphy's source's rumor certainly lines up with the "tracer" bit.

[marktmurphy]

Well, I'm not so sure about Marktmurphy's source all of a sudden, because the script review clearly stated that the DB5 is won by Bond in a card game (and the source said it wasn't Bond's). Hmm.

True- it does say he takes it home rather than smashes it in the car park. I suppose it may mean Bond wins the new DBS, but I'm not sure that's likely. Perhaps he was a bit off on this one (although bear in mind this script is dated December and I heard from someone working on it in the new year- it is possible that they changed it slightly), but I hope Bond doesn't keep it. It's just a bit too girly for Craig, I think.
And yeah- the implant is looking a bit more believable now, isn't it?

[Harmsway]

We know Bond doesn't win the DBS, because the DBS has gadgetry of some sort (confirmed by the makers of the collectible replica model of the DBS).

I think the DB5 is the one Craig wins, as with recent rumors that stated he did in fact win it in a card came. That's fine. The DB5 is iconic Bond car material, and I can see Craig in it just fine.

[JimmyBond]

I'm not as resistant to this idea as some of you seem to be. Plus I love the supposed line "That last had nearly killed me" Sounds like classic Bond to me

[marktmurphy]

I'm pretty convinced. Plus, now we know it's a tracker, we know why bad guys might want to cut Bond's hand open during the torture sequence.

[Harmsway]

I'm not as resistant to this idea as some of you seem to be. Plus I love the supposed line "That last had nearly killed me" Sounds like classic Bond to me

I love the quip. It's actually decently clever, and I can see Craig delivering it beautifully.