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[Gabe Vieira]

I think it has "pre-credits sequence" stamped all over it

Still, I wouldn't have thought that the film kicked off in the Bahamas - always assumed it to be the location of the final third or so, with Bond and Vesper on holiday there after Le Chiffre is killed. Oh, well. We'll see what happens, of course.

I kinda hoped that the bulk of Casino Royale would have taken place in the Bahamas. I was thinking that Italy would be used for the PTS with most of the beginning set in Prauge, and then have the rest of the film in the Bahamas.

So now it looks like the PTS might be set in Madagascar, most likely the capital city of Antananarivo. We know that the Rebuplic of Montenegro will be featured, and I bet you that Prague will be doubling for it. Now just one question: Italy?

[mario007]

Hi fellow bond fans (or is that fanatics )

I am really glad if this sequence turns out to be the pre-credits. It will be perfect if they reveal DC as the new bond at the end of the sequence, without really showing his face during the chase.I think this is probably what Campbell has in mind.

BTW, DC will kick the naysayers in the nuts come November 2006! I think Brosnan was just OK as bond. It's a great time to be a bond fan!!!!

Mario out!

[zencat]

But will Casino Royale have a PTS?

Until we hear these classic elements will be retained, I'm leaving my mind open to the possibility that they may be dropped. Gunbarrel, Per Title Sequence, Title Sequence... I think they will seek to establish the fresh start idea by jettisoning one of these major elements right at the top of the film...if not all.

[Gobi-1]

I've been wanting a chase on foot for some time now. So this is great news.

[DanMan]

Nice to see there coming up with some inventive action scenes and not another shootout or vehicle chase.

[Harmsway]

But will Casino Royale have a PTS?

Until we hear these classic elements will be retained, I'm leaving my mind open to the possibility that they may be dropped. Gunbarrel, Per Title Sequence, Title Sequence... I think they will seek to establish the fresh start idea by jettisoning one of these major elements right at the top of the film...if not all.

That'd tick me off if they did, but I wouldn't be surprised if that happened.

[DanMan]

I really couldn't care about a PTS but they need to keep the gunbarrel. Nothing gets me going in the beginning of a movie like that does.

[Gobi-1]

But will Casino Royale have a PTS?

Until we hear these classic elements will be retained, I'm leaving my mind open to the possibility that they may be dropped. Gunbarrel, Per Title Sequence, Title Sequence... I think they will seek to establish the fresh start idea by jettisoning one of these major elements right at the top of the film...if not all.

That would be a MAJOR mistake. A Bond film without the Bond trademarks is not a Bond film at all. Just call it Mission Impossible 4 because that's what it will be. These elements are what separate Bond from the average films. To remove them would be quite damaging to establishing Craig as Bond because quite frankly he'll need everyone of those elements to back him up.

[zencat]

I really couldn't care about a PTS but they need to keep the gunbarrel. Nothing gets me going in the beginning of a movie like that does.

You know, that's how I feel. If there must be a change, kill the PTS and the title sequence, but leave the gunbarrel. Shoot us into the movie and get on with it. Not that I want that. I like my Bond traditions (although the recent PTS' have been overlong and not very strong), but if we must...

[DanMan]

If anything, I'd actually prefer to jump right into an explosive, exciting title sequence a la DN.

[Loomis]

But will Casino Royale have a PTS?

You've asked this before, which leads me to suspect that you may have heard some vespers, er, whispers.

But, yes, I more than follow your reasoning. And I kind of share it, but, still, I don't think they'll do away with the PTS, etc. CASINO ROYALE will be radical enough; heck, Craig alone is enough of a challenge to audiences (and this is coming from a Craig supporter).

Who knows, though?

[Gobi-1]

I'd rather they end the series then do away with the gunbarrel, pre-title sequence and the credits. There's some things that just shouldn't be changed.

[zencat]

But will Casino Royale have a PTS?

You've asked this before, which leads me to suspect that you may have heard some vespers, er, whispers.

Nah, I haven't heard anything, I'm just trying to think like Eon; if we really want a Bond begins, we really want to separate this film from the others in the series, what should we do? Seems obvious to jettison one of these elements. Also it will save expense -- no title sequence, no song. Gunbarrel and then we get on with it. I like this.

[marktmurphy]

You know, that's how I feel. If there must be a change, kill the PTS and the title sequence, but leave the gunbarrel. Shoot us into the movie and get on with it. Not that I want that. I like my Bond traditions (although the recent PTS' have been overlong and not very strong), but if we must...

There's been quite a fun thread talking about the gunbarrel on AJB. Many have thought it'd be fun to actually set it up and explain in this, the first, Bond movie. Perhaps even having it right at the end to signal that Bond has actually become Bond now.
Have a read; some of it's quite fun!
http://www.ajb007.co...php?topic=24603

[Gobi-1]

After my last post I was thinking about how the gunbarrel could work if placed at the end of the film but I think it would clash with the downbeat ending of CR. The film should end with Bond's line "The bitch is dead." and roll the credits. The gunbarrel is an exiting entrance, not an exit.

In my my mind I see the last shot of the movie like this. Bond drives his Aston Martin DB5 up to a corner phone booth. He gets out and steps into the booth shutting the door. We here him connected to MI6 and he delivers the line. Cue music as main credits roll on the right side of the screen (like OHMSS). "James Bond Will Return in ( insert unused Fleming title )" appears then screen fades to black as the rest of the credits roll. I envision this scene as one single crane shot with the camera possibly pulling back after the last line.

Edited by Gobi-1, 29 January 2006 - 08:47 PM.

[Stratus]

But will Casino Royale have a PTS?

You've asked this before, which leads me to suspect that you may have heard some vespers, er, whispers.

Nah, I haven't heard anything, I'm just trying to think like Eon; if we really want a Bond begins, we really want to separate this film from the others in the series, what should we do? Seems obvious to jettison one of these elements. Also it will save expense -- no title sequence, no song. Gunbarrel and then we get on with it. I like this.

AND they save time. They did this Batman Begins as well. No long pre-title. A Bat symbol being formed by several bats, "Directed by Christopher Nolan". BAM movie starts. Short and sweet.

[marktmurphy]

After my last post I was thinking about how the gunbarrel could work if placed at the end of the film but I think it would clash with the downbeat ending of CR. The film should end with Bond's line "The bitch is dead." and roll the credits. The gunbarrel is an exiting entrance, not an exit.

Maybe- but even OHMSS ended with a massive blaring-trumpets version of the Bond theme!
Plus, if we're talking about Bond Begins, it makes sense to show us his trademark after he's earnt it. But equally I quite the idea of it blending into the beginning of the film more: imagine the usual gunbarrel but instead of simply vanishing the camera tracks out of the gunbarrel; crashing toward Bond who still stands where he shot the assailant. As the camera tracks around Bond so that we see the dead body of the man he has killed the white surrealistic background fades away and finally we learn exactly why and where Bond kills this mysterious assassin. Could be nicely suprising and reinforce the whole 'first Bond movie' style.

[Loomis]

Gunbarrel at the end? I quite like that idea. But would that mean leaving the James Bond Theme until the end as well?

To quote zen, "if we really want a Bond begins, we really want to separate this film from the others in the series", here's how I'd do it:

Columbia Pictures logo, Sony logo, or whatever the heck it is nowadays.

Fade to black (audience anticipates gunbarrel).

We're still on a black screen (audience starts to get a bit restless, wondering whether the projector's broken down or something).

CRAIG'S VOICE (offscreen, voice over): The name's Bond, James Bond.

Fade in on Bond in closeup, smiling seductively at someone.

BOND: I admire your work. Perhaps you could give me a private viewing. (Or cheesy chatup dialogue to that effect.) We cut to:

An attractive woman, also in closeup. It's clear she's being chatted up by Bond. It's clear she's enjoying it, too. And then we see from her eyes that something's wrong. She tries to peer behind Bond at something. Cut to:

Bond in closeup. He notices the woman is alarmed by something. What's behind him? He turns to look. Camera pulls back.

Another woman has arrived on the scene, and she seems terribly angry. Cut to:

Bond and his girlfriend leaving the bar/restaurant/art gallery/wherever. Bond is unconvincingly apologising for hitting on the other woman. His girlfriend, however, is exasperated by his inability to stop his eye from roving, and they have an angry fight, possibly in a rainy alley or somewhere suitably melodramatic. Bond tries to calm her down at first, but quickly grows impatient and finally enraged. He humiliatingly dumps her on the spot and goes off on his own to get drunk. (Obviously, setting up Bond's cavalier treatment of women sets up the character-changing payoff he gets with Vesper.) We cut to:

Bond in a bar, ordering a scotch or something. He's downing it when his mobile rings or his beeper beeps.

It's his Navy/SAS/whatever team. An urgent crisis. Bond is needed immediately on the other side of town.

BOND: I'll be right there, sir. (To himself) Good grief. (To the barman) Another, quick.

Bond gulps down his drink and then his new one, and leaves.

Bond turns up at the crisis. Some action. Bond does something extremely heroic and saves the day in truly spectacular style. We find out later that this act of massive bravery brings him to the attention of MI6. We cut to:

Opening credits sequence, complete with theme song (probably by a Sony artist) - hey, you gotta have some of the old trademarks, and, besides, I'd hate to think of CR with just David Arnold's music. We cut to:

The rest of the film, with the gunbarrel at the end and the James Bond Theme playing over the closing credits.

[Gobi-1]

After my last post I was thinking about how the gunbarrel could work if placed at the end of the film but I think it would clash with the downbeat ending of CR. The film should end with Bond's line "The bitch is dead." and roll the credits. The gunbarrel is an exiting entrance, not an exit.

Maybe- but even OHMSS ended with a massive blaring-trumpets version of the Bond theme!

I think the Bond theme at the end of OHMSS was a mistake. "We Have All the Time In The World" should have been used instead.

[Roebuck]

Is this the famous "foot chase" that I've always heard Purvis & Wade have tried to get into a Bond film? Sounds like it. Cool. 

I like to think of it as the rooftop pursuit we were cheated out of in OHMSS. Either way, its good to have some info about the type of action sequences we can expect.

[K1Bond007]

Sounds and looks cool (the video was sweet). All I could think about, however, was Prince of Persia. If you've played those, it's like that - moreso Warrior Within with the freakin Dahaka chasing you.

[Qwerty]

But will Casino Royale have a PTS?

Until we hear these classic elements will be retained, I'm leaving my mind open to the possibility that they may be dropped. Gunbarrel, Per Title Sequence, Title Sequence... I think they will seek to establish the fresh start idea by jettisoning one of these major elements right at the top of the film...if not all.

I'm 50/50 still on thinking if they'll indeed drop all of those famous elements or not. But whatever the case turns out to be, this (news story) sounds very cool. I think Casino Royale is shaping up nicely so far.

[neversaynever]

I'm hoping it will still have a PTS, but a shorter, more succinct, less-explosive PTS. Campbell has promised this film will feature only one explosion (where did I read that?) and I am assuming that it won't be before the opening credits! The PTSs have been getting too long and too complex (TWINE, anyone?). It is time to bring them back to basics.

[K1Bond007]

But will Casino Royale have a PTS?

You've asked this before, which leads me to suspect that you may have heard some vespers, er, whispers.

Nah, I haven't heard anything, I'm just trying to think like Eon; if we really want a Bond begins, we really want to separate this film from the others in the series, what should we do? Seems obvious to jettison one of these elements. Also it will save expense -- no title sequence, no song. Gunbarrel and then we get on with it. I like this.

Dumbest idea ever. Seriously. This would hurt Bond in more ways than you think. I know some of you want some radical departure and a fresh start, but this isn't it. This would literally destroy Bond's casual viewers. No gun barrel? No pre-title? No song? This isn't Bond and people would skip. Trust me. People freaked out when a CG bullet came through the screen during the gun barrel. How do you think the world's fans of Bond would react to this? Haha.. not good at all. Seriously. Dumbest idea ever.

[Yellow Pinky]

I can't remember where I read this (maybe in a David Arnold interview), and someone please correct me if I'm mistaken, but isn't already known that Daniel Kleinman is returning to create the titles? If so, I think that pretty much tells us that the classic Bond elements will still be in place. I honestly think there's no way that given the unknown of the public's reaction to Daniel Craig and the whole Bond Begins approach that they would seriously consider trading in the classic trappings that will clearly establish Craig in the public eye as Bond: the gunbarrel, the pre-title sequence, and the title graphics over a song by a popular artist.

[Harmsway]

I can't remember where I read this (maybe in a David Arnold interview), and someone please correct me if I'm mistaken, but isn't already known that Daniel Kleinman is returning to create the titles?  If so, I think that pretty much tells us that the classic Bond elements will still be in place.  I honestly think there's no way that given the unknown of the public's reaction to Daniel Craig and the whole Bond Begins approach that they would seriously consider trading in the classic trappings that will clearly establish Craig in the public eye as Bond: the gunbarrel, the pre-title sequence, and the title graphics over a song by a popular artist.

I believe Danny is returning.

[dinovelvet]

Well, delon64 said London, not the Bahamas, and London seems a more logical location. Also, I'd like them to introduce the new Bond on his home turf, for only the third time in the series. I think it has "pre-credits sequence" stamped all over it, with the chase being the thing that alerts MI6 to this fellow James Bond of the Navy/SAS/whatever. Ultra-daft, I know, but perhaps it could go something like this:

Someone breaks free from the custody of the Navy/SAS/whatever and evidently has a talent for this parkour stuff or whatever it's called, judging by his Spidey-style ability to bounce around on rooftops. "He's getting away!" someone wails. We zoom in on the good guys, and particular a short, blonde member of their team who looks about 103. "He hasn't got away yet!" this chap replies, and sets off in hot pursuit, recapturing the baddie after much mindblowingly risky jumping around that anyone else would be too scared to even attempt.

In any case, it looks as though this'll be one of the major action sequences in CASINO ROYALE.

How about a TLD style pre-credits sequence, it starts with the Parkour guy running across, through, along buildings etc, and we see four or five Navy/SAS type operatives chasing him, all of them fall or can't get past an obstacle and can't catch this guy...except one of them who stays the course. At the end both the Parkour guy followed by our man cross a line where we see officials standing around (perhaps Tanner and Robinson), observing the whole thing on monitors. One of them is M. She comes over to the finisher and says "That was a very impressive run, nobody else has been able to catch him before. Our service could use a man like you; what's your name?"

"Bond. James Bond."

CUE TITLE CREDITS

[Andrew]

The "other" Bond site is claiming that this scene is going to similar to the cut rooftop chase from On Her Majesty’s Secret Service and is indeed the PTS. Take that as you will...

[marktmurphy]

This would literally destroy Bond's casual viewers. No gun barrel? No pre-title? No song? This isn't Bond and people would skip. Trust me. People freaked out when a CG bullet came through the screen during the gun barrel. How do you think the world's fans of Bond would react to this? Haha.. not good at all. Seriously. Dumbest idea ever.

That's a little OTT. It doesn't really matter. Most people don't realise Never Say Never Again isn't what we'd call a 'proper' Bond film and that had none of those things. Seriously; you could lose them and no-one would care that much. But I suspect they will keep them just because they're quite nice to have around. But hopefully they give them a good shaking up- no need to keep pretending we're in the sixties anymore guys; this is New Bond.

[Agent 76]

Well, delon64 said London, not the Bahamas, and London seems a more logical location. Also, I'd like them to introduce the new Bond on his home turf, for only the third time in the series. I think it has "pre-credits sequence" stamped all over it, with the chase being the thing that alerts MI6 to this fellow James Bond of the Navy/SAS/whatever. Ultra-daft, I know, but perhaps it could go something like this:

Someone breaks free from the custody of the Navy/SAS/whatever and evidently has a talent for this parkour stuff or whatever it's called, judging by his Spidey-style ability to bounce around on rooftops. "He's getting away!" someone wails. We zoom in on the good guys, and particular a short, blonde member of their team who looks about 103. "He hasn't got away yet!" this chap replies, and sets off in hot pursuit, recapturing the baddie after much mindblowingly risky jumping around that anyone else would be too scared to even attempt.

In any case, it looks as though this'll be one of the major action sequences in CASINO ROYALE.

How about a TLD style pre-credits sequence, it starts with the Parkour guy running across, through, along buildings etc, and we see four or five Navy/SAS type operatives chasing him, all of them fall or can't get past an obstacle and can't catch this guy...except one of them who stays the course. At the end both the Parkour guy followed by our man cross a line where we see officials standing around (perhaps Tanner and Robinson), observing the whole thing on monitors. One of them is M. She comes over to the finisher and says "That was a very impressive run, nobody else has been able to catch him before. Our service could use a man like you; what's your name?"

"Bond. James Bond."

CUE TITLE CREDITS

I very much like your idea. I pictured it on my mind, and had a pleasant tought.
nice work!