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[License To Kill]

He can't act.  He totally ruined Fantastic Four (which needed all the help it could get).  If he'd pulled off Dr. Doom I'd be singing a different tune, but he's a one note actor.  Nip/Tuck and Charmed were the same role (the way he played it).  Not dynamic enough for Bond.

He can't act? Look at the cast he had in Fantastic Four? It's not like he had help! And on Nip/Tuck? I have watched that show since the beginning and the depth of his character and interaction with other characters, in particular, Julia, makes his portrayal of Dr. Christian Troy believable and realistic. So, there is no doubt McMahon can act.

[Loomis]

The word "greatly" might have been an overstatement. If I had to guess who might have a shot at being Bond #7 on this list, it would be Cavill who was, by all accounts, the runner-up.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Cavill is too young to follow Craig (unless they were going to do another BOND BEGINS first mission reboot ), at least in the foreseeable future. He may or may not be a realistic Bond contender again about 15 years from now, but not before.

(Dalton, of course, was offered OHMSS at 19 or something like that, so the story goes. I see Cavill as a possible Bond 8 or Bond 9. But Bond 7 - no way.)

[Mister Asterix]

Neither would I agree that McMahon "has a name to make him a safer choice should Craig slip". I realise that he's far from an unknown, and I'm sure he has many fans thanks to his TV work, but what's he done on the big screen?

His big screen presence is about to get a big boost. While Craig is making Casino Royale, he'll be making Premonition, a thriller co-starring Sandra Bullock.

This is like when I was told that after King Arthur, Clive Owen would be an A-List star.

He can't act.  He totally ruined Fantastic Four (which needed all the help it could get).  If he'd pulled off Dr. Doom I'd be singing a different tune, but he's a one note actor.  Nip/Tuck and Charmed were the same role (the way he played it).  Not dynamic enough for Bond.

He can't act? Look at the cast he had in Fantastic Four? It's not like he had help! And on Nip/Tuck? I have watched that show since the beginning and the depth of his character and interaction with other characters, in particular, Julia, makes his portrayal of Dr. Christian Troy believable and realistic. So, there is no doubt McMahon can act.

[mra]There is doubt from me. And, yes, I

[Loomis]

Neither would I agree that McMahon "has a name to make him a safer choice should Craig slip". I realise that he's far from an unknown, and I'm sure he has many fans thanks to his TV work, but what's he done on the big screen?

His big screen presence is about to get a big boost. While Craig is making Casino Royale, he'll be making Premonition, a thriller co-starring Sandra Bullock.

This is like when I was told that after King Arthur, Clive Owen would be an A-List star.

But he did become an A-list star after KING ARTHUR.

Not because of KING ARTHUR, though.

[License To Kill]

[quote name='Mister Asterix' date='9 January 2006 - 16:33'][quote name='Onlooker' date='9 January 2006 - 14:25'][quote]Neither would I agree that McMahon "has a name to make him a safer choice should Craig slip". I realise that he's far from an unknown, and I'm sure he has many fans thanks to his TV work, but what's he done on the big screen? [/quote]
His big screen presence is about to get a big boost. While Craig is making Casino Royale, he'll be making Premonition, a thriller co-starring Sandra Bullock.

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This is like when I was told that after King Arthur, Clive Owen would be an A-List star.

[quote name='License To Kill' date='9 January 2006 - 14:31'][quote name='Diabolik' date='9 January 2006 - 11:46']He can't act.  He totally ruined Fantastic Four (which needed all the help it could get).  If he'd pulled off Dr. Doom I'd be singing a different tune, but he's a one note actor.  Nip/Tuck and Charmed were the same role (the way he played it).  Not dynamic enough for Bond.

[/quote]

He can't act? Look at the cast he had in Fantastic Four? It's not like he had help! And on Nip/Tuck? I have watched that show since the beginning and the depth of his character and interaction with other characters, in particular, Julia, makes his portrayal of Dr. Christian Troy believable and realistic. So, there is no doubt McMahon can act.

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[mra]There is doubt from me. And, yes, I

[Leon]

I don't see the attraction to these boring teenage girl pin-ups for 007. His acting doesn't have the depth, style or skill to make a good James Bond, only skim across the surface of the character using his pretty face to get by. No thank you.

[Publius]

These forums have been increasingly growing with moronic posts from new users, mainly the reason I haven't been posting much is because the intelligence of posters has diminished greatly.

For all of the posters who claim McMahon is a "pretty boy", we seem to have lived the past 10 years with a "pretty boy" as Bond. And pretty boy? Hell, there was nothing more "pretty boy" than Sean Connery. Yes, he had a hard-edged attitude about him, but when he was thriving as Bond in the 60's, there was no one as "metro" as Sir Sean.

Yeah, McMahon may be a bad choice, but many of these new users need to check their facts and make sound and substantiated posts before getting into arguments and swearing matches with fellow posters.

Being a "pretty boy" isn't what's bad. It's being a pretty boy and little more. After all, one could make the case that most or even all of the Bonds were pretty boys.

You may disagree, but at least Brosnan is a better actor with a wit and sense of humor that worked for 007, and whose attitude and presence seems to have a more natural fit with the role. He may not have been my cup of tea, but he had strengths that McMahon does not appear to have. In other words, my pre-Bond opinion of him is relatively low, even though he could possibly (however skeptical I am of its likelihood) have it in him to surprise me.

And pretty boy or not, Connery and Lazenby evoked a machismo and coolness that McMahon never has, as far as I know, Moore had a charm that nobody could duplicate, let alone McMahon, and Dalton was simply ruthless and dark, traits which McMahon certainly lacks.

Edited by Publius, 09 January 2006 - 09:07 PM.

[Bondesque]

Although I am more impressed with Julian McMahon now after seeing a full season of Nip/Tuck, he would have to wear a good hair piece in order to be Bond.

I truly hope that Craig blows everyone away and will revitalize the series.

My choice for Bond #7 is Gerard Butler over McMahon.

[Diabolik]

[quote name='spynovelfan' date='9 January 2006 - 09:49'][quote name='Diabolik' date='9 January 2006 - 15:46']McMahon as Bond?

[limeyfreak]

Personally I find Julian McMahon an atrocious actor. He seems like an ex-model who thinks by posing and pouting that makes him look like a credible actor. Thank god he didn't get it - being such an utterly generic performer might have encouraged EON to make ANOTHER generic Bond film.
The simple fact is, that Daniel Craig is in a totally different class.He is someone with REAL character, REAL talent and an amazing on screen prescence. For the first time in years EON have have the guts to do the right thing. Shake it up, bring in a true actor, one who has the wholehearted support of Sean Connery and one who can truly re-define the character.
My friends, consider yourselves VERY LUCKY that he has been chosen. I believe he will prove to be the finest Bond yet.
If it goes back to being predictable, safe, effects laden, stodgily written tosh, then I and many other Ian Fleming fans will stay away in droves. Thankyou EON ! Wow, I never thought I would say that !

[Mister Asterix]

Personally I find Julian McMahon an atrocious actor. He seems like an ex-model who thinks by posing and pouting that makes him look like a credible actor. Thank god he didn't get it - being such an utterly generic performer might have encouraged EON to make ANOTHER generic Bond film.
The simple fact is, that Daniel Craig is in a totally different class.He is someone with REAL character, REAL talent and an amazing on screen prescence. For the first time in years EON have have the guts to do the right thing. Shake it up, bring in a true actor, one who has the wholehearted support of Sean Connery and one who can truly re-define the character.
My friends, consider yourselves VERY LUCKY that he has been chosen. I believe he will prove to be the finest Bond yet.
If it goes back to being predictable, safe, effects laden, stodgily written tosh, then I and many other Ian Fleming fans will stay away in droves. Thankyou EON ! Wow, I never thought I would say that !

[mra]Welcome to CBn, limeyfreak.

And while I wouldn

[spynovelfan]

Yeah, Lazenby ws an Aussie, but that's at least closer than a Yank.

But McMahon is Australian.

[License To Kill]

Good point, Mr. *. Thats the thing, I also enjoy the boldness of the producers to be heading in this direction. It will either be the greatest move ever, see marginal success or the end of the franchise. That's my quick two cents before I jet off to the dentist!

[WC]

Good point, Mr. *. Thats the thing, I also enjoy the boldness of the producers to be heading in this direction. It will either be the greatest move ever, see marginal success or the end of the franchise. That's my quick two cents before I jet off to the dentist!

Hey, you've just about summarised all the various possibile choices anyway, so that's not saying anyhing new.

[Bond Bombshell]

Acting is subjective of course, but all those posters trashing McMahon's acting skills need to remember his Golden Globe nomination for Nip/Tuck. At least someone thinks he can act! McMahon didn't win, but Nip/Tuck did, which had a lot to do with McMahon - by far the most popular character on the show.

As for those complaining about "pretty boy" Bonds, the male model type Bond has served the movie series well up until this point. Craig is the only one I can't imagine modelling cardigans in the windows of Marks and Spencer. Some might think this is a good thing, but may have to think again if the general public reject the new look. I'm always surprised by those who think that the public can be won over by good acting alone. People are more shallow than that.

David Walliams as Bond? I don't think he has the right look at all. I remember his role in Attachments and he can act, but IMO looks strangely feline and even vaguely oriental. My hope for Bond 7 is still Richard Armitage.

[Doctor No]

Acting is subjective of course, but all those posters trashing McMahon's acting skills need to remember his Golden Globe nomination for Nip/Tuck. At least someone thinks he can act! McMahon didn't win, but Nip/Tuck did, which had a lot to do with McMahon - by far the most popular character on the show.

Do you actually pay attention to any of those award shows?

Edited by Doctor No, 10 January 2006 - 04:23 AM.

[TheREAL008]

Julian was actually good in Fantastic Four so I could see him a s Bond, but as a wild card pick.

Had he been choses I'd still be slightly disappointed then I would be accepting.

Something I can never do with Daniel; Craig. Sorry, but even the promo shot doesn't sell it.

Edited by TheREAL008, 10 January 2006 - 04:28 AM.

[Stratus]

Julian McMahon isn't Bond for a very well known reason. He did a photo shoot for Angeleno magazine touting himself as 007 (http://cgi.ebay.com/...bayphotohosting) and it backfired completely. He ended up firing his reps over it. From the moment that magazine spread and interview appeared, you will notice that McMahon was no longer mentioned as a serious Bond contender.

Did the magazine tout or did the magazine quote him?

The cover says 'Julian McMahon - meet the next James Bond'. If he didn't know they were going to print that, he's pretty incompetent. Either way, though, I agree with Stax: that stunt looks like it was one step too far for his Bond campaign.

Incidentally, if he does become Bond 7, that magazine will be worth a fair bit of money, I'd have thought.

Yes I read the title, but I was wondering if he said he was the next Bond (at least quoted) causing the "meet the next James Bond" heading. Its a moot point, but I am just curious as hell.

[Peter Franks]

Personally I find Julian McMahon an atrocious actor. He seems like an ex-model who thinks by posing and pouting that makes him look like a credible actor. Thank god he didn't get it - being such an utterly generic performer might have encouraged EON to make ANOTHER generic Bond film.
The simple fact is, that Daniel Craig is in a totally different class.

Daniel Craig can't get rid of his stupid pout. Yeah still McMahon.

[Onlooker]

Would you gentlemen care for a woman's point of view? No, I didn't write this, it was posted today on the Nip/Tuck thread at Televisionwithoutpity.com.

In regards to the possibility of Bruno being Christian discussion. Never! They scored a casting coup with Julian and Dylan. That chemistry... whoah. ITA with everything that's been said on the last two pages, these boys just fit together, one of the best buddy/buddy relationships on tv, probably the best.

In regards to the hot!factor. I shall always be a Julian girl. He brought me to the show from Charmed. (Originally I watched because of him but after the pilot I watched due to the sheer awesome... well you all know, damn good show - bar most of season 3) He does the bad boy with the heart of gold to a tee. Sophisticated, sexy, snarky & vulnerable. The eyes, the smile *sigh* he's perfect. But then that's not to say I particularly dislike Dylan/Sean either, it's just type. Both guys like their characters are yin & yang to each other. I suppose they capture each half of the audience, and really it's down to casting again. Just perfectly cast.

Just to mention, there is nothing at all unusual in this point of view. The Bruno referred to is Bruno Campos, who was a regular on the show last year and had been a candidate for the role of Christian (which Julian got).

Edited by Onlooker, 10 January 2006 - 08:14 AM.

[Skudor]

I guess it's entirely possible that JMcM gets the gig after DC - somehow I don't see DC as a long running Bond - probably 2 movies/ max 3.

[JameswpBond]

Daniel Craig will do three and then they will put the franchise on hold until I reach thirty.

[Diabolik]

[quote name='License To Kill' date='9 January 2006 - 14:31'][quote name='Diabolik' date='9 January 2006 - 11:46']He can't act.

[Leon]

Actually I've always thought Brosnan's Bond was rather bland and boring. Just a general composite of other actors unique sides of the complex character with a very 2 dimensional result. I liked Goldeneye but the others just got worse and worse IMO.

This guy would be even worse than Brosnan at acting the part too and also without the slightly more interesting looks Brosnan had which always pleased the girlies.

[fatima]

I wonder if the point of this thread is to make people feel better about Craig as Bond, and it's working on me at least!!

I'll take 'Ugly Bond' over 'Smarmy Bond' any day

I now remember why I was such a firm supporter of Craig last year, mainly because most of the other candidates were so awful. Now with a couple of months reflection I feel they could have done better than Daniel Craig, but I suppose it could have been a hell of a lot worse.

Julian MacMahon

[Stratus]

Actually I've always thought Brosnan's Bond was rather bland and boring. Just a general composite of other actors unique sides of the complex character with a very 2 dimensional result. I liked Goldeneye but the others just got worse and worse IMO.

This guy would be even worse than Brosnan at acting the part too and also without the slightly more interesting looks Brosnan had which always pleased the girlies.

I bet Brosnan demanded to be bland and boring too, we all know he didn't want a Fleming-esque adult approach. Clearly all his comments on wanting to do this but lacking the opportunities were fabricated...!!

OMG

[Leon]

Hey, I've heard all this too. But the guy made 4 different films with 4 different directors and a number of different writers and his Bond was always the same.

He can say what he wants but I just don't buy it. He was popular and ok but not my favourite by any means.

[Stratus]

Hey, I've heard all this too. But the guy made 4 different films with 4 different directors and a number of different writers and his Bond was always the same.

He can say what he wants but I just don't buy it. He was popular and ok but not my favourite by any means.

All four films were made by the same producers with more or less the same constraints (onset rewrites and limitations in direction). I suppose GoldenEye is somewhat of the "exception". It was initially produced/written with Dalton in mind and Cubbie was still alive around that time (although his involvement was sparse I think).

Brosnan wanted one last shot at Bond, one with more creative freedom/involvement with an aim toward Fleming's written material. But of course that never materialized. Personally I thought that was not asking a lot, since he was already ingrained in the public mind they could have experimented with this "gritty/realistic" formula with less risks. Finally, it would have been nice to end it on a more official note.

Try putting yourself in a situation where you wanted to do something but you get continually constrained by something else but get criticized for the final product.

If the same thing happened to Craig would you blame him? I certainly wouldn't.

Edited by Stratus, 11 January 2006 - 12:42 AM.

[Bond Bombshell]

Acting is subjective of course, but all those posters trashing McMahon's acting skills need to remember his Golden Globe nomination for Nip/Tuck. At least someone thinks he can act! McMahon didn't win, but Nip/Tuck did, which had a lot to do with McMahon - by far the most popular character on the show.

Do you actually pay attention to any of those award shows?

Not a lot. Like most people I make my own mind up about what I like. However, I'm more likely to be impressed by an industry nomination from those that have experience in judging talent, than claims of "atrocious" acting from a first time CBn poster. Whether we like it or not, nominations do give actors a certain amount of kudos for a short time at least. Nip/Tuck has improved McMahon's credibility as an actor both critically and commercially, although it remains to be seen if he can capitalise on this.

[Emma]

These forums have been increasingly growing with moronic posts from new users, mainly the reason I haven't been posting much is because the intelligence of posters has diminished greatly.

For all of the posters who claim McMahon is a "pretty boy", we seem to have lived the past 10 years with a "pretty boy" as Bond. And pretty boy? Hell, there was nothing more "pretty boy" than Sean Connery. Yes, he had a hard-edged attitude about him, but when he was thriving as Bond in the 60's, there was no one as "metro" as Sir Sean.

Yeah, McMahon may be a bad choice, but many of these new users need to check their facts and make sound and substantiated posts before getting into arguments and swearing matches with fellow posters.

Well said!