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#61 Jericho_One

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Posted 10 August 2006 - 01:21 AM

Just seen it. It lived up to my expectations and it's a fine fine movie. Maybe I'll go for it again before it leaves theatres.
But you can clearly see that this flick has been cut - a lot. Besides, there is footage in the trailers wich isn't featured in the final cut. For instance, the boat races in wich Tubbs and Crockett take part in. (You can see some footage of that in the trailer, as well as Jamie Foxx wearing a red helmet. There's also an official pic released prior to the movie wich shows Crockett and Tubbs wearing racing suits with the same logos seen in the boat Crockett takes to Cuba).

People not familiarized with the characters may have trouble following the plot.

I'll definitely be waiting for a director's cut. This movie deserves it.

Edited by Jericho_One, 10 August 2006 - 01:59 AM.


#62 Loomis

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Posted 10 August 2006 - 11:57 AM

I'll definitely be waiting for a director's cut. This movie deserves it.


Has Mann ever done a director's cut for DVD, though? I'm not an expert on his work, but I'm not sure he has. I'd agree (even though I haven't seen it yet! :) ) that MIAMI VICE richly deserves an extended version, but we'll have to see what happens. (Duh! Well, obviously. :P )

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Posted 10 August 2006 - 12:38 PM

......... but we'll have to see what happens.


....which should qualify as the incisive remark of the day.
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#64 Loomis

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Posted 10 August 2006 - 12:48 PM

I found it to be a phrase that seems to fit all manner of circumstances. :)

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Posted 10 August 2006 - 01:18 PM

I said I'll be waiting...
Not overconfidently, but waiting... :)

For instance, there's talks about the release on DVD of an uncut version of "The Keep", a very strange movie Mann directed back in '83 that was not only cut, but severely cut and it bombed at the box office. But that was 23 years ago, and since Mann seems to be pretty busy for the next couple of years, even that release, if it's happening, may be years away.
Anyway, it would be criminal not to release the MV unseen footage, it seems some good stuff went with it to the cutting room floor.

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Posted 13 August 2006 - 04:13 AM

Mann put together director's cuts of both MANHUNTER and LAST OF THE MOHICANS; both for the DVD editions. He seems to be very deleted scene friendly. Both COLLATERAL and HEAT feature deleted scenes.

If we don't get an extended cut of VICE, there's a big chance that the DVD will include these scenes as supplements.

#67 Jericho_One

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Posted 13 August 2006 - 02:33 PM

Mann put together director's cuts of both MANHUNTER and LAST OF THE MOHICANS; both for the DVD editions. He seems to be very deleted scene friendly. Both COLLATERAL and HEAT feature deleted scenes.

If we don't get an extended cut of VICE, there's a big chance that the DVD will include these scenes as supplements.


Well, besides having put money aside to buy Manhunter, I'm definitely counting on some goodies in the MV dvd. :)

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Posted 16 August 2006 - 02:17 PM

I note from Box Office Mojo that MIAMI VICE has "only" taken $56 million Stateside, putting it just ahead of FINAL DESTINATION 3 and THE OMEN and behind the likes of UNDERWORLD: EVOLUTION and POSEIDON, and making it currently the 32nd highest-grossing film in the United States this year.

Now, granted, VICE has been out for only a few days, but my question is: is it a flop?

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Posted 16 August 2006 - 02:20 PM

I hope not. I enjoyed it. It was far from perfect but I'll pay to see the sequel opening day if we get one...

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Posted 16 August 2006 - 02:27 PM

I said I'll be waiting...
Not overconfidently, but waiting... :)

For instance, there's talks about the release on DVD of an uncut version of "The Keep", a very strange movie Mann directed back in '83 that was not only cut, but severely cut and it bombed at the box office. But that was 23 years ago, and since Mann seems to be pretty busy for the next couple of years, even that release, if it's happening, may be years away.
Anyway, it would be criminal not to release the MV unseen footage, it seems some good stuff went with it to the cutting room floor.


I must be one of a very few number of people that love the Keep. I'd love a directors cut DVD

I note from Box Office Mojo that MIAMI VICE has "only" taken $56 million Stateside, putting it just ahead of FINAL DESTINATION 3 and THE OMEN and behind the likes of UNDERWORLD: EVOLUTION and POSEIDON, and making it currently the 32nd highest-grossing film in the United States this year.

Now, granted, VICE has been out for only a few days, but my question is: is it a flop?


Well, I don't think it is a hit...
I enjoyed it, but came out wondering why Mann bothered...if didn't really do anything we have not seen before, it lost the stylistic elements that we associate with MV, and replaced them with Heat-style very loud bullet noise. I'm a massive fan of Manhunter and Mohicans, but I just can't help but feel Mann's more recent work is over-rated

#71 Loomis

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Posted 16 August 2006 - 02:29 PM

Box Office Mojo is full of surprises (for me, at least). I mean, I had no idea that X-MEN: THE LAST STAND had done such phenomenal business (currently number three, with a $234 million gross - that's $100 million more than MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE III!).

And a gross of only $5,851,188 for BASIC INSTINCT 2? Wow, that's gotta be the bomb of all bombs, surely?

I wonder where CASINO ROYALE and ROCKY BALBOA will be on the end-of-year list. Bond's guaranteed to be top 20*, at the very least (although I'm sure that many Craig-bashers would disagree), although I don't fancy the Italian Stallion's chances.

*Currently, no. 20 is YOU, ME AND DUPREE (never heard of it), with a $71 million haul.

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Posted 16 August 2006 - 03:20 PM

I must be one of a very few number of people that love the Keep. I'd love a directors cut DVD


Well mate, you're not alone! I absolutely love The Keep even if the majority of people say its crap, and I would like to see a director's cut DVD too.
By the way, do you know this site?

The Keep

Edited by Jericho_One, 16 August 2006 - 03:22 PM.


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Posted 16 August 2006 - 03:43 PM

I hope not. I enjoyed it. It was far from perfect but I'll pay to see the sequel opening day if we get one...


Well, I've read that the budget was $135 million, so I guess a sequel is unlikely, based on the film's apparently underwhelming performance (still, it should do well internationally, and very well on DVD, so....).

Still, it's depressing that such "smart" franchise fare should do so poorly (mind you, Bourne does more than okay). Perhaps summer was the wrong time to release MIAMI VICE.

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Posted 16 August 2006 - 03:48 PM

I liked the movie - dark, with guns and speedboats. Awkward love scenes, and a bit too gloomy for Florida shots, but all in all a suspenseful action-packed movie. They could've cast a real Latina for the leading lady role, though. :)

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Posted 16 August 2006 - 03:55 PM

I liked the movie - dark, with guns and speedboats. Awkward love scenes, and a bit too gloomy for Florida shots, but all in all a suspenseful action-packed movie. They could've cast a real Latina for the leading lady role, though. :)


Well, she's supposed to be half-cuban, half-chinese...

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Posted 16 August 2006 - 04:08 PM


I liked the movie - dark, with guns and speedboats. Awkward love scenes, and a bit too gloomy for Florida shots, but all in all a suspenseful action-packed movie. They could've cast a real Latina for the leading lady role, though. :)


Well, she's supposed to be half-cuban, half-chinese...


Did she (her character) supposedly grow up in China? She had a strong Chinese accent. Couldn't find the Cuban in her. Oops - not to say anything about who she worked for. :P


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Posted 16 August 2006 - 08:17 PM


I must be one of a very few number of people that love the Keep. I'd love a directors cut DVD


Well mate, you're not alone! I absolutely love The Keep even if the majority of people say its crap, and I would like to see a director's cut DVD too.
By the way, do you know this site?

The Keep


Good man. I'll check out that site :)

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Posted 16 August 2006 - 08:19 PM

Just seen it. It lived up to my expectations and it's a fine fine movie. Maybe I'll go for it again before it leaves theatres.
But you can clearly see that this flick has been cut - a lot.

People not familiarized with the characters may have trouble following the plot.

I'll definitely be waiting for a director's cut. This movie deserves it.


I agree - plenty of stuff from the trailer I was looking for.

And you are absolutely right - as a big fan of the show I immediately knew more about the characters and situations (and even what episodes they were taken from) - that someone unfamiliar with the show would have had a harder time with.

I enjoyed it - sorry to hear it hasn't done that well.

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Posted 17 August 2006 - 09:08 AM



I liked the movie - dark, with guns and speedboats. Awkward love scenes, and a bit too gloomy for Florida shots, but all in all a suspenseful action-packed movie. They could've cast a real Latina for the leading lady role, though. :)


Well, she's supposed to be half-cuban, half-chinese...


Did she (her character) supposedly grow up in China? She had a strong Chinese accent. Couldn't find the Cuban in her. Oops - not to say anything about who she worked for. :P


What would be more believable? To cast a 100% latin woman to portray a half-chinese character?
Please don't engage in pointless discussion.

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 10:47 PM

I'd decided, on the basis of its extremely mixed reviews, to wait until DVD for MIAMI VICE, but ended up going to see it, and boy did it turn out to be worth it (unlike another recent big screen experience, THE QUEEN, which is certainly a decent watch, but not exactly one of those films that cries out to be seen at the cinema; indeed, TV seems the natural home for Stephen Frears' newie).

A common complaint is that MIAMI VICE has far too little action, but does anyone seriously believe that a few more shootouts, a car chase or two, and bags of explosions would have resulted in a better film? Think it through, people. True, MIAMI VICE is almost so stripped-down in terms of mayhem as to make COLLATERAL look as overstuffed with pointless and interminable action scenes as TERMINATOR 3.... but this is definitely one of the best things about it. It's a summer action flick/cop thriller that emphasises atmosphere and suspense over "crowdpleasing" stuff. I mean, how dare they? Never mind that, come the finale, the tension has built up to such a point that almost every move the characters make has you on the edge of your seat - why aren't there more crashing cop cars?

In any case, the action in MIAMI VICE - while not, it is true, particularly plentiful - is unforgettable. The deaths are uncommonly disturbing and haunting, as one supposes they should be - after all, if this were merely the "movie" many seem to have wanted it to be, as opposed to the rather more artistically done "film" that it is, the body count (and the quip count - but this picture's a quip-free zone) would doubtless be in the dozens before the opening credits (and there aren't even any of those, either) and we'd all be just sitting there wondering whether and when some of Jan Hammer's "iconic" music was going to turn up remixed to some modern gangsta rap (again, if this is the idea of MIAMI VICE THE MOVIE you were wedded to, consider yourself saved the bother). Yet there's the feeling that Mann was trying to visualise the "balloon people" nightmares of Pacino's tormented cop in HEAT.

Another common gripe is: where's the plot? (As though the revered HEAT boasts an amazing story.) And, again, this misses the point. MIAMI VICE is - and I do concede that, on the face of it, this may seem absurd - a mood piece and character study (as was HEAT, let's not forget), so is it really such a sin that it doesn't spin an especially good yarn? It's not the story Mann tells, but how he tells it.

And, oh, it's the way he tells 'em. Yes, it's "style over substance", but it's so intoxicatingly, well, stylish that you catch yourself thinking that Mann could adapt the telephone directory and still make an absolutely riveting flick. That he has such an astonishing visual eye helps a lot, of course. The extraordinary colours and images of MIAMI VICE make it essential viewing on the big screen, although that said it'll also look fantastic on DVD, particularly for those with fancy widescreen plasma TVs.

Yet it's much more than one of those films that's just "good to look at" - the performances are ace (and Colin Farrell accomplishes the impressive and welcome feat of making the viewer forget he's Colin Farrell), and, as usual with Mann, the soundtrack is a killer.

Is it in the league of HEAT and THE INSIDER? No, but why hold that against it? Also, it's slightly overlong, but it's certainly a cut above COLLATERAL, a film that seems both very pretentious and very silly by comparison.

Anyway, definitely one to check out before it vanishes from cinemas.

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 02:41 AM

Never saw it. Had intentions of taking the girlfriend who was keen on seeing it, but thankfully and mercifully she heard the reviews were terrible and that gave me the escape clause I was looking for.

There is only one movie for me this year (and actually since The Return Of The King) and it's the one opening Nov 17.

I suspect Casino Royale will crush the likes of Miami Vice and MI:3 at the box office.

I expect Casino Royale will be the 5th or 6th highest grossing movie for a 2006 release on a world wide basis.

When all is said and done, James Bond will remain at the top of the heap and everyone will forget the likes of ethan hunt, jason bourne and that xxx chap in years to come.

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 06:15 AM

When all is said and done, James Bond will remain at the top of the heap and everyone will forget the likes of ethan hunt, jason bourne and that xxx chap in years to come.

XXX Who?
In 3-4 years, people will say Ethan Hunt who.
In 7-8 years, people will say Jason Bourne who.
In 30-40 years, people will STILL say James Bond - Wow.
This is my inner fanboy speaking. :)

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 11:08 AM

Never saw it. Had intentions of taking the girlfriend who was keen on seeing it, but thankfully and mercifully she heard the reviews were terrible and that gave me the escape clause I was looking for.


I myself read some scathing reviews of MIAMI VICE (as well as some positive ones), and some CBners whose views I have a lot of time for, such as Harmsway, were very down on the film (then again, other CBners whose opinions I respect, such as Tarl, did like it).

In the end, I did the only thing one can do. I saw it and I made up my own mind. After all, every film has a combination of good and bad reviews (and I don't care how widely-praised it may be, even the lauded likes of, oh, I don't know, CRASH, LOST IN TRANSLATION and MILLION DOLLAR BABY have plenty of poor writeups among all the raves), and if you just went by the bad reviews you'd never see anything.

There is only one movie for me this year (and actually since The Return Of The King) and it's the one opening Nov 17.


Same here, although if I lived in North America there'd be two: CASINO ROYALE and ROCKY BALBOA - I've looked forward to those two babies for years while never thinking they'd actually be made. A fanboy's dream come true. :)

Still, there have been a few other films I've greatly enjoyed at the cinema this year, chiefly THE MATADOR, MIAMI VICE and MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE III. There's room for more than Bond, surely?

I suspect Casino Royale will crush the likes of Miami Vice and MI:3 at the box office.


Yeah. It'll easily crush MIAMI VICE, and I won't be surprised if it outgrosses M:I-III too. Does that mean that MIAMI VICE and M:I-III are bad films that aren't worth seeing, though? Again, the only thing to do is check them out and decide for yourself.

I expect Casino Royale will be the 5th or 6th highest grossing movie for a 2006 release on a world wide basis.


I think it could do even better than that.

When all is said and done, James Bond will remain at the top of the heap and everyone will forget the likes of ethan hunt, jason bourne and that xxx chap in years to come.


Well, I quite agree, but, once again, there's surely room for more than Bond, no?

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Posted 07 October 2006 - 09:57 PM

Well, I quite agree, but, once again, there's surely room for more than Bond, no?


Certainly, definitely. :)

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Posted 19 October 2006 - 01:44 AM

Directed by Michael Mann

RATING: **1/2

Miami undercover cops Sonny Crockett (Colin Farrell) and Ricardo Tubbs (Jamie Foxx) are forced to go deep undercover as drug dealers to force a Colombian drug baron out into the open. Things get complicated when Crockett falls for the drug baron's wife (Gong Li)...

'Miami Vice' (created by Anthony Yerkovich) ran from 1984 to 1989, and it's mix of designer suits, pastel colors, moody soundtrack and Don Johnson's designer stubble caught hold of the zeitgeist and was a huge success. Unfortunately, anyone wishing to view the origins of this feature-film update, written and directed by the show's executive producer - Michael Mann - would be best advised to simply not do so. It has dated, is hopelessly sentimental and self-conscious, and stars Johnson and Philip Michael Thomas had no chemistry together.

So...the question has to be asked. Why remake it?

Many people may not know that Mann's crime saga (and masterpiece) HEAT (1995) was a reworking of a TV film (and also a proposed pilot for a stillborn TV series) he wrote and directed in 1989 that was called L.A. TAKEDOWN. Another masterpiece of his (he has made a few) - 1986's MANHUNTER (the first film to feature the Hannibal Lecter character, and based on the same novel as Brett Ratner's RED DRAGON, 2002) - followed an episode of 'Miami Vice' that had Johnson on the trail of a psychopath. Apparently, this film has it's roots itself in two episodes of Mann's short-lived Tom Sizemore-starring TV series 'Robbery Homicide Division' (namely episodes 8 and 9 - 'Wild Ride' and 'Life is Dust'). This is all according to a post on the DVD Times website by 'Royster', who also claims that 'whole snatches of dialogue and scenes were lifted and reshaped and refined'. The admittedly long-winded point I am trying to make is that Mann has a history of taking his previous TV work and expanding ideas into feature-length films.

The film was set in motion by two-times collaborator (ALI, 2001; COLLATERAL, 2004) Jamie Foxx's suggestion that Mann should make a feature-length 'Vice'. Mann probably guessed that Oscar-winner (RAY, 2004) Foxx in the picture, the name recognition of the title (which oddly doesn't appear in the non-existent opening credits), almost surefire strong box-office and a chance to update the TV show into his own milieu, concerns (men tied to their professions above anything else, the natures of identity and duality) and motifs (at one point Colin Farrell looks out to the sea like William Petersen in MANHUNTER and Robert de Niro in HEAT) was highly alluring.

As a Mann fan (I consider MANHUNTER, 1992's THE LAST OF THE MOHICANS, HEAT and 1999's THE INSIDER to be some of the greatest films of the last twenty years) it grieves me to admit that MIAMI VICE is his worse film by far and simply not worthy of him. The film will not please fans of the TV show - Sonny Crockett (Don Johnson replaced by Colin Farrell) and Ricardo Tubbs (Philip Michael Thomas repalced by Jamie Foxx) are completely different characters (and considerably less snazzy or stylishly groomed and dressed). They are humorless, and only have a bond because they say they do. Farrell and Foxx have no chemistry together, just like the TV show. They are boring characters. The depth of the characters in the TV show was supplied by pouting and rock songs on the soundtrack. Unbelievably, it is the same here. The film is shot on digital film, which admittedly brings immediacy and a documentary feel to some of the scenes, but it is at odds with the 'B' movie nature of the material. It also serves to drain the film of any color or pizzazz - which the film needs. In a 2 hour film, there is little action, and what there is simply riffs on Mann's amazing street shootout in HEAT. So, the film will also displease action fans who have been sold a BAD BOYS III in the trailers.

The story is predictable. We know Crockett and Tubbs will run into problems with the bad guys. We know Farrell will fall in love with the bad guy's girl because Farrell has a reputation with the ladies and why else would sexy Gong Li (MEMOIRS OF A GEISHA, 2005) be in the film? The otherwise pointless sex scenes with Foxx and Naomie Harris obviously mean Harris will get kidnapped. Or something. There are no guilty pleasures to be had guessing these things because Mann believes 100% that MIAMI VICE is more than an action film. It is supposed to be about SOMETHING. But what? These are cardboard characters and having Farrell and Li jump each other's bones two or three times does not equal a believably doomed love affair. Why are they attracted to each other? And why is Li's character presented as some sort of victim? The film unfortunately duplicates the cheesy melodramatic nature of the TV series.

All in all, MIAMI VICE is as unbelievable, but a hell of a lot less entertaining than the similarly-themed BAD BOYS II (2003). Wafer-thin and unconvincing characters, a slow pace, an inappropriately arty look (the film was shot by COLLATERAL's Dion Beebe), a dated soundtrack (Moby and a Phil Collins cover do not make this a hip flick) and TV-movie style action all contribute towards a complete artistic misfire from a genius director, who admittedly had his last remarkable film in 1999 with THE INSIDER. The only thing the film has to offer are some beautiful aerial shots, some tense scenes (for example, the rescuing of Harris's character) and some disturbing and all too real violence. And of course the enigmatically beautiful Gong Li.

Around 100 people apparently left the crew of this film, allegedly because of Mann's unrelenting perfectionism and decision to film in dangerous areas (such as the worst crime area of The Dominican Republic) and allegedly unsafe weather conditions. (The production offices were also destroyed during Hurricanes Katrina, Rita and Wilma. Also 'collateral' was one of Crockett's pet turtles. The other one was never found. They now don't appear in the film.) This paints a picture of a dedicated film-maker who won't give up until he has his vision burned onto celluloid. The fact that such efforts produced MIAMI VICE is worrying. After the disappointing (but still very good) COLLATERAL, it is clear Mann needs to steer away from crime movies until he has something original and unique to offer. Because for all he might disagree, MIAMI VICE is a million miles away from the quality of HEAT - which should have been a companion piece to this film (the undercover cops share many characteristics with the criminals in HEAT - complete loyalty and fearlessness, anti-authoritarianism, emotion despite their stoic exteriors, restlessness...).

And to top it all, Crockett's pet alligator doesn't even appear.

TRIVIA - The film has done disappointing business in the US, possibly because of poor word of mouth. Plans for a sequel may be scrapped. By all accounts, the film was a difficult shoot. Jamie Foxx demanded a higher salary after his oscar win for RAY - Farrell had to take a pay cut to make it happen. Foxx also wanted top billing but he didn't get it. He allegedly wouldn't film any scenes on boats or planes, derspite his character's status as an ace pilot. He also allegedly wouldn't fly commercially, so a private jet was laid on. After a real shooting occured on set in The Dominican Republic, Foxx flew back to the US and told the studio he wouldn't return to The Dominican Republic. So Mann's apparently superior climax to be filmed in the country was scrapped and redone in Miami. Chinese actress Gong Li reportedly had problems with her English and Spanish. And Farrell, in the early part of the shoot, herniated two discs in his back during a weightlifting session when his rib broke away from his sternum. A few weeks after the shoot, he checked into a rehab facility. The film cost around $135 - 150m to make.

MIAMI VICE will be available on DVD in November.

Edited by manfromjapan, 19 October 2006 - 11:44 AM.


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Posted 19 October 2006 - 01:46 AM

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Posted 19 October 2006 - 01:50 AM

Excellent review, and I'm glad I didn't pay to see it in a theater! :)

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Posted 19 October 2006 - 02:27 AM

I really wanted to like that movie, but it was too much style and not enough substance. Real disappointment to the original series. The X-Files: Fight the Future still seems to be the best TV-to-Film movie for me.

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Posted 19 October 2006 - 12:10 PM

Directed by Michael Mann

RATING: **1/2

Miami undercover cops Sonny Crockett (Colin Farrell) and Ricardo Tubbs (Jamie Foxx) are forced to go deep undercover as drug dealers to force a Colombian drug baron out into the open. Things get complicated when Crockett falls for the drug baron's wife (Gong Li)...

'Miami Vice' (created by Anthony Yerkovich) ran from 1984 to 1989, and it's mix of designer suits, pastel colors, moody soundtrack and Don Johnson's designer stubble caught hold of the zeitgeist and was a huge success. Unfortunately, anyone wishing to view the origins of this feature-film update, written and directed by the show's executive producer - Michael Mann - would be best advised to simply not do so. It has dated, is hopelessly sentimental and self-conscious, and stars Johnson and Philip Michael Thomas had no chemistry together.

So...the question has to be asked. Why remake it?

Many people may not know that Mann's crime saga (and masterpiece) HEAT (1995) was a reworking of a TV film (and also a proposed pilot for a stillborn TV series) he wrote and directed in 1989 that was called L.A. TAKEDOWN. Another masterpiece of his (he has made a few) - 1986's MANHUNTER (the first film to feature the Hannibal Lecter character, and based on the same novel as Brett Ratner's RED DRAGON, 2002) - followed an episode of 'Miami Vice' that had Johnson on the trail of a psychopath. Apparently, this film has it's roots itself in two episodes of Mann's short-lived Tom Sizemore-starring TV series 'Robbery Homicide Division' (namely episodes 8 and 9 - 'Wild Ride' and 'Life is Dust'). This is all according to a post on the DVD Times website by 'Royster', who also claims that 'whole snatches of dialogue and scenes were lifted and reshaped and refined'. The admittedly long-winded point I am trying to make is that Mann has a history of taking his previous TV work and expanding ideas into feature-length films.

The film was set in motion by two-times collaborator (ALI, 2001; COLLATERAL, 2004) Jamie Foxx's suggestion that Mann should make a feature-length 'Vice'. Mann probably guessed that Oscar-winner (RAY, 2004) Foxx in the picture, the name recognition of the title (which oddly doesn't appear in the non-existent opening credits), almost surefire strong box-office and a chance to update the TV show into his own milieu, concerns (men tied to their professions above anything else, the natures of identity and duality) and motifs (at one point Colin Farrell looks out to the sea like William Petersen in MANHUNTER and Robert de Niro in HEAT) was highly alluring.

As a Mann fan (I consider MANHUNTER, 1992's THE LAST OF THE MOHICANS, HEAT and 1999's THE INSIDER to be some of the greatest films of the last twenty years) it grieves me to admit that MIAMI VICE is his worse film by far and simply not worthy of him. The film will not please fans of the TV show - Sonny Crockett (Don Johnson replaced by Colin Farrell) and Ricardo Tubbs (Philip Michael Thomas repalced by Jamie Foxx) are completely different characters (and considerably less snazzy or stylishly groomed and dressed). They are humorless, and only have a bond because they say they do. Farrell and Foxx have no chemistry together, just like the TV show. They are boring characters. The depth of the characters in the TV show was supplied by pouting and rock songs on the soundtrack. Unbelievably, it is the same here. The film is shot on digital film, which admittedly brings immediacy and a documentary feel to some of the scenes, but it is at odds with the 'B' movie nature of the material. It also serves to drain the film of any color or pizzazz - which the film needs. In a 2 hour film, there is little action, and what there is simply riffs on Mann's amazing street shootout in HEAT. So, the film will also displease action fans who have been sold a BAD BOYS III in the trailers.

The story is predictable. We know Crockett and Tubbs will run into problems with the bad guys. We know Farrell will fall in love with the bad guy's girl because Farrell has a reputation with the ladies and why else would sexy Gong Li (MEMOIRS OF A GEISHA, 2005) be in the film? The otherwise pointless sex scenes with Foxx and Naomie Harris obviously mean Harris will get kidnapped. Or something. There are no guilty pleasures to be had guessing these things because Mann believes 100% that MIAMI VICE is more than an action film. It is supposed to be about SOMETHING. But what? These are cardboard characters and having Farrell and Li jump each other's bones two or three times does not equal a believably doomed love affair. Why are they attracted to each other? And why is Li's character presented as some sort of victim? The film unfortunately duplicates the cheesy melodramatic nature of the TV series.

All in all, MIAMI VICE is as unbelievable, but a hell of a lot less entertaining than the similarly-themed BAD BOYS II (2003). Wafer-thin and unconvincing characters, a slow pace, an inappropriately arty look (the film was shot by COLLATERAL's Dion Beebe), a dated soundtrack (Moby and a Phil Collins cover do not make this a hip flick) and TV-movie style action all contribute towards a complete artistic misfire from a genius director, who admittedly had his last remarkable film in 1999 with THE INSIDER. The only thing the film has to offer are some beautiful aerial shots, some tense scenes (for example, the rescuing of Harris's character) and some disturbing and all too real violence. And of course the enigmatically beautiful Gong Li.

Around 100 people apparently left the crew of this film, allegedly because of Mann's unrelenting perfectionism and decision to film in dangerous areas (such as the worst crime area of The Dominican Republic) and allegedly unsafe weather conditions. (The production offices were also destroyed during Hurricanes Katrina, Rita and Wilma. Also 'collateral' was one of Crockett's pet turtles. The other one was never found. They now don't appear in the film.) This paints a picture of a dedicated film-maker who won't give up until he has his vision burned onto celluloid. The fact that such efforts produced MIAMI VICE is worrying. After the disappointing (but still very good) COLLATERAL, it is clear Mann needs to steer away from crime movies until he has something original and unique to offer. Because for all he might disagree, MIAMI VICE is a million miles away from the quality of HEAT - which should have been a companion piece to this film (the undercover cops share many characteristics with the criminals in HEAT - complete loyalty and fearlessness, anti-authoritarianism, emotion despite their stoic exteriors, restlessness...).

And to top it all, Crockett's pet alligator doesn't even appear.

TRIVIA - The film has done disappointing business in the US, possibly because of poor word of mouth. Plans for a sequel may be scrapped. By all accounts, the film was a difficult shoot. Jamie Foxx demanded a higher salary after his oscar win for RAY - Farrell had to take a pay cut to make it happen. Foxx also wanted top billing but he didn't get it. He allegedly wouldn't film any scenes on boats or planes, derspite his character's status as an ace pilot. He also allegedly wouldn't fly commercially, so a private jet was laid on. After a real shooting occured on set in The Dominican Republic, Foxx flew back to the US and told the studio he wouldn't return to The Dominican Republic. So Mann's apparently superior climax to be filmed in the country was scrapped and redone in Miami. Chinese actress Gong Li reportedly had problems with her English and Spanish. And Farrell, in the early part of the shoot, herniated two discs in his back during a weightlifting session when his rib broke away from his sternum. A few weeks after the shoot, he checked into a rehab facility. The film cost around $135 - 150m to make.

MIAMI VICE will be available on DVD in November.


And I'll be first in line. I liked MIAMI VICE more than any film I've seen on the big screen this year. Still, an interesting review, manfromjapan - you make some good points. :)

As with DIE ANOTHER DAY, another flick that tends to get a right kicking for being A Huge Disappointment With A Muddled Plot, I fully understand all the criticisms of MIAMI VICE, and indeed I agree with many of them. However, I find that the film still works very well for me.

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Posted 25 October 2006 - 04:12 AM

I'd decided, on the basis of its extremely mixed reviews, to wait until DVD for MIAMI VICE, but ended up going to see it, and boy did it turn out to be worth it (unlike another recent big screen experience, THE QUEEN, which is certainly a decent watch, but not exactly one of those films that cries out to be seen at the cinema; indeed, TV seems the natural home for Stephen Frears' newie).

A common complaint is that MIAMI VICE has far too little action, but does anyone seriously believe that a few more shootouts, a car chase or two, and bags of explosions would have resulted in a better film? Think it through, people. True, MIAMI VICE is almost so stripped-down in terms of mayhem as to make COLLATERAL look as overstuffed with pointless and interminable action scenes as TERMINATOR 3.... but this is definitely one of the best things about it. It's a summer action flick/cop thriller that emphasises atmosphere and suspense over "crowdpleasing" stuff. I mean, how dare they? Never mind that, come the finale, the tension has built up to such a point that almost every move the characters make has you on the edge of your seat - why aren't there more crashing cop cars?

In any case, the action in MIAMI VICE - while not, it is true, particularly plentiful - is unforgettable. The deaths are uncommonly disturbing and haunting, as one supposes they should be - after all, if this were merely the "movie" many seem to have wanted it to be, as opposed to the rather more artistically done "film" that it is, the body count (and the quip count - but this picture's a quip-free zone) would doubtless be in the dozens before the opening credits (and there aren't even any of those, either) and we'd all be just sitting there wondering whether and when some of Jan Hammer's "iconic" music was going to turn up remixed to some modern gangsta rap (again, if this is the idea of MIAMI VICE THE MOVIE you were wedded to, consider yourself saved the bother). Yet there's the feeling that Mann was trying to visualise the "balloon people" nightmares of Pacino's tormented cop in HEAT.

Another common gripe is: where's the plot? (As though the revered HEAT boasts an amazing story.) And, again, this misses the point. MIAMI VICE is - and I do concede that, on the face of it, this may seem absurd - a mood piece and character study (as was HEAT, let's not forget), so is it really such a sin that it doesn't spin an especially good yarn? It's not the story Mann tells, but how he tells it.

And, oh, it's the way he tells 'em. Yes, it's "style over substance", but it's so intoxicatingly, well, stylish that you catch yourself thinking that Mann could adapt the telephone directory and still make an absolutely riveting flick. That he has such an astonishing visual eye helps a lot, of course. The extraordinary colours and images of MIAMI VICE make it essential viewing on the big screen, although that said it'll also look fantastic on DVD, particularly for those with fancy widescreen plasma TVs.

Yet it's much more than one of those films that's just "good to look at" - the performances are ace (and Colin Farrell accomplishes the impressive and welcome feat of making the viewer forget he's Colin Farrell), and, as usual with Mann, the soundtrack is a killer.

Is it in the league of HEAT and THE INSIDER? No, but why hold that against it? Also, it's slightly overlong, but it's certainly a cut above COLLATERAL, a film that seems both very pretentious and very silly by comparison.

Anyway, definitely one to check out before it vanishes from cinemas.


Great points Loomis. Yes, the film was unconventional( but so was the TV show) but so well made that you can't help but admire Mann as the star of the show at his best. I was hoping it did well at the B.O. so we'd have a franchise but I'm not so sure it was meant to be a tentpole film. Anyway, I'd pay anything to see a M-Mann 007 outing. Anything! :)