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[Mister Asterix]

[mra]Take a look at M in the pre-titles of The Living Daylights on his shoulder is his Royal Navy rank

[Bon-san]

Or, someone on the TLD production staff just made a mistake.

[Mister Asterix]

Or, someone on the TLD production staff just made a mistake.

When you have proof of that let me know.

[Gri007]

Or, someone on the TLD production staff just made a mistake.

Possability.

But it is a shame that hargreaves isn't M. Does this mean that Brown's M is still Sir Miles Merservy?

[zencat]

Yes! Very good Mister Asterix. I accept this as proof that Hargreaves is not M. The burden is now on the believers to prove otherwise (and "some on the crew make a mistake" doesn't cut it. ).

[Jim]

Or, someone on the TLD production staff just made a mistake.

Possability.

But it is a shame that hargreaves isn't M. Does this mean that Brown's M is still Sir Miles Merservy?

Not necessarily - never believed or needed to believe that Hargreaves became M (Christ on a bike, why am I writing about this rubbish?), in much the same way as I never believed or needed to believe that Brad Whitaker became Thingy Fatso whatever-his-name was.

But he doesn't have to be Messervy - is just A.N. Other person played by Robert Brown.

[Bon-san]

Or, someone on the TLD production staff just made a mistake.

Possability.

But it is a shame that hargreaves isn't M. Does this mean that Brown's M is still Sir Miles Merservy?

Not necessarily - never believed or needed to believe that Hargreaves became M (Christ on a bike, why am I writing about this rubbish?), in much the same way as I never believed or needed to believe that Brad Whitaker became Thingy Fatso whatever-his-name was.

But he doesn't have to be Messervy - is just A.N. Other person played by Robert Brown.

Pretty much my line of thought as well.

Wasn't trying to steal your thunder, Mr. *. It was a keen observation.

[Qwerty]

[quote name='Mister Asterix' date='24 June 2005 - 12:12'][mra]Take a look at M in the pre-titles of The Living Daylights on his shoulder is his Royal Navy rank

[Bryce (003)]

"I'll buy that for a dollar"

Well done Mr. Asterix.

*re-reads Jim's post*

"Christ on bike"....

Hmmm....

Don't remember that book...

Although, would have saved him a lot of time with all the walking he did...

[K1Bond007]

Yes! Very good Mister Asterix. I accept this as proof that Hargreaves is not M. The burden is now on the believers to prove otherwise (and "some on the crew make a mistake" doesn't cut it. ).

I never really believed that anyway. I always wondered if Brown's M was supposed to be Messervy. That's my only question.

[DLibrasnow]

Nice spot! Hopefully this can arrest another bit of trivia in the Bond series.

Still doesn't explain why Danjaq/EON claim that Brown is Admiral Hargreaves in all his 007 movies.

[Mister Asterix]

Still doesn't explain why Danjaq/EON claim that Brown is Admiral Hargreaves in all his 007 movies.

Where did they say that, DLib? And who was it that said it?

[doublenoughtspy]

Wonderful detective work, Mister Asterix!

I think Darren is referring to some comment Michael Wilson made about bringing back a previous actor from the series to replace Bernard Lee's M.

But I agree with Zencat - the proof on the screen with the rank is the evidence that shows it isn't Hargreaves.

[DLibrasnow]

Still doesn't explain why Danjaq/EON claim that Brown is Admiral Hargreaves in all his 007 movies.

Where did they say that, DLib? And who was it that said it?

The CD-ROMs released by Danjaq in the 1990s clearly name Browns character as Admiral Hargreaves for all the pictures in which Brown appeared.

[Jim]

They've been known to make mistakes in the past; that "Official" Sally Hibbin book of n years ago is replete with them. There are mistakes elsewhere...

[Inserts fatuous Licence to Kill/Pierce Brosnan abuse of choice at this point ... here]

The film speaks for itself. I'd go by the film, frankly.

Or, if you prefer, Brown's M may be called Hargreaves but it's not the same Admiral Hargreaves. It's a reasonably common name.

[DLibrasnow]

I'll stick with Admiral Hargreaves. I also like to think that Bernard Lee was the one and only Sir Miles.

[Mister Asterix]

[mra]Who on these CD-ROMs said M is Hargreaves? And which CD-ROMs?

Not trying have a go with you or anything Darren, just would like to see the evidence for myself.

Still I

[mccartney007]

And which CD-ROMs?

I think Darren is refering to the James Bond Interactive Dossier put out in 1996 or so. More info can be found here.

[bryonalston]

That is very good detective work, however, I still doubt that Robert Brown's M is the same person as Bernard Lee's. Admiral Hargreaves and Brown's M have similar personalities, and it wouldn't be implausible for the same Admiral Hargreaves in TSWLM to reprise his role later on (especially since both of Brown's characters appeared in the same era.)

[spynovelfan]

Admiral Hargreaves and Brown's M have similar personalities

So do Roger Moore's Simon Templar and James Bond, but they're not the same character.

[bryonalston]

That's like saying that Pierce Brosnan's Thomas Crown and James Bond have similar personalities, but they indeed AREN'T the same character, since the two movies don't really co-exist with eachother (It's a different universe or something. Watch 'Last Action Hero' with Arnold Schwarzenegger. It will clarify this whole concept a bit further.)

[Mister Asterix]

Morzeny and General Gogul had pretty similar personalities? Are they the same?

[Mister Asterix]

And which CD-ROMs?

I think Darren is refering to the James Bond Interactive Dossier put out in 1996 or so. More info can be found here.

[mra]Thanks macca. I

[Dunph]

Don't you lot know? In 1980 Admiral Hargreaves bummed a Russian rent boy who was found dead in his St Petersburg hotel room the following morning. In a hush-hush operation by the CIA it was covered-up in turn for Hargreaves demotion and secondment to MI6. Hargreaves was a CIA asset, and they managed to secure him the job as head of the Secret Intelligence Service in early 1982. He fed them intelligence until this was discovered by MI5 in 1989. No film could be made until a replacement was secured and the whole sorry mess was cleared up and whitewashed.

Proof enough if proof be need be, I think. Athangyou.

[K1Bond007]

[quote name='Mister Asterix' date='24 June 2005 - 16:30'][quote name='mccartney007' date='24 June 2005 - 15:42'][quote name='Mister Asterix' date='24 June 2005 - 13:29']And which CD-ROMs?

[/quote]

I think Darren is refering to the James Bond Interactive Dossier put out in 1996 or so. More info can be found here.

[/quote]

[mra]Thanks macca. I

[DLibrasnow]

The CD-ROMs were co-authored by John Cork? Well that does it Evan (Mister *) must be right because Cork doesn't know anything about 007

[K1Bond007]

The CD-ROMs were co-authored by John Cork? Well that does it Evan (Mister *) must be right because Cork doesn't know anything about 007

Well some sites say "co-authored", others such as Pan MacMillan (essentially advertising for James Bond: The Legacy) claimed "contributed."

Link:
http://www.panmacmil...gacyAuthor.html

[Blofeld's Cat]

Nice pickup, Mr A. I'll accept that as fact as it's actuually up there on the screen. Can't go on anything other than that.

The burden is now on the believers to prove otherwise (and "some on the crew make a mistake" doesn't cut it. ).

That burden has ALWAYS been on the Hargreaves-is-M-believers.

[bryonalston]

Does it really matter if Hargreaves is M? What impact does it make to the rest of the series if he is or isn't?

Edited by bryonalston, 25 June 2005 - 04:25 AM.

[Blofeld's Cat]

Does it really matter if Hargreaves is M?

Not realy, but that's the sort of things that fans like to do.