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[Sam Fisher]

Ok now I'm afraid...very afraid

See the front page on the upper right hand side.

http://www.commander...item&item=23518

[tdalton]

If he's admitting that he's been in talks with EON, then that means his candidacy is over. EON will not hire someone to play Bond if they have blabbed that they've been negotiating for it to the press. They probably would shut down negotiations with that person and move on to the next guy.

I see it as a good sign, as it means that McMahon is probably not going to be the guy.

[Athena007]

I'm sure he perhaps "has" been. But he could "have" been. But what about now? Even he says, "...but I don't know what's going to happen."

Isn't this old recycled new anyways?

[Pussfeller]

I agree with tdalton. McMahon is probably just making the most of the free publicity, knowing that it will soon be over. I'd take this as a signal that the announcement may be coming soon, and that it won't be our cranially well-endowed Australian friend.

[Skudor]

It's old news and means nothing. Although that he talks about it is more likely to mean he's not it than the opposite.

[Jim]

I wonder if he has a new film out.

[SecretAgentFan]

I agree - if he says he has been in talks then he knows that it

[DLibrasnow]

[quote name='Jim' date='9 June 2005 - 02:24']I wonder if he has a new film out.

[spynovelfan]

One theory might be that he chap who's avoiding the question is doing so because he's in the running, and that the chaps admitting they've been considered now have nothing to lose in saying that, as it ain't them.

[Skudor]

I've never seen a UFO, therefore they must exist.
Owen says he's never been asked, therefore he must have been.
McMahon says he's been in talks, therefore he can't have been.

Edited by Skudor, 09 June 2005 - 12:32 PM.

[spynovelfan]

Or: McMahon and Craig were both in talks, but know they haven't been selected and are making the most of the publicity for their new films. And *whoever* is the next Bond is very unlikely to hint at it before the official announcement, as it would scupper the, well, official announcement.

No UFO talk really, is it?

[Skudor]

Or: McMahon and Craig were both in talks, but know they haven't been selected and are making the most of the publicity for their new films. And *whoever* is the next Bond is very unlikely to hint at it before the official announcement, as it would scupper the, well, official announcement.

No UFO talk really, is it?

I know, a bit cheeky. But I don't really agree with your logic. It's possible, but I don't find it plausible. I can believe that McMahon has been approached as he fits the mold, and I can believe that Owen has never been approached as, in my opinion, he doesn't fit the type of person EON has picked before - despite the fact that a large portion of the fan community thinks he's the perfect candidate. This logic fits what the boys have said.

I would agree that McMahon's outspokenness could mean that he knows he won't get the part, though.

Whoever is chosen and signed will be subject to a gagging order, I'm sure.

[Mister Asterix]

Or: McMahon and Craig were both in talks, but know they haven't been selected and are making the most of the publicity for their new films. And *whoever* is the next Bond is very unlikely to hint at it before the official announcement, as it would scupper the, well, official announcement.

No UFO talk really, is it?

I know, a bit cheeky. But I don't really agree with your logic. It's possible, but I don't find it plausible.

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Whoever is chosen and signed will be subject to a gagging order, I'm sure.

[mra]I would have to believe that whoever

[cvheady007]

Whoever is chosen and signed will be subject to a gagging order, I'm sure.

Yeah, and since these guys have all blabbed (McMahon, Owen, Craig), that leaves only 5,999,999,997 people left that could be Bond...including Pierce.

[Seannery]

If he's admitting that he's been in talks with EON, then that means his candidacy is over.  EON will not hire someone to play Bond if they have blabbed that they've been negotiating for it to the press.  They probably would shut down negotiations with that person and move on to the next guy.

I see it as a good sign, as it means that McMahon is probably not going to be the guy.

This is what I also said a couple of months ago when McMahon supposedly said he was a finalist--talking about it means he don't got it.

[spynovelfan]

Yeah, and since these guys have all blabbed (McMahon, Owen, Craig), that leaves only 5,999,999,997 people left that could be Bond...including Pierce. 

But Owen never has blabbed. He gets asked about it in every single interview he does, and he alwaysa evades the question. He never says 'I've been in talks but I don't know what the situation is', which is what Craig and Jackman have both said. He never says 'I don't want the part', which is what Colin Farrell said. He doesn't say 'I'd love to do it,' which is what Adrian Paul, James Purefoy and others have said. He always says the only thing anyone under serious consideration can really say, which is to smile and say it's all rumours, that stuff, just rumours. He's varied it, of course - so would anyone, asked about it that often - but essentially he has never made it clear if he has been approached or not (he's said both, but neither very clearly), or if he's interested in it or not (ditto). It may well not be Owen - I tihnk it's going to be Hugh Dancy, on September 1 - but I can't really see why anyone thinks his pronouncements have suggested he's not in the running. I think the way he's played it suggests Owen is in the running. Whether or not he is is another matter. But I think it's clear that if you'r giving interviews in which you say you were approached to play Bond, you're not going to be Bond.

[Seannery]

[quote name='spynovelfan' date='9 June 2005 - 15:14'][quote name='cvheady007' date='9 June 2005 - 14:03']Yeah, and since these guys have all blabbed (McMahon, Owen, Craig), that leaves only 5,999,999,997 people left that could be Bond...including Pierce.

[Mister Asterix]

[quote name='spynovelfan' date='9 June 2005 - 09:14'][quote name='cvheady007' date='9 June 2005 - 14:03']Yeah, and since these guys have all blabbed (McMahon, Owen, Craig), that leaves only 5,999,999,997 people left that could be Bond...including Pierce.

[cvheady007]

Agreed - scaring people like that! For shame!

[luciusgore]

[quote name='Mister Asterix' date='9 June 2005 - 14:35'][quote name='spynovelfan' date='9 June 2005 - 09:14'][quote name='cvheady007' date='9 June 2005 - 14:03']Yeah, and since these guys have all blabbed (McMahon, Owen, Craig), that leaves only 5,999,999,997 people left that could be Bond...including Pierce.

[Bondesque]

McMahon is using the hollywood tactic of using the Bond mania to bring attention to his own career and his new movie Fantastic Four. Craig did it with Layer Cake, Brozzie with After the Sunset, Owen with Sin City, etc. It is smart marketing on thier part.

I don't beleive that EON would choose McMahon with so many better choices available to them.

[spynovelfan]

I agree that by his interviews you can't rule Clive out or in for Bond.  BUT spynovelfan check out the Clive thread when he says I always wanted to be James Bond and why haven't they asked me--sounds rather enthusiastic for Bond.

I tihnk if anything he sounds rather unenthusiastic. Hard to tell in print, but I read it as being a very wry and tongue-in-cheeck comment. And again it could go either way, that tongue-in-cheekness: either he isn't in the least bit interested in it, and he's just taking the piss (which is quite possible), or he's the next Bond, and he's just taking the piss. 'Why don't they ask *me*?' with a wink. I don't think this is Owenology. I think it's really very hard to tell whether Owen is in the running or not. My instinct is he was but isn't now, but it is quite impossible to tell from his statements, and that would be the case with the next Bond if he were asked about it. As I say, I'm not confident it will be Owen. But I'm pretty sure it won't be McMahon, Craig or Jackman.

Dancy. September 1.

[Stephenson]

I do find it amusing that when different actors use the same tactics, perceptions change:

1. Owen is as vague as possible for as long as possible, so "he must have it", until he says he's never been contacted but would like to do it, which means he definitely (maybe) has it. The fact that he would be using the connection to Bond for publiciity is debated, since he is already a "big" star.

2. Craig says he's been in talks and it is taken as a serious indication that he is in the running, possibly even a finalist. Much is made of the "coincidental" nature of his timing, seeing as "Layer Cake" is coming out in the States, but he is not really criticized for it.

3. Both Jackman and Butler come out and say they would like to do it, but have not been contacted, and while their suitability for the role is often discussed, the implications of their comments are pretty much ignored.

4. McMahon responds to a question that is no doubt asked at a press junket for Fantastic Four, and responds with "I've been in talks". It is decided that he is a self-promoting and his admission that he has been part of the process immediately excludes him from canidacy.

Not naming names, but it is an interesting phenomena to watch

[Seannery]

[quote name='spynovelfan' date='9 June 2005 - 16:14'][quote name='Seannery' date='9 June 2005 - 14:24']I agree that by his interviews you can't rule Clive out or in for Bond.

[Seannery]

I do find it amusing that when different actors use the same tactics, perceptions change:

1. Owen is as vague as possible for as long as possible, so "he must have it", until he says he's never been contacted but would like to do it, which means he definitely (maybe) has it. The fact that he would be using the connection to Bond for publiciity is debated, since he is already a "big" star.

2. Craig says he's been in talks and it is taken as a serious indication that he is in the running, possibly even a finalist. Much is made of the "coincidental" nature of his timing, seeing as "Layer Cake" is coming out in the States, but he is not really criticized for it.

3. Both Jackman and Butler come out and say they would like to do it, but have not been contacted, and while their suitability for the role is often discussed, the implications of their comments are pretty much ignored.

4. McMahon responds to a question that is no doubt asked at a press junket for Fantastic Four, and responds with "I've been in talks". It is decided that he is a self-promoting and his admission that he has been part of the process immediately excludes him from canidacy.

Not naming names, but it is an interesting phenomena to watch

Very good Stephenson. One specific I would mention while not being judgemental on them but my take would be the same with Craig and McMahon--if they say they are candidates then they aren't. At least NOT any more.

[spynovelfan]

I do find it amusing that when different actors use the same tactics, perceptions change:

1. Owen is as vague as possible for as long as possible, so "he must have it",

Who are you quoting? Nobody's ever said anything like that. Presumably you think I've said something like it in this thread. What I have actually said, though, is 'One theory might be...', 'I'm not confident it will be Owen' and 'It may well not be Owen'. Hardly 'he must have it', really, is it?

until he says he's never been contacted but would like to do it,

But he's also said he has been contacted. And I don't think it's beyond the relams of possibility at all that Owen was taking the piss. As I say, I really don't think that's 'Owenology' - how can it be, as I'm suggesting he might be saying he doesn't want the role and was being sarcastic? I tihnk it's Owen's sense of humour, having sat on the fence for about eight years in every single interview to suddenly say 'I've always dreamed about playing Bond! Why won't they even consider me?' With a huge grin on his face. Which didn't get into the women's mag.

which means he definitely (maybe) has it. The fact that he would be using the connection to Bond for publiciity is debated, since he is already a "big" star.

Debated, sure. Some people say he's too big a star to need the publicity, some have said he needs it. I'm not going to bother finding the quotes, but they have.

2. Craig says he's been in talks and it is taken as a serious indication that he is in the running, possibly even a finalist. Much is made of the "coincidental" nature of his timing, seeing as "Layer Cake" is coming out in the States, but he is not really criticized for it.

Again, yes he was. And lots of people made the very same point when there was a link to a news article in which he said he had been approached, but wasn't sure. Plenty of posters said that probably meant he hadn't got it. Can't be bothered to search for it, but it happened.

3. Both Jackman and Butler come out and say they would like to do it, but have not been contacted, and while their suitability for the role is often discussed, the implications of their comments are pretty much ignored.

What implication? I've said dozens of times that Jackman doesn't seem to be a credible candidate, 1 because he's a huge star, 2. Because he has massive committments to Disney and others and 3. All the rumours stem from one off-the-cuff comment a few years back, and there's never been the least bit of evidence that he has been considered. Owen has previously admitted he had 15 minutes with the Broccolis. Butler I see as being a solid, if uninspired choice, but there's no evidence he's under consideration either. It's natural that if an actor *claims* they're under consideration it's discussed. With all the other actors - Davenport, Dancy, Gruffudd, Lewis and all the rest that have been mentioned - isn't it just a given that we have no idea if they have been approached?

4. McMahon responds to a question that is no doubt asked at a press junket for Fantastic Four, and responds with "I've been in talks". It is decided that he is a self-promoting and his admission that he has been part of the process immediately excludes him from canidacy.

People made the same comments about Craig and Owen at the time of theit remarks, as well. In *this very thread*, Bondesque wrote:

'McMahon is using the hollywood tactic of using the Bond mania to bring attention to his own career and his new movie Fantastic Four. Craig did it with Layer Cake, Brozzie with After the Sunset, Owen with Sin City, etc. It is smart marketing on thier part. '

Not naming names, but it is an interesting phenomena to watch

Not naming names, but I think anything's an interesting phenomenon if you exaggerate, misrepresent, cherry-pick and make up what people have been saying.

[DLibrasnow]

I do find it amusing that when different actors use the same tactics, perceptions change:
4. McMahon responds to a question that is no doubt asked at a press junket for Fantastic Four, and responds with "I've been in talks". It is decided that he is a self-promoting and his admission that he has been part of the process immediately excludes him from canidacy.

Not naming names, but it is an interesting phenomena to watch

Right, some people in this thread should keep their opinions to themselves. I am pretty much disgusted and disappointed with some of the viscious anti-McMahon comments by some of the people who should know better in this thread.

I guess CBn is trying to compete with Mi6 in the nasty comments, totalitarian and unpleasant atmosphere stakes.

[tdalton]

I think the situation for Julian McMahon is very much the same for Daniel Craig as well. They both said that they were in talks with EON (Craig even claimed to have been offered the role by Sony), so that just simply means that both of them are out of the "race", as EON wants secrecy and has supposedly shown before that they will drop their Bond if he announces that he's negotiated before they're ready to introduce him as the next James Bond.

Nothing against McMahon and Craig, but they're both out of it now.

[Stephenson]

My post wasn't directed a one person, spynovelfan. No need to be so sensitive. I was addressing a general trend that I see happening in various forums. Which is why I wasn't "naming any names".

My point was simply what I said: we find it very hard to be ojective when we are interpreting the same actions committed by different actors. When we like the actor, we judge them kindly; when we dislike the actor we interpret their actions "unkindly" even though they were the same actions. I was staying general on purpose, because (as you mention) there are always exceptions. As for Bondesque's post, he is an excellent example of the exception, but unfortunately one that I did not see before I posted mine.

Edited by Stephenson, 09 June 2005 - 04:16 PM.

[Jim]

I do find it amusing that when different actors use the same tactics, perceptions change:
4. McMahon responds to a question that is no doubt asked at a press junket for Fantastic Four, and responds with "I've been in talks". It is decided that he is a self-promoting and his admission that he has been part of the process immediately excludes him from canidacy.

Not naming names, but it is an interesting phenomena to watch

Right, some people in this thread should keep their opinions to themselves. I am pretty much disgusted and disappointed with some of the viscious anti-McMahon comments by some of the people who should know better in this thread.

I guess CBn is trying to compete with Mi6 in the nasty comments, totalitarian and unpleasant atmosphere stakes.

Not sure that sweetens the atmosphere any. Your comments are noted.