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Michael G. Wilson talks Casino Royale


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#91 Agent Provocateur

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Posted 18 May 2005 - 09:30 PM

Where the hell did that come from?  :)
Try saying with a smile next time, or stop assuming you understand my opinion based on a couple of my posts.

As for "going with the flow, dude" that is exactly what I am advocating, if you would bother to read what I wrote before: Eon doesn't care about continuity, so why should we? Next time I want a lecture I'll ask for it.

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Okay... where to begin?

First of all, I didn't say it with a smile because I was serious. Second, I thought that was the whole reason for posting: to make your opinion known. If your opinion doesn't coherently come through in your post, then maybe you aren't communicating effectively. (?) My post was not a personal attack on you. I was simply stating my opinion (hence the post I made). In a nutshell, I was saying you can't expect to have the same exact Bond each and every time after all these years and after 20+ movies. (Was Moore's Bond exactly like Connery's? Was Dalton's exactly like Moore's? The answer here is an unequivical no.) Another thing to keep in mind is that Bond changes with the times. It's called keeping up to date. Otherwise, Bond grows stagnant and stale. This probably accounts for Bond now wearing Italian suits, wearing a different watch, knowing Wade AND Leiter (who said it was "instead of"?), and not smoking cigarettes (although he does smoke a cigar in DAD). The point I got from your post which I quoted is that you are dissatisfied with the level of continuity within the films (especially with the Brosnan Bonds). I was simply pointing out how there is no way such a high standard can be achieved for such a long period of time. If minute details like who he knows, what his past experiences are, and what he wears is of the highest priority for you, then it will probably drive you insane when you notice the lack of continuity througout the years.

Lecture over.

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Posted 18 May 2005 - 10:25 PM

[quote name='Agent Provocateur' date='18 May 2005 - 15:30'][quote name='Stephenson (canoe2)' date='18 May 2005 - 15:03']Where the hell did that come from?

Edited by Stephenson (canoe2), 18 May 2005 - 10:27 PM.


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Posted 19 May 2005 - 12:49 AM

Does anyone know, is there actually casino gambling in either South Africa or the Czech Republic? It might help narrow down the potential locations for Casino Royale (the structure, not the film)...

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 02:26 AM

If Judy Dench back in CR ,Brosnan could be back too.Seems like what Dench says earlier about Brosnan returning is indeed true.

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 02:58 AM

If Judy Dench back in CR ,Brosnan could be back too.Seems like what Dench says earlier about Brosnan returning is indeed true.

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I don't think that it means anything. Just because Dench is coming back doesn't mean that Brosnan is. If they brought Pierce back, after all of this mess about finding a new Bond, that would bring a whole new meaning to the word "stagnant".

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 03:20 AM

Does anyone know, is there actually casino gambling in either South Africa or the Czech Republic?  It might help narrow down the potential locations for Casino Royale (the structure, not the film)...

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Hmm... Bond gambling in South Africa and Czech republic would be cool... as long as it doesn't take up most of the film.

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 08:40 AM

Does anyone know, is there actually casino gambling in either South Africa or the Czech Republic?  It might help narrow down the potential locations for Casino Royale (the structure, not the film)...

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Yeah, I once went to a Casino in Prague. Not exctly in Bond's league, but I'm sure there are fancy ones there too.

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 10:55 AM

How is this for "Baseless Negativity".

I predict that CR is going to be absolutely crap and we will all be extremely disappointed and saddened. Wilson and Co are going to destroy one of the finest and most important of the novels with their complete idiocy and total disrespect for the spirit of Fleming's work.

The fact that there is no mention of location shooting in France is only the first nail in the coffin.

#99 spynovelfan

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 11:07 AM

Aren't there casinos in Sun City?

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 11:50 AM

How is this for "Baseless Negativity".

I predict that CR is going to be absolutely crap and we will all be extremely disappointed and saddened. Wilson and Co are going to destroy one of the finest and most important of the novels with their complete idiocy and total disrespect for the spirit of Fleming's work.

The fact that there is no mention of location shooting in France is only the first nail in the coffin.

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How is this for "Justified Positivity":

I predict that CR is going to be absolutely wonderful and we will all be extremely satisfied and relieved. Wilson and Co have managed to keep our beloved franchise alive for so many years and will update the novel (which is more of a novella with no filmable plot) with panache and an interesting mix of old and new elements in the spirit of Fleming

#101 Skudor

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 12:06 PM

Aren't there casinos in Sun City?

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I don't think we should assume that because Prague and SA have been mentioned now, that this precludes France as a location, or that Prague might not double as France.

South Africa sounds like a great location to me - and will no doubt provide something interesting to the plot.

#102 Simon

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 12:55 PM

Only thing that worries me about what Michael Wilson had to say is that South Africa and Prague are in fact the locations, which means that they're not staying faithful to the locations in the book, which would be Southern France. 

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Northern France.

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 12:57 PM

.............. Brosnan was told he wasn't wanted back at the end of 2003/early 2004. So what has Eon been doing for a year and a half?

I fear Casino Royale could be a mess with a rushed production. .

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Well, either they're not doing much, or they're rushed! Which way are you going?

#104 Skudor

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 01:42 PM

I think we're all hoping that the extra time has given them some breathing space to do a good job with the story - not more time to paste some silly, plot destroying gimmicks in. I will continue to hope, but with subdued expectations.

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 02:15 PM

[quote name='Simon' date='19 May 2005 - 07:55'][quote name='tdalton' date='18 May 2005 - 16:03']Only thing that worries me about what Michael Wilson had to say is that South Africa and Prague are in fact the locations, which means that they're not staying faithful to the locations in the book, which would be Southern France.

#106 tdalton

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 02:38 PM

How is this for "Baseless Negativity".

I predict that CR is going to be absolutely crap and we will all be extremely disappointed and saddened. Wilson and Co are going to destroy one of the finest and most important of the novels with their complete idiocy and total disrespect for the spirit of Fleming's work.

The fact that there is no mention of location shooting in France is only the first nail in the coffin.

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I don't think that this negativity is baseless at all. There hasn't been anything to really suggest that they're on the right track with this film. I have to say that I'm nervous about how they're going to approach it, since the series is obviously at a crossroad. I agree that it's not good that there's not going to be any shooting in France.

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 03:12 PM

I agree that it's not good that there's not going to be any shooting in France.

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And who said that?

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 03:43 PM

They can easily do a one-two week shoot in Northern France to get external location footage. They did that with Goldeneye. Some of the crew went to St. Petersburg and filmed the city and some of its streets, and that was edited in with the footage shot on the fake St. Petersburg 'set' in England. So we should see some shots of Northern France in the film.

One other thing - it's possible the screenwriters could alter the location of the casino and make it southern France. That might look more attractive what with the sunnier climate down there.

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 04:09 PM

I'm just glad that Bond's is going to South Africa. It's so so beautiful there. And this year I was thinking (all because of watching The Amazing Race & Next Top Model, both of which had moments in Cape Town, South Africa) how great it would be if Bond were to go there... now get this movie made. :)

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 04:14 PM

Re this discussion about France...

The film will start shooting in about 9 months. Very much time. Maybe Prague and South Africa are - at this point of time - the only locations Eon is sure about. Maybe these locales are the only ones Eon has made treaties with. If they only went to two diffetent countries, it wouldn't be a Bond film :)

So keep cool, because, was nicht ist, kann ja noch werden :) :)

#111 tdalton

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 04:50 PM

I agree that it's not good that there's not going to be any shooting in France.

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And who said that?

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I just wish that there was going to be a 100% faithful adaptation of CR to be made for the big screen, hence my frustration with there being any locations that are not in the novel.

Maybe EON should start a separate series of films and make faithful film adaptations of the novels. They could be made with very low budgets (most of them, anyway), and could be released in smaller theaters (art houses, or whatever) as a way to augment the series.

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 05:32 PM

I just wish that there was going to be a 100% faithful adaptation of CR to be made for the big screen,

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Seriously tdalton - how many times have EON faithfully adpated a Fleming novel? I count perhaps three - OHMSS, FRWL and DN and even those didn't follow the novels precisely.

This belief from some fans that because CR is being used as the title means that we will get an adaptation of the book has me shaking my head in amazement. Just look at EONs track record when it comes to titles...
What relationship does the movie MOONRAKER have to the novel? What relationship does YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE have to the Fleming novel? Excuse me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall a hollowed out volcano in the book.

#113 Loomis

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 05:53 PM

"Halle Berry won't reprise, but I'd love to make another film with her."

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Halle Berry won't reprise? Wow, what a shocker. I'd been wondering about that one - cheers for clearing it up.

Of course, what we would all like to know is whether Pierce Brosnan will reprise - even now, it seems that Eon won't officially and unequivocally rule him out. Interesting that one of Wilson's mystery answers-without-questions wasn't "No, definitely not". :)

*Sigh* I fail to see what's so great about Judi Dench's M. I guess this means we're in for another dose of those other poorly-conceived and annoying "characters", Samantha Bond's Moneypenny and Colin Salmon's Robinson (and another large dose, since they seem to get more screentime than Bond). Perhaps they should just go the whole hog and give Bond a Crazy Frog ringtone to go with whichever mobile phone he'll be promoting as product placement, since they're evidently determined to irritate the heck out of Fleming-thumping purists like yours truly. Again. Pass the benzedrine. :)

I guess we'd better get ready for the announcement this summer that Brosnan will be back, which Dench has already clearly and unambiguously blabbed.

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 06:21 PM

I just wish that there was going to be a 100% faithful adaptation of CR to be made for the big screen,

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Seriously tdalton - how many times have EON faithfully adpated a Fleming novel? I count perhaps three - OHMSS, FRWL and DN and even those didn't follow the novels precisely.

This belief from some fans that because CR is being used as the title means that we will get an adaptation of the book has me shaking my head in amazement. Just look at EONs track record when it comes to titles...
What relationship does the movie MOONRAKER have to the novel? What relationship does YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE have to the Fleming novel? Excuse me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall a hollowed out volcano in the book.

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I know that there's not a great track record for faithfulness to the source material, but I just WISH that they would go that route for CR. I know that they're not going to, but I would like to see that, hence the suggestion for a separate series of book adaptations.

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 07:17 PM

A possible South African plot:

A sinister plot which has echoes of A View to a Kill.

James Bond unearths a plan to flood a major goldmine in South Africa by drilling into an underground lake, so the owner makes billions when the value of gold rockets on the international markets. However, 007 is diverted by beautiful Bond girl, Terry Steyner. When Bond uncovers the truth, he must race against time to foil the plot.

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 07:56 PM

A possible South African plot:

A sinister plot which has echoes of A View to a Kill.

James Bond unearths a plan to flood a major goldmine in South Africa by drilling into an underground lake, so the owner makes billions when the value of gold rockets on the international markets. However, 007 is diverted by beautiful Bond girl, Terry Steyner. When Bond uncovers the truth, he must race against time to foil the plot.

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Why would they remake GOLD?

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 08:48 PM

A possible South African plot:

A sinister plot which has echoes of A View to a Kill.

James Bond unearths a plan to flood a major goldmine in South Africa by drilling into an underground lake, so the owner makes billions when the value of gold rockets on the international markets. However, 007 is diverted by beautiful Bond girl, Terry Steyner. When Bond uncovers the truth, he must race against time to foil the plot.

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And a hint of Goldfinger...

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 09:32 PM

An idea I posted here a while back. Rename Carl Butler as Le Chiffre, and Melissa Lane or Laura Chevalier as, er, Vesper Lynd, and you're away. Maybe. :) Oh, and change the title and chuck a casino into the film somewhere, too. :)

TITLE: The Things I Do For England (spoken not by Bond, but by a villain who longs for the days when Britannia ruled the waves).
RELEASE DATE: November 2006.
BOND: Clive Owen.
VILLAIN: Carl Butler (Ricky Gervais).
HENCHMAN: The Invisible Man (Takeshi Kaneshiro).
GIRLS: Melissa Lane, a human rights journalist from Australia (Naomi Watts), as well as French agent Laura Chevalier (Audrey Tautou).
OTHERS: Felix Leiter.
REGULARS: M (Roshan Seth), Moneypenny (Stacey Roca), no Q for this one, thanks. Robinson? Who's he?
DIRECTOR: Stephen Frears.
SCORE: John Barry.
PLOT: Sent to stop the assassination of an African leader, James Bond finds himself the target of a ruthless British industrialist and weapons dealer, Carl Butler, and uncovers a sinister conspiracy to revive the British Empire by recolonising Africa, a scheme in which even the new M may be implicated. Branded a rogue agent by M and a shady British politician (Charles Dance, possibly), Bond at one point finds himself fleeing other Double-O agents ordered to eliminate him.
LOCATIONS:
Some African hellhole(s), presumably given pseudonyms a la Isthmus City
London
Paris
Australia
South Africa.
CLIMAX: An incredibly edge-of-seat, vertigo-inducing fight between Bond and a mysterious assassin known as The Invisible Man, involving the Table Mountain Aerial Cableway in South Africa (http://www.tablemoun.../main/index.asp) - a bit of a MOONRAKER steal, I guess, but it could be made to seem fresh by taking place at night.
PRE-TITLE SEQUENCE: Bond foils The Invisible Man's attempt on the life of an African leader.
A BOND FILM IN THE SPIRIT OF: THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS.
POSSIBLE QUIBBLES: Too many villains in this one, with an excessively elaborate and far-fetched scheme?
POSSIBLE STRENGTHS: Bond in Africa and Australia, a reasonably ripped-from-the-headlines story (mercenaries up to no good, the allegations against Sir Mark Thatcher), amazing action scenes.

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 09:35 PM

Just an observation test

Spynovel you pass. Skudor you are dead right too, very similar to Goldfinger.

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 09:57 PM

A possible South African plot:

A sinister plot which has echoes of A View to a Kill.

James Bond unearths a plan to flood a major goldmine in South Africa by drilling into an underground lake, so the owner makes billions when the value of gold rockets on the international markets. However, 007 is diverted by beautiful Bond girl, Terry Steyner. When Bond uncovers the truth, he must race against time to foil the plot.

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And a hint of Goldfinger...

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Sounds VERY similar to the Roger Moore movie GOLD! LOL

Nice one Skudor, I'm surprised no other fans had noted the total rip off the 1970s movie plot.