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[TheSaint]

This is getting really annoying. Theoretically, we should be gearing up for a Bond film at the end of this year, Brosnan's last, with the new guy being introduced in the next film due in 2007. Please let this all be rumor, and Casino comes out next year. Sure, this screws up the coolness of having a Bond film out in 2007 but, I'm TIRED of waiting!

What would be ironic is if Casino was delayed until 2007, and it ended up sucking the baloney pony!

[Tarl_Cabot]

This is getting really annoying. Theoretically, we should be gearing up for a Bond film at the end of this year, Brosnan's last, with the new guy being introduced in the next film due in 2007. Please let this all be rumor, and Casino comes out next year. Sure, this screws up the coolness of having a Bond film out in 2007 but, I'm TIRED of waiting!

What would be ironic is if Casino was delayed until 2007, and it ended up sucking the baloney pony!

What exactly would be ironic about that? It happened last time with DAD.

[Taro Todoroki]

This thought just hit me. First, all the endless delays with CR. Then a possible power struggle between Sony and Eon after the MGM sale. Now Cubby's house is up for sale. Could Eon be up for sale next? Do Michael and Babs want out?

[North Scorpion]

This could end one of two ways: a disastrous film, cobbled together from various sources, or a reinvention of the franchise a la 'Goldeneye'.

[zencat]

Has anyone yet speculated that this delay might be because they've chosen their Bond and have adjusted the shooting schedule to accommodate the actor and other projects?

(I don't think this is the case -- but I guess it is a possibility we could consider.)

[Blofeld's Cat]

Variety has just published an updated version of the article. The only addition of note is this paragraph.

As recently as a few days ago, Bond's producers were understood still to be juggling their options between Barrandov, Ciudad De La Luz in Alicante, Spain, and South Africa, with a view to start pre-production this summer.

South Africa!?

Man, scouting locations there was THE very first rumour for Bond 21.

[tdalton]

[quote name='Roger_Moore's_Bad_Facelift' date='17 May 2005 - 20:20']You also fail to take into account that after he's done with Zorro and looks at CR, he might bring in an outside writer or two to do a brush up. Also, just because this movie is based on a novel, the creative process isn't necessarily expediated (as you so claim). As I recall, there is not all that much plot even in CR for P&W to work with. They have to inflate the story to make a satisfying 2 hour movie out of it.
These things take time.

[/quote]

Having a basic idea to work with should make for somewhat quicker work since they don't have to devise an entirely original storyline for the film. Inflating the CR storyline shouldn't take as much time as devising a totally original script.

[quote]Y'know, I find you to make just waaaay too many dogmatic assertions around here. Every other post out of your mouth is either "Cubby is God" or "Mike & Babs have shot the series straight to hell".
There's no middle ground with you.
When was the last time you genuinely enjoyed yourself at a Bond film?
1962's "Dr. No"?
What a consumate pessimist.

Edited by tdalton, 18 May 2005 - 04:03 AM.

[Bondian]

Has anyone read this?.

http://www.commander...item&item=23102


Could this be the reason for the put back?.

"We are reviewing the tax for larger films, and the need for stability is why the current tax relief system will stay in place for lower-budget films until 2006."

[trumanlodge89]

as much as id lone to see bond start filming later this year, i think maybe slowing down a bit would be good for the franchise. i think we can all agree that TWINE and DAD, while box office smashes, were less than perfect films. i think id rather have a great bond film every 4 or 5 years than a mediocre one every 2 or 3 years.

[tdalton]

More baseless negativity.
Frankly, you don't know if EON has had problems casting the new James Bond or not.
All that EON has let known is that they're not letting anything be known (minus the formal Campbell-is-our-director announcement).
I personally believe that the pivotal Bond casting decision (along with many of the primary creative decisions) will be made in collaboration with the film's director, Campbell.

This is just an example of baseless optimism. I don't know what your problem with me is, but it seems like you think I'm an idiot just because I have an opinion that's different from yours.

[Bondian]

Hey chaps. I think we all need a holiday.

Now, where shall we go...Prague?.

I doubt very much that EON would move production to Prague, purely because Michael and Barbara can just crawl out of bed in the morning and have their early morning cup-of-tea on-set. I would of though that B&B would be quite high in Prague.

Just thought I'd sprinkle some dust on this topic.

Cheers,


Ian

[tdalton]

I doubt very much that EON would move production to Prague, purely because Michael and Barbara can just crawl out of bed in the morning and have their early morning cup-of-tea on-set.

It wouldn't surprise me, but I guess I'm not allowed to say that as it could be thought of as "baseless negativity".

I'm not against Barbara Brocolli and Michael G. Wilson, but they didn't get the job done with DAD and it doesn't really look like CR is on the right track either. Hope to be proven wrong, though.

[Bondian]

It wouldn't surprise me, but I guess I'm not allowed to say that as it could be thought of as "baseless negativity".

He-he.

I just think Pinewood is the home of Bond, and why move when 'we're' supposed to have the best crew in the world?.

I was stunned whilst watching the making of 'Phantom of The Opera' how good the sets were, and the short time they were built. I think EON would prefer quality over just saving money.

I'm not against Barbara Brocolli and Michael G. Wilson, but they didn't get the job done with DAD and it doesn't really look like CR is on the right track either.  Hope to be proven wrong, though.

Shhhh. You'll be in for it again.

At this stage we haven't heard a dickie-bird from EON, so we should sit tight until we hear some official news.

Cheers,


Ian

[tdalton]

Actually, now that I think about it, the negativity that some of us have displayed is not baseless. Here's the base for it:

1. When CR arrives in 2007, it will have been 5 years between Bond films. That's too long.

2. It was announced that Pierce wasn't coming back over 2 years ago (although not officially, but the search appeared to have begun around that time), so we should have a Bond right now.

3. As others have said, we should be gearing up for Bond 21 starring Pierce Brosnan arriving in theaters this fall. Instead, we don't even know who Bond is, let alone when or if we're actually going to get another film.

4. This is the first time that Babs and Michael have been in charge of casting 007, which is cause enough for nervousness.

[SecretAgentFan]

Again, let

[J J]

'Casino Royale' Shift Back to 2007? Shooting start delayed to Summer 2006 according to Variety

A new derail?

http://www.variety.c...egoryID=13&cs=1

Actually, the VAriety article does NOT say shooting may be postponed to Summer 06.

What it does say is: <<<...it became clear that CR won't be ready to start shooting until early 2006... We're awaiting our director Martin Campbell, who should come aboard in June [05 that is!], and we hope to start shooting in January 2006, although there's no definitive date.>>

The 'Summer' bit is a definite misquote of Variety's article... it's not in the article!

In my book this news doesn't change anything and the film is still on track for a release in November 06!

Edited by J J, 18 May 2005 - 08:04 AM.

[SecretAgentFan]

Thank you , J.J. Absolutely right!!!!

[SeanValen00V]

as much as id lone to see bond start filming later this year, i think maybe slowing down a bit would be good for the franchise. i think we can all agree that TWINE and DAD, while box office smashes, were less than perfect films. i think id rather have a great bond film every 4 or 5 years than a mediocre one every 2 or 3 years.

LOL, you think the gaps between films=quality. TWINE, DAD you can are less then perfect, I agree, however TND was a rushjob, 2 years after Goldeneye, and TND was still decent, no matter how you cut it, they had a year off doing nothing after TWINE, then they start planning DAD, the problem becomes what idiot lets characters like Jinx and Christmas jones into the mix??????????//MGM or EON, somewhere in the middle creatively comprimised the film, I say the longer the gap LOL, the bigger chances of someone coming in and making dumb changes to the script, creatively there's not much control for quality for it, they can take 5 years, but 3 of those years would be spend doing nothing, relaxing, and they'll start work 2 years before the release date, as usual.


The fanchise of Bond shouldn't of been in this mess, they could of made better films and they can still, all we have got is long waits and creatively comprimised films, when will it end.

Edited by SeanValen00V, 18 May 2005 - 08:55 AM.

[Skudor]

'Casino Royale' Shift Back to 2007? Shooting start delayed to Summer 2006 according to Variety

A new derail?

http://www.variety.c...egoryID=13&cs=1

Actually, the VAriety article does NOT say shooting may be postponed to Summer 06.

What it does say is: <<<...it became clear that CR won't be ready to start shooting until early 2006... We're awaiting our director Martin Campbell, who should come aboard in June [05 that is!], and we hope to start shooting in January 2006, although there's no definitive date.>>

The 'Summer' bit is a definite misquote of Variety's article... it's not in the article!

In my book this news doesn't change anything and the film is still on track for a release in November 06!

So CBn misqouted Variety?

[Tim007]

'Casino Royale' Shift Back to 2007? Shooting start delayed to Summer 2006 according to Variety

A new derail?

http://www.variety.c...egoryID=13&cs=1

Actually, the VAriety article does NOT say shooting may be postponed to Summer 06.

What it does say is: <<<...it became clear that CR won't be ready to start shooting until early 2006... We're awaiting our director Martin Campbell, who should come aboard in June [05 that is!], and we hope to start shooting in January 2006, although there's no definitive date.>>

The 'Summer' bit is a definite misquote of Variety's article... it's not in the article!

In my book this news doesn't change anything and the film is still on track for a release in November 06!

So CBn misqouted Variety?

No. Variety has changed its article. It originally said "Summer", now they have changed it to "early 2006".

[Skudor]

Ah that explains it... I didn't think you guys would get it wrong!

If filming is still due to start in early 2006, as expected, we should be looking at a Nov 2006 premiere, as previously believed.

[Bon-san]

'Casino Royale' Shift Back to 2007? Shooting start delayed to Summer 2006 according to Variety

A new derail?

http://www.variety.c...egoryID=13&cs=1

Actually, the VAriety article does NOT say shooting may be postponed to Summer 06.

What it does say is: <<<...it became clear that CR won't be ready to start shooting until early 2006... We're awaiting our director Martin Campbell, who should come aboard in June [05 that is!], and we hope to start shooting in January 2006, although there's no definitive date.>>

The 'Summer' bit is a definite misquote of Variety's article... it's not in the article!

In my book this news doesn't change anything and the film is still on track for a release in November 06!

So CBn misqouted Variety?

No. Variety has changed its article. It originally said "Summer", now they have changed it to "early 2006".

Quite right, Tim.

Here's the lead paragraphs of the initial edition of the article (posted on the Variety website yesterday): {note: italics are mine]

'As word circulates along the Croisette that the next James Bond pic is set to move from its historic U.K. production base to Prague's Barrandov Studios, sources close to the production have told Variety that "Casino Royale" will begin its shoot in the summer of 2006, rather than later this year as has been erroneously reported.

An Eon spokesperson in London was tight-lipped about the move to Barrandov, commenting only, "we haven't confirmed any of our locations for 'Casino Royale.'" But sources close to Variety confirm the deal is done. The lead is still not cast.'

And here's the lead paragraphs from the "revised" edition of the article (posted on the Variety website today): [again, italics are mine]

'As word circulated along the Croisette that the next James Bond pic is in advanced talks to move from its historic U.K. production base at Pinewood to Prague's Barrandov Studios, it became clear that "Casino Royale" won't be ready to start shooting until early 2006.
As recently as a few days ago, Bond's producers were understood to be still juggling their options between Barrandov, Ciudad de la Luz in Alicante, Spain and South Africa, with a view to start pre-productionpre-production this summer.

Several sources close to the production said Pinewood was no longer part of the equation.

An Eon reprep in London was tight-lipped about the move to Barrandov, commenting, "We haven't confirmed any of our locations for 'Casino Royale.' We're awaiting our director Martin Campbell, who should come aboard in June, and we hope to start shooting in January 2006, although there's no definitive date."'


So it seems Variety's "sources close to the production" revised their information, or perhaps Variety got some feedback from other sources.

In any event, it appears that plans remain to begin shooting in early January 2006, for a Fall 2006 release date. So there's apparently no need to fret any delays.

[Seannery]

'Casino Royale' Shift Back to 2007? Shooting start delayed to Summer 2006 according to Variety

A new derail?

http://www.variety.c...egoryID=13&cs=1

Actually, the VAriety article does NOT say shooting may be postponed to Summer 06.

What it does say is: <<<...it became clear that CR won't be ready to start shooting until early 2006... We're awaiting our director Martin Campbell, who should come aboard in June [05 that is!], and we hope to start shooting in January 2006, although there's no definitive date.>>

The 'Summer' bit is a definite misquote of Variety's article... it's not in the article!

In my book this news doesn't change anything and the film is still on track for a release in November 06!

So CBn misqouted Variety?

No. Variety has changed its article. It originally said "Summer", now they have changed it to "early 2006".

Quite right, Tim.

Here's the lead paragraphs of the initial edition of the article (posted on the Variety website yesterday): {note: italics are mine]

'As word circulates along the Croisette that the next James Bond pic is set to move from its historic U.K. production base to Prague's Barrandov Studios, sources close to the production have told Variety that "Casino Royale" will begin its shoot in the summer of 2006, rather than later this year as has been erroneously reported.

An Eon spokesperson in London was tight-lipped about the move to Barrandov, commenting only, "we haven't confirmed any of our locations for 'Casino Royale.'" But sources close to Variety confirm the deal is done. The lead is still not cast.'

And here's the lead paragraphs from the "revised" edition of the article (posted on the Variety website today): [again, italics are mine]

'As word circulated along the Croisette that the next James Bond pic is in advanced talks to move from its historic U.K. production base at Pinewood to Prague's Barrandov Studios, it became clear that "Casino Royale" won't be ready to start shooting until early 2006.
As recently as a few days ago, Bond's producers were understood to be still juggling their options between Barrandov, Ciudad de la Luz in Alicante, Spain and South Africa, with a view to start pre-productionpre-production this summer.

Several sources close to the production said Pinewood was no longer part of the equation.

An Eon reprep in London was tight-lipped about the move to Barrandov, commenting, "We haven't confirmed any of our locations for 'Casino Royale.' We're awaiting our director Martin Campbell, who should come aboard in June, and we hope to start shooting in January 2006, although there's no definitive date."'


So it seems Variety's "sources close to the production" revised their information, or perhaps Variety got some feedback from other sources.

In any event, it appears that plans remain to begin shooting in early January 2006, for a Fall 2006 release date. So there's apparently no need to fret any delays.

Bon-san my friend!! We were correct in expressing caution yesterday concerning the accuracy of this report about the delay --you even more than myself. Good show! It definitely wasn't anything official. I was also correct in saying Eon/Sony would have to respond to this rumor quickly since it was a big change--BUT i'm suprised Michael Wilson did so the very next day! Good job Mr. Mike.


I'm very happy today--no more delays and we'll know the new Bond sooner rather that later. Yeah Baby! I could easily have survived waiting BUT I much prefer a late 2006 release. Lets get it on.


Also good call Tim on using the question mark in your story!

[Bon-san]

I could easily have survived waiting BUT I much prefer a late 2006 release.  Lets get it on.

Indeed!

[Tim007]

Also good call Tim on using the question mark in your story!

Thanks Seannery We had a bizarre feeling about it, since our sources never mentioned a 2007 date before.


Everyone please note: I have moved all posts regarding the Wilson speak to an own thread, which can be found here

So please head there to discuss the new developments, this thread just got a bit too complex.

[Seannery]

Great! That shows Cbn sources are pretty much on the ball. Good to know.


And for us regular folks with no sources it just makes sense to be skeptical of ANYTHING we don't know firsthand.