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[tdalton]

Maybe they could change James Bond's number from 007 to 008 and release Casino Royale in 2008.


Just kidding.

[zencat]

[quote name='Seannery' date='17 May 2005 - 10:44'][quote name='zencat' date='17 May 2005 - 18:26'][quote name='Seannery' date='17 May 2005 - 10:17']I don't remember--Did TND start filming in the Summer of 1997 for a November 1997 release?

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[Genrewriter]

Absolutely. We don't need a Bond film made at the speed of a Roger Corman film. Rush jobs usually aren't all that great. TND and Lethal Weapon 4 are really the only two I can think of that really ended up decent.

[Seannery]

[quote name='zencat' date='17 May 2005 - 19:01'][quote name='Seannery' date='17 May 2005 - 10:44'][quote name='zencat' date='17 May 2005 - 18:26'][quote name='Seannery' date='17 May 2005 - 10:17']I don't remember--Did TND start filming in the Summer of 1997 for a November 1997 release?

[hrabb04]

Maybe we can have a double feature of films with Casino Royale and the 4th Indiana Jones movie and see if it coincides with hell freezing over.

[Loomis]

Maybe we can have a double feature of films with Casino Royale and the 4th Indiana Jones movie and see if it coincides with hell freezing over.

Yeah. I hear Stallone will be bringing out RAMBO IV and ROCKY VI at around the same time, too.

[Bon-san]

Am I just being naive in thinking that it would be prudent to wait for some sort of reliable, nay official confirmation of the "delay" news, before getting all bummed out?

[YOLT]

Someone deleted my topic: "Brosnan for 2 films in 2-007" yesterday. Today we can see that its a possibility.
I say insistly: There are going to be 2 Bond films related to each other. Both are going to be in 2-007. 007 will be Pierce Brosnan.

[Righty007]

I'm going to hate the wait but atleast we're getting Casino Royale in 2007!

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[Seannery]

Am I just being naive in thinking that it would be prudent to wait for some sort of reliable, nay official confirmation of the "delay" news, before getting all bummed out?

There's 2 of us at least though i'm not entirely optimistic.

[Frankie]

1- This throws all the "Who's the next Bond" speculations out the window. It's a new race now. However I think Clive Owen (The oldest of the seriously mentioned) would be eliminated from consideration.

2- They damn well better do Bond 22 for no later than a 2009 release.

[tdalton]

Once the actual filming starts for CR, then they should take their time on it to get it right. What I'm mad about is the fact that they're dragging their feet on getting the filming started. They've had 3 years to cast the new Bond, yet they've failed to do that in a timely fashion. They have the script done, they have the director in place, they're rumored to have already gotten the title song performer (or writer, or whatever) signed, they have locations picked out. Everything is done but casting, so why not get it cast now and start now, and take the rest of this year and some of next year to get it done right and to come out with a quality film for November 17, 2006? There's too much down time right now, and I sure hope that nobody at EON is getting paid right now, because there's not a bit of work being done in those offices.

[YOLT]

1- This throws all the "Who's the next Bond" speculations out the window. It's a new race now. However I think Clive Owen (The oldest of the seriously mentioned) would be eliminated from consideration.

2- They damn well better do Bond 22 for no later than a 2009 release.

Bond 22 will be in 2007. Bond 21 in January 2007 and Bond 22 in December 2007.

[Forever007]

Way to go EON, alienate your hardcore fans, allow Jason Bourne to get in another film and drag us all through the with all the rumours of late. If this is indeed true then there is DEFINITELY something going on between SONY and EON. Why would Sony want to push back it's 1st shot at Bond and it's big gross. There is probably creative differences combined with casting scheduling that has caused this delay. Wouldn't be surprised at all to see litigation by EON at some point if they are not "allowed" to run their ship their own way. If that's all true I hate the sale of MGM to SONY even more now.

Edited by Forever007, 17 May 2005 - 07:45 PM.

[tdalton]

Way to go EON, alienate your hardcore fans, allow Jason Bourne to get in another film and drag us all through the with all the rumours of late.  If this is indeed true then there is DEFINITELY something going on between SONY and EON.  Why would Sony want to push back it's 1st shot at Bond and it's big gross.  There is probably creative differences combined with casting scheduling that has caused this delay.  Wouldn't be surprised at all to see litigation by EON at some point if they are not "allowed" to run their ship their own way.  If that were true I hate the sale of MGM to SONY even more now.

Great point. Does anyone here realize that the first Bourne film came out around the same time as DAD, give or take a few months, and that series will be completed by the time CR arrives in theaters? That's just pathetic, and EON should be ashamed of themselves.

Let's look at the parallels here:

1. Both are based on a series of novels
2. Both are based around spies
3. Both are large scale productions that take a great deal of time to complete.

Yet, the people behind the Bourne films are on top of their game and are rushing theirs out onto the screen, and the quality is not lacking one bit. They're great movies, and they're being done at the speed at which Bond used to be able to do. It would be one thing if the producers had to come up with an entirely original script for CR, but they're working off of a novel, so there's no excuse for this delay. And now, they're going to take a tired and emotionally beaten-up Bond fanbase up against the third Bourne film in Summer 2007. I'm afraid to say this, but I'm not sure that this is a fight that Bond can win.

[Seannery]

[quote name='tdalton' date='17 May 2005 - 20:49'][quote name='Forever007' date='17 May 2005 - 14:45']Way to go EON, alienate your hardcore fans, allow Jason Bourne to get in another film and drag us all through the with all the rumours of late.

[Loomis]

Bond 22 will be in 2007. Bond 21 in January 2007 and Bond 22 in December 2007.

Where's the evidence for that?

[tdalton]

Matt Damon was interviewed recently and he said he's not going to do another Bourne right away--in fact it seems likely from his interview Bourne won't come out again until at least 2008.

That's a bummer. I was looking forward to the new Bourne film.

Still, the Bond producers should be ashamed that they were able to churn out two very good films in the time that it has taken to get a script done for CR.

[YOLT]

Bond 22 will be in 2007. Bond 21 in January 2007 and Bond 22 in December 2007.

Where's the evidence for that?

Trust me. Why do you think they waited this long? If its gone be in 2007 its going to be 2 films. Divide Casino Royale into two parts, call first Casino Royale and second Risico and here we have 2 Bond films related to each other. Have 007 (Pierce Brosnan), villian and the main girl in both films and spread the novel in to two films. More chracter development, more time to go deeper in the story. This delay shows that they are going to have 2 filmsin 2-007. We will see.

[tdalton]

Trust me. Why do you think they waited this long? If its gone be in 2007 its going to be 2 films. Divide Casino Royale into two parts, call first Casino Royale and second Risico and here we have 2 Bond films related to each other. Have 007 (Pierce Brosnan), villian and the main girl in both films and spread the novel in to two films. More chracter development, more time to go deeper in the story. This delay shows that they are going to have 2 filmsin 2-007. We will see.

There's no reason to think that that is the case at all. There has been a large gap because of the fact that, as Pierce said, there is a degree of "paralysis" at EON, and that they have no clue as to what they want to do next. The fact that they've had so much trouble just casting a James Bond shows that they are not the least bit capable of getting two films off the ground and into theaters in the same year.

[Stephenson]

I'm just going to toss this out: could this "report" from an unamed source actually be a ploy by Eon/Sony to pressure the British government into giving greater tax breaks? On the same day as this Variety report, which focuses a great deal of attention on economic benefits of working in Prague, we have a report from Cannes in which the Cultural Secretary Jowell states that she will do everything possible to keep Bond at Pinewood. Maybe this is Eon/Sony's way of playing hardball with the British government, and if Britain gives in everyone will look like a winner: Blair brought Bond back to Britain, the film is made at "historic" Pinewood which will boost the economy, Eon/Sony can ramp up production again for a fall 2006 release (keeping the fans happy), and they can still do location shoots in Prague.

[tdalton]

I'm just going to toss this out: could this "report" from an unamed source actually be a ploy by Eon/Sony to pressure the British government into giving greater tax breaks? On the same day as this Variety report, which focuses a great deal of attention on economic benefits of working in Prague, we have a report from Cannes in which the Cultural Secretary Jowell states that she will do everything possible to keep Bond at Pinewood. Maybe this is Eon/Sony's way of playing hardball with the British government, and if Britain gives in everyone will look like a winner: Blair brought Bond back to Britain, the film is made at "historic" Pinewood which will boost the economy, Eon/Sony can ramp up production again for a fall 2006 release (keeping the fans happy), and they can still do location shoots in Prague.

I like this analysis of the situation. Hopefully this is what's really going on.

[Alex Zamudio]

dunno. The six-and-a-half-year break between LICENCE TO KILL and GOLDENEYE didn't seem to hurt it.

Yes, but the franchise life was on the line, depending on Goldeneye and and new Bond Brosnan's impact on the public to keep the series alive and relevant, a hiatus as long as we will have in CR, makes Bond 21 a make or brake film for the series, it is not the same when the franchise is healthy and in regular production, if long awaited CR fails, it could mean the halt of the movies for a long while, as Batman or Superman...

[Stephenson]

I like this analysis of the situation.  Hopefully this is what's really going on.

I thought it was worth exploring, seeing that Jowell's comments came almost immediately after (and in response to?)the Prague report from Variety.

Have a good night (or good day) everyone, I'm of to see RotS!

[Frankie]

Bond 22 will be in 2007. Bond 21 in January 2007 and Bond 22 in December 2007.

How is that?!

[zencat]

Variety has just published an updated version of the article. The only addition of note is this paragraph.

As recently as a few days ago, Bond's producers were understood still to be juggling their options between Barrandov, Ciudad De La Luz in Alicante, Spain, and South Africa, with a view to start pre-production this summer.

[level007]

If this news is true, then putain de [censuré] fais chier ! (french bad words).
Honestly, i'll be angry at it because EON should have planned this better. From 2002 to 2007 we should have at least one more Bond with Brosnan ! They have problem to find a new bond guy ? what the hell are they going (maybe they see only one guy every week...). I know this may not be the cause of the delay, but if it, i can't believe it ! Back in the time when Connery left after DAF, they didn't spend 5 years looking for a new guy !
I've been a bond fan with the Brosnan era, which theoricaly means, Brosnan is my favorite bond (which is not far from the truth), but the more i think about it the more i tell myself that EON mess up with Bond. B.B. and Wilson didn't listen to their father! i know it's not an easy task to keep such a great series like this alive, but com'on ! Things should have been more planned. And i really don't care that much for the 007 in 2007 (yeah that will be nice for the teaser, but to wait finaly five years just for this, don't count on me).

okay, calm down level... lol

this is may even be untrue.
Hey maybe Variety was wrong ! Maybe they are starting the movie this summer to be released on summer 06! Okay, i am dreaming, but hey, this could be technicaly possible (already have a director, a place to shoot the movie, a story taken from the book, and maybe a new bond..)

i need to sleep...

Edited by level007, 18 May 2005 - 01:02 AM.

[Tarl_Cabot]

Bummer but summer 2007 will have Spiderman 3, Bourne 3 and now Bond...I'm ok with this news since it returns Bond to summer season again where he belongs.

[Roger Moore's Bad Facelift]

There's too much down time right now, and I sure hope that nobody at EON is getting paid right now, because there's not a bit of work being done in those offices.

Y'know, I find you to make just waaaay too many dogmatic assertions around here. Every other post out of your mouth is either "Cubby is God" or "Mike & Babs have shot the series straight to hell".
There's no middle ground with you.
When was the last time you genuinely enjoyed yourself at a Bond film?
1962's "Dr. No"?
What a consumate pessimist.

In regards to the delay you fail to take into account that Campbell had to do post production work on Zorro 2. You also fail to take into account that after he's done with Zorro and looks at CR, he might bring in an outside writer or two to do a brush up. Also, just because this movie is based on a novel, the creative process isn't necessarily expediated (as you so claim). As I recall, there is not all that much plot even in CR for P&W to work with. They have to inflate the story to make a satisfying 2 hour movie out of it.
These things take time.

Edited by Roger_Moore's_Bad_Facelift, 18 May 2005 - 01:27 AM.

[Roger Moore's Bad Facelift]

The fact that they've had so much trouble just casting a James Bond shows that they are not the least bit capable of getting two films off the ground and into theaters in the same year.

More baseless negativity.
Frankly, you don't know if EON has had problems casting the new James Bond or not.
All that EON has let known is that they're not letting anything be known (minus the formal Campbell-is-our-director announcement).
I personally believe that the pivotal Bond casting decision (along with many of the primary creative decisions) will be made in collaboration with the film's director, Campbell.

Edited by Roger_Moore's_Bad_Facelift, 18 May 2005 - 01:53 AM.