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[Kingdom Come]

I think Ford is in his 60s so how can any of you say with a straight face you are looking forward to the new film!!! poor Roger was in his 50s and most of you lambasted him for his age. . .

[Loomis]

I think Ford is in his 60s so how can any of you say with a straight face you are looking forward to the new film!!!

Easily.

[Turn]

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It's also hard to buy the relationship between Indy and his father. The film doesn't provide a good explanation for why they haven't talked in many years. After all, both are world class archaeology geeks - why didn't they get on like a house on fire? "You left just as you were becoming interesting," Jones, Sr. tells his son. But hold on: why wouldn't Jones, Sr. have found the Phoenix-era Indy "interesting"? Okay, it's been a while since I last saw LAST CRUSADE, and I suppose it's all tied together somehow, but the Indy/Jones, Sr. relationship just seems contrived and poorly-written.

If the movie had had "the suave, aging fine wine grey haired stud of NSNA", they could have had a little reference in the script to, say, Jones, Sr. having an affair way back when and thus breaking up the family, and Indy carrying a lot of hatred for his father for years for that reason. Would have made Jones, Sr. a rather less sympathetic character, of course (but do we really want to see Connery as a whiter-than-white character? Isn't he a lot better as the dangerous alpha male who can't help himself when it comes to beautiful women?), and would have brought a little more darkness to the film, but I think it would have been a lot more convincing.

And that's a big problem with THE LAST CRUSADE: it's too much of an overreaction to the perceived darkness and horror of TEMPLE OF DOOM. Like quite a few Spielberg films, it's just too sugary.

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The Indy-Henry relationship was one of the many "dad" issues Spielberg is very hung up on, which is why it turned out that way. Actually, I really like that Connery doesn't have to act like Connery in this one. It's one of the few movies I've watched where he doesn't play a version of himself and it's refreshing to me.

What really burns me about Last Crusade is how the other characters, Sallah and Marcus, are turned into bumbling buffoons. If Henry is supposed to be that way, why does everybody else? I like the comic tone though, it works. We have have one straight adventure, a dark adventure, then a comic one. Good trilogy.

[Loomis]

What really burns me about Last Crusade is how the other characters, Sallah and Marcus, are turned into bumbling buffoons. If Henry is supposed to be that way, why does everybody else? I like the comic tone though, it works. We have have one straight adventure, a dark adventure, then a comic one. Good trilogy.

The buffoonery of Jones, Sr., Marcus and Sallah annoys me, too - they're all essentially playing the same (stupid) character. You think: why the heck does Indiana Jones want to know these lamebrains? I disagree with you on the comic tone - I don't think it works at all - it's tired, unfunny and laid on far too thick. I always hate it when franchises take too much of a lurch towards comedy, becoming little more than episodes of yer fave sitcom, LETHAL WEAPON 3 being a prime example. I wish we'd had another "straight" or "dark" Indiana Jones film, not a "comic" one.

[Righty007]

Indiana Jones will return according to the interview with George Lucas in the May 9, 2005 edition of TIME.

[Qwerty]

But when George?

[Righty007]

But when George?

He said Steven Spielberg is committed to shooting it next year. He also said he got the script yesterday. Yesterday meaning the day before the TIME interview.

[Agent 76]

Indiana Jones with a younger side-kick ?

[Qwerty]

Indiana Jones with a younger side-kick ? 

We had Short Round.

[hrabb04]

I wonder if they can get Tom Selleck to play Indy's long lost brother.

[Blofeld's Cat]

I wonder if they can get Tom Selleck to play Indy's long lost brother.

Great! Then they can help hold each other up.

[Qwerty]

Maybe Connery will come back as his dad again.

[Tarl_Cabot]

I saw 'Raiders of the Lost Ark' 6 times in theaters and countlesss times oin video so I'm as big a fan as anyone but I have zero interest in Indy 4. It's over. Move on to NEW SH**!!


Episodes 7,8, and 9 will do!

[Kingdom Come]

I can remember seeing both For Your Eyes Only and Raiders on the same day in the summer of 81. I didn't like either film. Though FYEO has grown on me. I thought Raiders was about as entertaining as a 'week old sandwich'. Even when I watch it these days it still fails to get me going in any way, shape or form. Now Temple of Doom - that was exciting, fast, furiuus, breathless, cunning, dangerous and colouful - Last Crusade also. For me the star of these three films is, Douglas Slocombe. I think they should not venture back, as with this increasing ageiest society/societies the critics and public will have to mention Ford's age at every turn. Ford is up for it, as stars whose careers are faultering, return to past glorys.

[Blofeld's Cat]

"Raiders of the Lost Ark: The Adaptation"

[Agent 76]

I wonder if they can get Tom Selleck to play Indy's long lost brother.

tom selleck would be "Douglas Jones" the bounty hunter.

[Johnboy007]

www.darkhorizons.com/news05/050530c.php

On the flip side, (Jeff)Nathanson's draft for "Indiana Jones 4" has apparently met with the approval of George Lucas and Steven Spielberg. But before Paramount can do it, Harrison Ford - the third key member of the Indy triumvirate - has to sign off on the script, and he hasn't yet read Nathanson's draft. An earlier effort by Frank Darabont failed to pass muster.

I'd imagine since this script is based off of Darabont's (which Ford and Spielberg approved), and Lucas and Spielberg have accepted it that Ford will too. Hopefully we'll actually be seeing the return of Indiana Jones by 2007.

[Stephenson]

[quote name='Turn' date='3 May 2005 - 14:12']
[quote name='Loomis' date='3 May 2005 - 15:57']

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It's also hard to buy the relationship between Indy and his father. The film doesn't provide a good explanation for why they haven't talked in many years. After all, both are world class archaeology geeks - why didn't they get on like a house on fire? "You left just as you were becoming interesting," Jones, Sr. tells his son. But hold on: why wouldn't Jones, Sr. have found the Phoenix-era Indy "interesting"? Okay, it's been a while since I last saw LAST CRUSADE, and I suppose it's all tied together somehow, but the Indy/Jones, Sr. relationship just seems contrived and poorly-written.

If the movie had had "the suave, aging fine wine grey haired stud of NSNA", they could have had a little reference in the script to, say, Jones, Sr. having an affair way back when and thus breaking up the family, and Indy carrying a lot of hatred for his father for years for that reason. Would have made Jones, Sr. a rather less sympathetic character, of course (but do we really want to see Connery as a whiter-than-white character? Isn't he a lot better as the dangerous alpha male who can't help himself when it comes to beautiful women?), and would have brought a little more darkness to the film, but I think it would have been a lot more convincing.

And that's a big problem with THE LAST CRUSADE: it's too much of an overreaction to the perceived darkness and horror of TEMPLE OF DOOM. Like quite a few Spielberg films, it's just too sugary.

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The Indy-Henry relationship was one of the many "dad" issues Spielberg is very hung up on, which is why it turned out that way. Actually, I really like that Connery doesn't have to act like Connery in this one. It's one of the few movies I've watched where he doesn't play a version of himself and it's refreshing to me.

What really burns me about Last Crusade is how the other characters, Sallah and Marcus, are turned into bumbling buffoons. If Henry is supposed to be that way, why does everybody else? I like the comic tone though, it works. We have have one straight adventure, a dark adventure, then a comic one. Good trilogy.

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I thought the split between the Jones was caused by their very different approaches to archaeology. Jones Sr. was methodical, academic and purely focused on one goal (to the point where it seems that he ignored his son and (according to Indy) his wife). Every one knows how Indy liked to do archaeology. I always thought that it was made quite clear that they hadn't spoken since the death of Indy's mom, and Indy blamed his father (and his obsession) for her death and apparent unhappiness. Like Loomis, I really enjoyed Connery's portrayal of Jones senior and (although he was a little clumsy to be sure) didn't find him to be the bufoon at all. Remember the scene in the tank when the Nazi is slapping him? There was a hard edge for sure! As for Marcus and Sallah? Agree - totally betrayed those characters.

I seem to be in a betting mood lately, so I'll toss this one out to any takers:

Indy will die at the end of 4. (Although it will make it difficult to explain his appearance in the young Indy series).

[tdalton]

Entertainment Weekly's website is reporting that George Lucas and Stephen Spielberg have approved the script for Indiana Jones IV and are waiting for Harrison Ford's approval.

Here's the link:
http://www.ew.com/ew...7_10_0_,00.html

[DLibrasnow]

Ford is too old....They should pick a new actor

[Strangways]

Stephenson, I'll take your bet. The Indy films are "gets the girl and/or rides off into the sunset" adventures. Unless the death is mysterious and unseen (like Frodo's in Lord of the Rings), the hero will live to (dare I say it?) die another day.

The speculation now should be: which characters will reappear in this love-fest get-together? Will Marion return? Will she meet Willie Scott? Do we meet the Americanized and educated Short Round?

And: what will Indy go after? In the previous three films, the main prize is a religious artifact. Raiders= Judaism's Ark of the Covenant; Temple= Hinduism's Shankara Stones; Crusade= Christianity's Holy Grail. Will the next film recover a Muslim or Bhuddist artifact? Or perhaps American Indian?

[Stephenson]

Excellent Srangways!

What will he go after? I'm going to say he will be trying to break into the mysterious and forbidden tomb of Qin Shi Huangdi (even though it wasn't discovered until 1974) in some plot involving communist China and the Cultural Revolution.

[Simon]

Ford is too old....They should pick a new actor

But unlike Bond who has enjoyed life at 40 in perpetuity, and where an 'advancing in years' Moore might have attracted question marks (not from me, mind), if Indy is played as 60 by Ford at 60, what's the big deal?

At this stage, we really don't know how it is going to be presented.

[Loomis]

Ford is too old....They should pick a new actor

Nah, they should get Ford back or not do it at all. I've no interest in seeing anyone else as Indy.

[Johnboy007]

Steven Spielberg has approved the Nathanson script, and Indiana Jones IV is his next project after "Munich".

Indiana Jones - Summer 2007

[Max Zorin]

I'm actually excited about this news. It'll either be fantastic - or terrible. If it's fantastic, then great. If it's not, then what the hell. At least they tried. Raiders is my all time favorite movie, and a mediocre third sequel will not change that.

[Qwerty]

Any news is good news at this point, IMO.

[Blofeld's Cat]

Spielberg has approved the damn script quite a few times it seems.

[Atticus17F]

A Young Indiana Jones film.

Yay.

[Johnboy007]

Then why the hell has it mattered to Lucas and Spielberg if Harrison Ford approved the script, when he's not even going to star? Terrible news if true.

Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.