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#541 Sniperscope

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Posted 20 December 2009 - 11:59 AM

Well, actually old bean i was having a bit of a laugh with my rant really, but nuance is not always possible on the internet and it made me feel a lot better so you needn't disturb yourself unduly over it.
I did as you may perhaps have noted already state a few posts back that Doyle and Richie should be judged on their own merits; hardly sounds like someone who is taking it too seriously, hmm? I'll see the film and judge it for what it is. Capice?


I don't watch Holmes to see a reflection of myself, so why should Richie retroactively apply our values to an era that (uncomfortable as it may be) doesn't share them? This is the case with not only Holmes, but the plethora of "historical" films or tv shows where everyone talks, thinks and acts like we do. What a dull view of the past - and a fraudulent one. The Victorians were not us, in the same way that Japanese insults are not the same in English.


No, you don't really sound like you're joking. Sounds like you're getting worked up over a blockbuster movie: I think you've mistaken this for a historical document (despite being entirely written in the 21st century) when actually it's a bit of Christmas entertainment. Chill yer beans.
As far as I know Holmes could be on a case all through this film: to have him drug-taking during that would be even more against Doyle's character. He didn't shoot up in every story; why can't this be one of those? Or do you need every Holmes story condensed into one?

Can I really be bothered to rise to this kind of wummery?
Did I ever suggest that he should "shoot up" in every story?!
I was refering to Richie's comment re. Holme's addiction and was opining aloud as to how he has seemingly interpreted the character. And yes, for me the original stories are a kind of historical document - in much the same way I imagine Pride And Prejudice works for the ladies. For me that's part of the charm of the stories.
Richie's version seems like a generic action comedy with the pseudo-trappings of the era and a rather cynical attempt to cash in on the reputation of Holmes without having to be bothered with anything so boringly constrictive as being accurate to the character. How ridiculously old fashioned! You make the glib remark about "every story condensed into one" - that would seem to be Richie's film in a nutshell, old son. I've said this (what 3 times now?) I will judge Richie's film on its own merits, but I very much doubt I will see it as Sherlock Holmes (in much the same way as I don't see Young Sherlock Holmes as "Holmes").
And yes it's "Christmas entertainment"and a "blockbuster" which I imagine are some kind of euphemisms for you -perhaps you should consider the low-expectation signification you are attaching to those words, but then again I may get "worked up" if I attempt to divine too closely your application of these phrases.

Edited by Sniperscope, 20 December 2009 - 12:09 PM.


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Posted 20 December 2009 - 01:37 PM

I must admit I'm warming to the idea of Richie's Sherlock Holmes (baring in mind I'm a Holmes maverick) as a silly popcorn movie, even though most of the trailers have been terrible and Richie is certainly no great talent in my estimation.

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Posted 20 December 2009 - 04:49 PM

Man, Holmes fans are worse complainers than Bond fans. :tdown:

You're all spoiled. Holmes fans have had an embarrassment of riches for the past 30 years. We've had beautifully faithful adaptations of the original stories and possibly the best Sherlock of them all in Jeremy Brett, and dozens of follow-ups that aspire to be just as faithful. What we haven't had in many, many years is a big popular Hollywood Sherlock Holmes movie for the masses. Well, we have that now. I for one love seeing gigantic Sherlock Holmes posters all over town and hear how excited people are to experience a romp through Victoria's England with Holmes and Watson. Holmes is hip again!

And if you think this film is the first to play fast and loose with Sherlock's world than you really don't know B), Sherlock. There have been far less faithful takes on Holmes, and Sherlock bounces back just fine. How fast we forget about Sherlock battling WWII Nazi spies through much of the Rathbone era. And lets not forget Clive Brooks' Sherlock chasing down '30s gangsters with his ray gun alongside his teenage daughter.

So take a chill pill and enjoy a big screen Sherlock Holmes film and the Hollywood hype. Because with this film, we now have it ALL. :tdown:

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Posted 20 December 2009 - 05:13 PM

Well said, Zencat.

I used the MONONOKE example to show how sometimes things get lost in translation from one culture to another. When you watch MONONOKE with English subtitles (as I indeed prefer to do) the crotchety monk does insult by saying the stew tastes like water. What I didn't know (until I watched the making of feature on the dvd) is that the insult was supposed to be funny.

In that situation you have to decide what's more important when presenting your movie to wide foreign audience: the LITERAL translation (water) of what's said or the INTENT (make people laugh). The Japanese and indeed every culture does this. It's called knowing your audience.

Chevrolet released a car years ago called the Nova. They made the car available in Mexico and did lots of advertising for it. Billboards, magazines, commercials, the whole lot. No matter what they did they couldn't give the damn cars away in that country.

As it turned out, someone failed to do research on what the term "nova" would mean to a Mexican consumer. "No va" means basically "No go". Duh.

When it comes to Ritchie's SHERLOCK HOLMES movie, I'm willing to bet anything that they hint at Holmes' drug use in the past whilst also indicating that's he's moved on to engaging in other dangerous pursuits to alleviate the boredom. It would be a wasted opportunity not to with Robert Downey, Jr. in the role after all.

Edited by Jackanaples, 20 December 2009 - 05:36 PM.


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Posted 20 December 2009 - 05:54 PM

Meh, I happen to enjoy the Basil Rathbone films. I'm up for Sherlock Holmes vs. Nazis from time to time. I do enjoy the majority of the non-faithful adaptations I've seen, at least to a degree. But there's a reason Dalton is my favorite Bond and the likes of Livanov, Cushing, and Brett are my favorite portrayals of Holmes. They are about as faithful as you can get, even if the stories aren't always the most downright faithful. I just generally prefer seeing a good story with a good character translated to film instead of fun romps involving the characters, or versions of the characters that have been altered. Doesn't mean I dislike the zany romps. There are some deviations I happen to enjoy just as much, or very near to just as much, as the incredibly faithful adaptations, like the two films penned by Alan Cubitt. I just happen to like them less than what the Ruskies or Granada did. And it doesn't mean I love all faithful adaptations, either. The Matt Frewer telefilms are pretty faithful and I find those bordering upon unwatchable.

Like I said, I'm going to see it, I'll probably enjoy it, but it's certainly going nowhere near my favorite Holmes adaptations, judging by the trailers and the first draft of the script.

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Posted 20 December 2009 - 06:02 PM

The Matt Frewer films should have featured a computerised Holmes who stuttered. That would been brilliant.

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Posted 20 December 2009 - 06:07 PM

The Matt Frewer films should have featured a computerised Holmes who stuttered. That would been brilliant.


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Posted 20 December 2009 - 06:52 PM

I'm with you. Brett's Holmes is by far my favorite to the point where it's difficult for me to imagine an actor more perfect for the role. That said, I also enjoy stuff like SHERLOCK: A CASE OF EVIL and YOUNG SHERLOCK HOLMES.

There's room for both in my collection. That said, where can I get a complete set of these Russian Holmes adaptations? Is it available on Region 1 or 2 dvd?

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Posted 21 December 2009 - 02:13 AM

There's room for both in my collection. That said, where can I get a complete set of these Russian Holmes adaptations? Is it available on Region 1 or 2 dvd?


There's a Region 1 set of all six discs on Amazon. Individual discs are available but I don't know if they have subtitles. There are subtitles episodes of The Beginning, The King of Blackmail, and most of the Final Problem on Youtube to which I can provide links. Although these aren't the best quality, they are my favorites. There's a certain life to some of them. I also know of a few episodes -- my two favorites, Final Problem and Empty House, spring to mind -- which have better subtitles and can be found on Google Video. Again, I can provide links. I suggest watching them online first, as the box set ran me up $100, and that was the cheapest seller. I've yet to see anyone who absolutely abhors the Russian series, but if you don't like it enough to spend that kind of money, then you won't feel you've wasted $100 and still have quite a few episodes available whenever you should choose to view them.

The full collection is, by the way, here.

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Posted 21 December 2009 - 02:26 AM

Thanks very much. I actually did some searching earlier today before you responded (and before taking off for work) and bought this set here. Hadn't seen the one you indicated at that time so I hope what I bought is comparable.

I can't wait to see this series. This was sort of a Christmas present to myself.

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Posted 21 December 2009 - 03:14 AM

Thanks very much. I actually did some searching earlier today before you responded (and before taking off for work) and bought this set here. Hadn't seen the one you indicated at that time so I hope what I bought is comparable.

I can't wait to see this series. This was sort of a Christmas present to myself.


So far as I can tell the only difference is it's PAL, and there's a slightly different cover design. So long as the subtitles are in a language you can understand, I'm sure it's quite fine. Hopefully you'll enjoy it. The worst review I've seen was, in a nutshell, "I like it a lot, but I still think Jeremy Brett was better".

And sorry it took me that long to reply. Had to leave right after I posted the smiley face and it was a very long drive.

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Posted 21 December 2009 - 06:54 AM

Dear Lord...It's the next "Joyce, John and Matt" trailer. B)

"They've been flirting like this for years."

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Posted 21 December 2009 - 01:56 PM

No worries, Tybre. It didn't take you too long to reply. I simply thought a couple of minutes and came to the conclusion that I could just Google it myself (and maybe should have before asking).

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Posted 21 December 2009 - 07:05 PM

Man, Holmes fans are worst complainers than Bond fans. :tdown:

You're all spoiled. Holmes fans have had an embarrassment of riches for the past 30 years. We've had beautifully faithful adaptations of the original stories and possibly the best Sherlock of them all in Jeremy Brett, and dozens of follow-ups that aspire to be just as faithful. What we haven't had in many, many years is a big popular Hollywood Sherlock Holmes movie for the masses. Well, we have that now. I for one love seeing gigantic Sherlock Holmes posters all over town and hear how excited people are to experience a romp through Victoria's England with Holmes and Watson. Holmes is hip again!

And if you think this film is the first to play fast and loose with Sherlock's world than you really don't know B), Sherlock. There have been far less faithful takes on Holmes, and Sherlock bounces back just fine. How fast we forget about Sherlock battling WWII Nazi spies through much of the Rathbone era. And lets not forget Clive Brooks' Sherlock chasing down '30s gangsters with his ray gun alongside his teenage daughter.

So take a chill pill and enjoy a big screen Sherlock Holmes film and the Hollywood hype. Because with this film, we now have it ALL. :tdown:


Well said, with some much-needed perspective. I'd say Sherlock's deep--and man--enough to enjoy allowing some fresh new liberties taken with him.

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Posted 22 December 2009 - 05:01 AM

Here's a fairly spoiler-free review of SHERLOCK HOLMES from Drew McWeeny a.k.a. "Moriarty" back when he wrote for Ain't It Cool. It's a thoughtful and extremely positive review. He clearly saw the movie that I thought Ritchie was making all along and I am doubly excited to see it now:

One of the most interesting things about reading "Sherlock Holmes" reviews so far is realizing just how little most people know about the actual Sir Arthur Conan Doyle version of the character, and just how completely the Hollywood interpretation of that character has become the "real one" for the majority.

When Harry Knowles branded me with the nickname "Moriarty" all those years ago, it was because I was a snide smartass who sent him e-mails discrediting this bit of information or that bit of information. I wasn't even trying to become a contributor to his site... I just wanted to take my shots at him and then move on. Harry somehow saw past my original snark, though, and invited me further and further into the fabric of AICN, turning me from a jerk with an opinion into... well... a jerk with a job, I guess. Over the years, people have assumed that I picked the name because I was a huge fan of the character, but that's not the case. It was actually the other way around.

One side-effect of being named "Moriarty" is that I've been sent enough Sherlock Holmes material over the years to start a museum. And over the years, I've read the full Arthur Conan Doyle several times, front to back. It's a brisk read each time, and each time, I'm struck by just how modern a creation he is, even viewed from a 21st century perspective. There's a reason people find themselves compulsively hooked on "House," and it's little surprise you can build an entire empire on the kicks afforded by a "CSI." Both have their origins in Sherlock Holmes and his ongoing adventures with his trusted friend, Dr. John Watson. These two characters have been played on film more times by more people than any other literary creations, and the basic formula has been bent and twisted so many times, in so many ways, that most audiences have no idea what the "real" Sherlock Holmes is like. They base their knowledge of the character on a few surface details, and they've been quite vocal about how upset they are by the way Guy Ritchie and Joel Silver and Robert Downey Jr. are "ruining" the character.

Only... they're not.

In fact, I'd say "Sherlock Holmes" represents not a radical reinterpretation of the character, but instead a nearly revolutionary return to the genuine pulp roots of what Doyle originally envisioned. No matter how beloved the stories have become, and no matter how much technical skill Doyle brought to the table (quite a bit, for the record), his stories were pulp adventure that followed a rigorous formula. It's little wonder they have been adapted or reinterpreted for film so many times, since the rules were so clearly laid out over the course of the stories he wrote, and the archetypes so clearly defined. What's amazing is how much they changed in what are now thought of as the "classic" film versions, while here, they've reverted to the text as much as possible and suddenly it seems to the general public like they've reinvented Holmes. I don't think most audiences will care, though, because what Guy Ritchie has done, working with a small army of screenwriters and a team of dedicated producers, is tap into the pure pulp adventure spirit of the stories in a way that should leave audiences worn out from being entertained.

The first thing they got absolutely right was the casting of Robert Downey Jr. and Jude Law. And it's not one or the other, but the two of them together. Downey is able to bring all of his twitchy brainy energy to the role, and Law seems to have finally found the perfect showcase for the particular dry charm that Hollywood has so completely failed to utilize. Their chemistry is dead right, and they seem to take enormous pleasure from the back-and-forth between them. This is one of the original buddy acts, and the dynamic here is exactly what it should be, played at a moment where that dynamic is put to a genuine test. Sherlock is a brilliant man, with a mind that needs a puzzle to engage it, or, preferably, dozens of puzzles at once. When he's got something to do, Sherlock is alive, acute, practically bristling with energy. When he's got nothing to occupy himself, Sherlock turns inward, and introspection is not the healthiest of pursuits for him. He slips into a lethargy that borders on self-destruction. Watson serves as the perfect companion for Holmes in both modes. When Holmes is on a case and up, Watson is the ideal sounding board, a smart but rigid man whose way of seeing things gives Holmes something to bounce off of, and whose constant queries force Holmes to be able to explain his seemingly-magic leaps of logic. When Holmes is in depressive mode, Watson is the one person who is able to steer Holmes through with minimal damage to himself or others.

So when Watson meets Mary (Kelly Riley), the woman he intends to marry, it threatens to rip a hole in the perfect life that Holmes has created for himself. This was one of the things Doyle did in the series as it wore on, and the decision to start this new incarnation of the story here is an interesting one. In some ways, this feels like a sequel where we never saw part one, and that's going to possibly throw some people. As much as critics repeatedly say they're tired of origin stories, for many audiences, this will be their introduction to the world of Holmes, so the easiest way to make sure everyone follows everything would have been to go back to the moment where a freshly-discharged Watson returns home from military service and ends up moving into a flat with Holmes. By starting it where they do, these filmmakers take the relationship between Holmes and Watson as a given, and the film is all about the obstacles thrown in the path of that partnership. One is a mystery, one is a marriage, and another is a woman with an agenda. The way these three threads play out is witty and nimble, and the script credited to Michael Robert Johnson, Anthony Peckham, and Simon Kinberg (from a story by Johnson and producer Lionel Wigram) keeps all those balls in the air with little effort. It's a busy film, but it's not a confusing film, and a big part of that is because of Guy Ritchie.

I enjoyed Ritchie's first few films, "Lock Stock & Two Smoking Barrels" and "Snatch," but I wouldn't argue that either one is a great film. They are slick, scrappy little movies that have a huge energy to them, and that's what made them charming. But since then, Ritchie has been adrift. I would argue that "Swept Away" and "Revolver" are both wretched films, movies I would never want to revisit, and even if "RockNRolla" was more fun, it still seemed like a narrative step backwards, a retreat to familiar ground. Overall, Ritchie's always seemed like a stylist in search of a subject, and with Sherlock Holmes, it's finally clicked into place. Ritchie's obsessions as a director include playing with time in order to explain that what you think you saw isn't actually what you saw, the way perception plays tricks on us. That's exactly right for a movie in which Sherlock's deductive skills leapfrog him past everyone else in the room, forcing him to back up and explain how he reached a conclusion. Instead of just sitting in a drawing room and listening to Sherlock explain everything in long monologues of exposition, Ritchie walks us through things visually, and it keeps the film pulsing forward with the same edgy energy that we see in the action scenes.

Oh, yes... the action scenes. This is probably the most controversial choice made with this new run at the character, and it shouldn't be. After all, Conan Doyle himself wrote the ultimate confrontation between the genius of Holmes and the genius of his arch-enemy Moriarty as a fistfight above a waterfall. Doyle has always been clear about the fact that Holmes was trained in Brazilian martial arts and the rules of boxing, both Queensbury and street, which makes sense. Why wouldn't a genius who frequently puts himself in harm's way learn how to handle himself physically? And in particular, why wouldn't he learn martial arts, where how you think is as important as how strong you are? There's an early sequence where Sherlock, despondent over a disastrous dinner with Watson and his fiancee, goes to a boxing match to distract himself. He toys with his much larger opponent in the ring for a while, until he gets distracted for a moment, then laid flat. When he tries to walk away, the man spits on the back of Sherlock's head, and Ritchie freezes the action, slows everything down, and then Holmes thinks his way through the dismantling of the man. How he's going to disorient him, then cause him such staggering pain that he can't fight back, and then put him down for good. When Ritchie returns to real-time, Holmes does exactly what he thought about, but in real-time, and sure enough, the guy goes down. This happens a few times in the film, and each time, there are particular things Holmes needs to accomplish, and Ritchie shows us how a smart man who's not a superhero might pull it off. That's what Holmes brings to the action scenes that's different than the norm, and it really pays off.

Mark Strong continues his march toward world domination with another great, seemingly effortless performance here as Lord Blackwood, who comes across as a well-heeled Alistair Crowley, a man acutely aware of the value of a supernatural threat. His labrynthine plot is a little bit Guy Fawkes, a little bit Damien Thorn, and Strong makes himself a menace in every scene without ever once stopping to twirl the mustache with some obvious choice. That's why I love Strong. Yes, he's playing somewhat routine bad-guy roles like this or Frank in "Kick-B)," but what he does with them is the exact opposite of "obvious." He's a hell of a good actor, and he elevates everything he does these days.

Rachel McAdams costars as Irene Adler, whose one appearance in the Doyle stories saw her besting Holmes in a battle of the wits, and she makes the perfect foil for him in the film. Sherlock's not drawn to women for surface reasons, but the idea of a woman whose beauty is just as provocative as her brain? Catnip. She knows it, too, and plays him like a violin from the moment she arrives in the movie. How she relates to the primary mystery involving Lord Blackwood, the Satan-worshipping royal whose death by hanging kicks off the film is something that isn't clear at first, but gradually, it's revealed that she's working for someone, and that what she wants and what her employer wants may not be the same thing at all. It's smart to make this her storyline because it sets up a reason to bring her back in future films organically. It's obvious that her employer is the main villain of the franchise, but by keeping him in the shadows in this film, Ritchie and company have given themselves somewhere to go.

And go and go and go, if the energy of this one is anything to judge by. The film starts in the middle of a chase sequence at the end of a case and then keeps ramping up with each new sequence, eventually building a stand-off atop a bridge under construction. Ritchie and his production team, including cinematographer Philippe Rousselot and production designer Sarah Greenwood, have conjured up a London that is devoid of any romantic nostalgia. It's amazing how few filmmakers have ever attempted to bring to life the grimy, disgusting, nigh-uninhabitable hellscape that was London at the end of the 1800s. There's a fantastic novel by Dan Simmons called Drood, about the relationship between Charles Dickens and Wilkie Collins, that evokes every sight and scent in nauseating detail, but filmmakers always tend to shy away from those things. Ritchie does his best, though, to get it right and it adds to the eccentric character of the film just as much as the bombastic and exhilarating score by Hans Zimmer, one of the best he's ever written. It's out there, filled with percussive noise and bizarre instrumentation, but it works well, complementing the film in any number of ways.

If you want to see the old Basil Rathbone version of Holmes, or if your loyalty lies exclusively with the Jeremy Brett interpretation, or if you want a genuine reinvention/subversion like "Murder by Decree" or "The Seven Per-cent Solution," I can understand that, and I would warn you to stay away from this one. If, on the other hand, it's the character you love and you'd like to see someone try to reclaim it from one overbearing interpretation, a la what happened with Daniel Craig and "Casino Royale," then I'd advise you to check out "Sherlock Holmes" as soon as it opens. It is an uncommonly spry thriller, both mentally and physically, and positively drunk on the work of Arthur Conan Doyle. It may not be a Holmes for everyone, but Holmes it is. Undeniably.


Edited by Jackanaples, 22 December 2009 - 05:02 AM.


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Posted 22 December 2009 - 05:26 AM

This article's even more awesome, stating that Sherlock Holmes is, in fact, the revival of the '80s buddy-cop movie: http://www.cracked.c...torian-clothes/ B)

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Posted 22 December 2009 - 12:13 PM

Revival? I wasn't aware it had ever really gone away.

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Posted 22 December 2009 - 02:46 PM

Revival? I wasn't aware it had ever really gone away.

Well, it had certainly fallen by the wayside; did you even check out the article?

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Posted 22 December 2009 - 04:42 PM

Yes, I read your precious article B) But to me, calling this a revival of the 80s buddy cop genre seems like lavishing praise on the film for being a bit ordinary and generic structurally, however fun the film might be. It's not as if buddy cop movies aren't extremely numerous and samey in the first place, and I'm a fan of the genre. In the earlier part of the decade you had a glut of lackluster movies in the buddy cop style; Showtime, I Spy, National Security etc. Puff pieces could have just as easily been written about those films being revivals in an attempt to make them sound more interesting.

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Posted 22 December 2009 - 05:00 PM

Starsky and Hutch, Shanghai Nights, Rush Hour... there have been a few. Mainly starring Owen Wilson and/or Jackie Chan, admittedly.

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Posted 22 December 2009 - 06:12 PM

Here's a fairly spoiler-free review of SHERLOCK HOLMES from Drew McWeeny a.k.a. "Moriarty" back when he wrote for Ain't It Cool. It's a thoughtful and extremely positive review. He clearly saw the movie that I thought Ritchie was making all along and I am doubly excited to see it now:

One of the most interesting things about reading "Sherlock Holmes" reviews so far is realizing just how little most people know about the actual Sir Arthur Conan Doyle version of the character, and just how completely the Hollywood interpretation of that character has become the "real one" for the majority.

When Harry Knowles branded me with the nickname "Moriarty" all those years ago, it was because I was a snide smartass who sent him e-mails discrediting this bit of information or that bit of information. I wasn't even trying to become a contributor to his site... I just wanted to take my shots at him and then move on. Harry somehow saw past my original snark, though, and invited me further and further into the fabric of AICN, turning me from a jerk with an opinion into... well... a jerk with a job, I guess. Over the years, people have assumed that I picked the name because I was a huge fan of the character, but that's not the case. It was actually the other way around.

One side-effect of being named "Moriarty" is that I've been sent enough Sherlock Holmes material over the years to start a museum. And over the years, I've read the full Arthur Conan Doyle several times, front to back. It's a brisk read each time, and each time, I'm struck by just how modern a creation he is, even viewed from a 21st century perspective. There's a reason people find themselves compulsively hooked on "House," and it's little surprise you can build an entire empire on the kicks afforded by a "CSI." Both have their origins in Sherlock Holmes and his ongoing adventures with his trusted friend, Dr. John Watson. These two characters have been played on film more times by more people than any other literary creations, and the basic formula has been bent and twisted so many times, in so many ways, that most audiences have no idea what the "real" Sherlock Holmes is like. They base their knowledge of the character on a few surface details, and they've been quite vocal about how upset they are by the way Guy Ritchie and Joel Silver and Robert Downey Jr. are "ruining" the character.

Only... they're not.

In fact, I'd say "Sherlock Holmes" represents not a radical reinterpretation of the character, but instead a nearly revolutionary return to the genuine pulp roots of what Doyle originally envisioned. No matter how beloved the stories have become, and no matter how much technical skill Doyle brought to the table (quite a bit, for the record), his stories were pulp adventure that followed a rigorous formula. It's little wonder they have been adapted or reinterpreted for film so many times, since the rules were so clearly laid out over the course of the stories he wrote, and the archetypes so clearly defined. What's amazing is how much they changed in what are now thought of as the "classic" film versions, while here, they've reverted to the text as much as possible and suddenly it seems to the general public like they've reinvented Holmes. I don't think most audiences will care, though, because what Guy Ritchie has done, working with a small army of screenwriters and a team of dedicated producers, is tap into the pure pulp adventure spirit of the stories in a way that should leave audiences worn out from being entertained.

The first thing they got absolutely right was the casting of Robert Downey Jr. and Jude Law. And it's not one or the other, but the two of them together. Downey is able to bring all of his twitchy brainy energy to the role, and Law seems to have finally found the perfect showcase for the particular dry charm that Hollywood has so completely failed to utilize. Their chemistry is dead right, and they seem to take enormous pleasure from the back-and-forth between them. This is one of the original buddy acts, and the dynamic here is exactly what it should be, played at a moment where that dynamic is put to a genuine test. Sherlock is a brilliant man, with a mind that needs a puzzle to engage it, or, preferably, dozens of puzzles at once. When he's got something to do, Sherlock is alive, acute, practically bristling with energy. When he's got nothing to occupy himself, Sherlock turns inward, and introspection is not the healthiest of pursuits for him. He slips into a lethargy that borders on self-destruction. Watson serves as the perfect companion for Holmes in both modes. When Holmes is on a case and up, Watson is the ideal sounding board, a smart but rigid man whose way of seeing things gives Holmes something to bounce off of, and whose constant queries force Holmes to be able to explain his seemingly-magic leaps of logic. When Holmes is in depressive mode, Watson is the one person who is able to steer Holmes through with minimal damage to himself or others.

So when Watson meets Mary (Kelly Riley), the woman he intends to marry, it threatens to rip a hole in the perfect life that Holmes has created for himself. This was one of the things Doyle did in the series as it wore on, and the decision to start this new incarnation of the story here is an interesting one. In some ways, this feels like a sequel where we never saw part one, and that's going to possibly throw some people. As much as critics repeatedly say they're tired of origin stories, for many audiences, this will be their introduction to the world of Holmes, so the easiest way to make sure everyone follows everything would have been to go back to the moment where a freshly-discharged Watson returns home from military service and ends up moving into a flat with Holmes. By starting it where they do, these filmmakers take the relationship between Holmes and Watson as a given, and the film is all about the obstacles thrown in the path of that partnership. One is a mystery, one is a marriage, and another is a woman with an agenda. The way these three threads play out is witty and nimble, and the script credited to Michael Robert Johnson, Anthony Peckham, and Simon Kinberg (from a story by Johnson and producer Lionel Wigram) keeps all those balls in the air with little effort. It's a busy film, but it's not a confusing film, and a big part of that is because of Guy Ritchie.

I enjoyed Ritchie's first few films, "Lock Stock & Two Smoking Barrels" and "Snatch," but I wouldn't argue that either one is a great film. They are slick, scrappy little movies that have a huge energy to them, and that's what made them charming. But since then, Ritchie has been adrift. I would argue that "Swept Away" and "Revolver" are both wretched films, movies I would never want to revisit, and even if "RockNRolla" was more fun, it still seemed like a narrative step backwards, a retreat to familiar ground. Overall, Ritchie's always seemed like a stylist in search of a subject, and with Sherlock Holmes, it's finally clicked into place. Ritchie's obsessions as a director include playing with time in order to explain that what you think you saw isn't actually what you saw, the way perception plays tricks on us. That's exactly right for a movie in which Sherlock's deductive skills leapfrog him past everyone else in the room, forcing him to back up and explain how he reached a conclusion. Instead of just sitting in a drawing room and listening to Sherlock explain everything in long monologues of exposition, Ritchie walks us through things visually, and it keeps the film pulsing forward with the same edgy energy that we see in the action scenes.

Oh, yes... the action scenes. This is probably the most controversial choice made with this new run at the character, and it shouldn't be. After all, Conan Doyle himself wrote the ultimate confrontation between the genius of Holmes and the genius of his arch-enemy Moriarty as a fistfight above a waterfall. Doyle has always been clear about the fact that Holmes was trained in Brazilian martial arts and the rules of boxing, both Queensbury and street, which makes sense. Why wouldn't a genius who frequently puts himself in harm's way learn how to handle himself physically? And in particular, why wouldn't he learn martial arts, where how you think is as important as how strong you are? There's an early sequence where Sherlock, despondent over a disastrous dinner with Watson and his fiancee, goes to a boxing match to distract himself. He toys with his much larger opponent in the ring for a while, until he gets distracted for a moment, then laid flat. When he tries to walk away, the man spits on the back of Sherlock's head, and Ritchie freezes the action, slows everything down, and then Holmes thinks his way through the dismantling of the man. How he's going to disorient him, then cause him such staggering pain that he can't fight back, and then put him down for good. When Ritchie returns to real-time, Holmes does exactly what he thought about, but in real-time, and sure enough, the guy goes down. This happens a few times in the film, and each time, there are particular things Holmes needs to accomplish, and Ritchie shows us how a smart man who's not a superhero might pull it off. That's what Holmes brings to the action scenes that's different than the norm, and it really pays off.

Mark Strong continues his march toward world domination with another great, seemingly effortless performance here as Lord Blackwood, who comes across as a well-heeled Alistair Crowley, a man acutely aware of the value of a supernatural threat. His labrynthine plot is a little bit Guy Fawkes, a little bit Damien Thorn, and Strong makes himself a menace in every scene without ever once stopping to twirl the mustache with some obvious choice. That's why I love Strong. Yes, he's playing somewhat routine bad-guy roles like this or Frank in "Kick-B)," but what he does with them is the exact opposite of "obvious." He's a hell of a good actor, and he elevates everything he does these days.

Rachel McAdams costars as Irene Adler, whose one appearance in the Doyle stories saw her besting Holmes in a battle of the wits, and she makes the perfect foil for him in the film. Sherlock's not drawn to women for surface reasons, but the idea of a woman whose beauty is just as provocative as her brain? Catnip. She knows it, too, and plays him like a violin from the moment she arrives in the movie. How she relates to the primary mystery involving Lord Blackwood, the Satan-worshipping royal whose death by hanging kicks off the film is something that isn't clear at first, but gradually, it's revealed that she's working for someone, and that what she wants and what her employer wants may not be the same thing at all. It's smart to make this her storyline because it sets up a reason to bring her back in future films organically. It's obvious that her employer is the main villain of the franchise, but by keeping him in the shadows in this film, Ritchie and company have given themselves somewhere to go.

And go and go and go, if the energy of this one is anything to judge by. The film starts in the middle of a chase sequence at the end of a case and then keeps ramping up with each new sequence, eventually building a stand-off atop a bridge under construction. Ritchie and his production team, including cinematographer Philippe Rousselot and production designer Sarah Greenwood, have conjured up a London that is devoid of any romantic nostalgia. It's amazing how few filmmakers have ever attempted to bring to life the grimy, disgusting, nigh-uninhabitable hellscape that was London at the end of the 1800s. There's a fantastic novel by Dan Simmons called Drood, about the relationship between Charles Dickens and Wilkie Collins, that evokes every sight and scent in nauseating detail, but filmmakers always tend to shy away from those things. Ritchie does his best, though, to get it right and it adds to the eccentric character of the film just as much as the bombastic and exhilarating score by Hans Zimmer, one of the best he's ever written. It's out there, filled with percussive noise and bizarre instrumentation, but it works well, complementing the film in any number of ways.

If you want to see the old Basil Rathbone version of Holmes, or if your loyalty lies exclusively with the Jeremy Brett interpretation, or if you want a genuine reinvention/subversion like "Murder by Decree" or "The Seven Per-cent Solution," I can understand that, and I would warn you to stay away from this one. If, on the other hand, it's the character you love and you'd like to see someone try to reclaim it from one overbearing interpretation, a la what happened with Daniel Craig and "Casino Royale," then I'd advise you to check out "Sherlock Holmes" as soon as it opens. It is an uncommonly spry thriller, both mentally and physically, and positively drunk on the work of Arthur Conan Doyle. It may not be a Holmes for everyone, but Holmes it is. Undeniably.


Thanks for posting this. Wonderfully written, at least the half I read--I want to go into the film knowing as little as possible. For now, it's enough to know that a few resident poops are all wet.

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 04:15 AM

Been meaning to post this for a while but kept getting distracted by other business, so pardon the lateness and by now slightly off-topicness.

Biggest issue with the replacement of the cocaine with alcohol is thus:
Cocaine is a stimulant.
Alcohol is a depressant.

They're entire opposites of one another. And it's not as if Holmes' drug habit was just a simple flaw. Holmes used cocaine to excite the mind when he had nothing to challenge it. Alcohol would achieve quite the opposite effect. Thus Holmes' drinking himself into a stupor makes no sense. Now, of course, they may have since changed it from alcohol to something else, but it just won't sit well with me unless that something is a stimulant.

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 08:14 AM

Been meaning to post this for a while but kept getting distracted by other business, so pardon the lateness and by now slightly off-topicness.

Biggest issue with the replacement of the cocaine with alcohol is thus:
Cocaine is a stimulant.
Alcohol is a depressant.

They're entire opposites of one another. And it's not as if Holmes' drug habit was just a simple flaw. Holmes used cocaine to excite the mind when he had nothing to challenge it. Alcohol would achieve quite the opposite effect. Thus Holmes' drinking himself into a stupor makes no sense. Now, of course, they may have since changed it from alcohol to something else, but it just won't sit well with me unless that something is a stimulant.

You're making the assumption that if Sherlock drinks in the movie then he must be doing so for the same reasons that he used cocaine in the Doyle stories. Instead, consider that there's much of the story that you aren't aware of yet.

As you can see from the trailer, Holmes does drink in the movie. As it turns out he has a good reason for doing so at that point in the story that doesn't conflict with Doyle in that regard.

Edited by Jackanaples, 23 December 2009 - 08:34 AM.


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Posted 23 December 2009 - 11:47 AM

As you can see from the trailer, Holmes does drink in the movie. As it turns out he has a good reason for doing so at that point in the story that doesn't conflict with Doyle in that regard.

I just don't see the point in justifying any of Riche's Holmes with ACD. You can take any moment from the stories and extrapolate them into major character traits for the sake of a story. Richie has done this and good luck to him I suppose. Yet, although I understand the reasoning, I still assert that the avoidance of Holmes' habit (which is more commented upon in the stories, than his supposed "combat skills") is extremely cowardly on the part of Richie...


BTW - an interesting review from AICN which does make me look forward to many aspects of this film I must admit. Having said that I do frequently visit AICN but I find their reviewers to be a little less than impartial towards directors or stars who give them "exclusives." Both Richie and RDJ have been very forthcoming with Moriarty in this regard, so in many ways I would wholly expect such a gushing write-up.
For me, Moriarty's comment on the life-or-death struggle between his nickname-sake and Holmes in THE FINAL PROBLEM is a lame justification for Richie's action sequences and is really stretching to logically justify the film's vision with Doyle.
The reason why Holmes and Moriarty "fight" is because this is the last resort the two men are given. (But really it's never described as more than a clumsy wrestle in which Holmes simply "slipped through his grip" to send his foe over the edge!) They have checkmated each other with their wits and intelligence and the irony is that they are reduced to animals in order to overcome the other. (The other notion, as reported in this review, that Holmes does some boxing to "unwind" is a bit of an insult to the character really...)

At the end of the day I would probably be happier if Richie and RDJ just came out and said - "Sod it, this is our film and we couldn't really give a toss about the canon." In some ways that's what Rathbone's Holmes did!
I actually would respect that a lot more because I could watch the movie with no preconceptions or canon baggage at all. But instead there is this constant, flimsy justification with the stories by reviewers and the production staff which doesn't really wash with me.

Edited by Sniperscope, 23 December 2009 - 11:52 AM.


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Posted 23 December 2009 - 03:56 PM

As you can see from the trailer, Holmes does drink in the movie. As it turns out he has a good reason for doing so at that point in the story that doesn't conflict with Doyle in that regard.

I just don't see the point in justifying any of Riche's Holmes with ACD. You can take any moment from the stories and extrapolate them into major character traits for the sake of a story. Richie has done this and good luck to him I suppose. Yet, although I understand the reasoning, I still assert that the avoidance of Holmes' habit (which is more commented upon in the stories, than his supposed "combat skills") is extremely cowardly on the part of Richie...



You still don't sound like you're joking to me! It's like saying that if he doesn't play a violin it's not a Homes story: you don't have to fit every cliche in there to be a decent stab at Holmes. I'm just not bothered- I've seen, read and heard so many Holmes stories (very much including the Doyles) where he doesn't take a needle that it just doesn't matter to me.

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 06:33 PM

Ritchie has said that Holmes will not use cocaine in the movie. What if it's said/implied/referred to that he has taken cocaine in the past? This would would be a natural thing to do with Robert Downey, Jr. who had his own famous cocaine habit years ago.

I'm not an expert on the canon, but did Holmes use cocaine in the later stories as well? Or only the early ones? I was under the impression that he stopped doing it at some point.

Edited by Jackanaples, 23 December 2009 - 06:36 PM.


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Posted 23 December 2009 - 06:49 PM

Holmes used cocaine to excite the mind when he had nothing to challenge it. Alcohol would achieve quite the opposite effect.


Doyle would have probably been livid at the idea of Holmes hitting the bottle. His own father was a deadbeat alcoholic, and the Holmes stories are often feature repulsive drunkards who usually commit their most violent crimes while on the sauce.

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 07:54 PM

Does anyone have any information about the availability of Eille Norwood's Holmes films? The recently released DVD set Sherlock Holmes: The Archive Collection has Norwood's version of The Man With The Twisted Lip (1921), and Grapevine Video has available a public domain disc that has Lip and The Dying Detective(1921) and The Devil's Foot (1921).

But these are hardly all that is left--nearly all of Norwood's films apparently have survived (a miraculous feat when you consider that more than 75% of the films made before 1930 have been lost). Norwood played Holmes more times than anyone else onscreen, and the BFI has the following titles in their vaults:

His Last Bow (1923)
Silver Blaze (1923)
The Blue Carbuncle (1923)
The Cardboard Box (1923)
The Crooked Man (1923)
The Disappearance of Lady Frances Carfax (1923)
The Engineer's Thumb (1923)
The Final Problem (1923)
The Gloria Scott (1923)
The Missing Three Quarter (1923)
The Mystery of Thor Bridge (1923)
The Sign of Four (1923)
The Speckled Band (1923)
The Stone of Mazarin (1923)
The Three Students (1923)
Black Peter (1922)
Charles Augustus Milverton (1922)
The Abbey Grange (1922)
The Boscombe Valley Mystery (1922)
The Bruce Partington Plans (1922)
The Red Circle (1922)
The Golden Pince-Nez (1922)
The Greek Interpreter (1922)
The Musgrave Ritual (1922)
The Naval Treaty (1922)
The Norwood Builder (1922)
The Red Circle (1922)
The Reigate Squires (1922)
The Second Stain (1922)
The Six Napoleons (1922)
The Stockbroker's Clerk (1922)
A Case of Identity (1921)
A Scandal in Bohemia (1921)
The Beryl Coronet (1921)
The Copper Beeches (1921)
The Empty House (1921)
The Noble Bachelor (1921)
The Priory School (1921)
The Red-Headed League (1921)
The Resident Patient (1921)
The Solitary Cyclist (1921)
The Tiger of San Pedro (1921) (An adaptation of Doyle's "Wisteria Lodge")
The Yellow Face (1921)
The Hound of the Baskervilles (1921)

Several of these films are adaptations of stories that were never adapted for the Brett series and may have never been adapted before or since, including "The Engineer's Thumb," "The Gloria Scott," "The Missing Three Quarter," "The Three Students," "Black Peter," "The Reigate Squires," "The Stockbroker's Clerk," "A Case of Identity," "The Beryl Coronet" and "The Yellow Face." I'm especially eager to see the last one, considering what a unique story it is.

We don't know how many of the Norwood films held by the BFI are complete or what condition they're in, but surely these films are worth further investigation and deserve release on DVD. We do know that The Sign of Four is complete and in good shape, since it was publicly screened this year at Le Giornate del Cinema Muto, the great silent film festival held in Italy. Here are the excellent program notes, written by Jay Weissberg:

Arguably the best of the surviving Sherlock Holmes silent features, The Sign of Four shows off the Stoll Film Company’s capacity for producing high-budget dramas with visual flair, in contrast to their posthumous reputation for stolidly conceived literary adaptations. The film is also an excellent example of Maurice Elvey’s skills not just as director but writer, reworking the Conan Doyle novel in a way especially sensitive to cinematic narration. Variety’s critic Gore heaped praise, enthusing, “This new Stoll picture…is one of the best screen melodramas this firm has made. Keeping well to Sir Arthur Conan Doyle’s story, the film runs smoothly and is full of grip and thrill. Maurice Elvey has seized every opportunity the story gives and the result is a ‘Sherlock Holmes’ story which is fine entertainment of the strong, sensational type.”

Elvey first tackled the Holmes tales with the 1921 series The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes and, in the same year, the feature The Hound of the Baskervilles. In line with Stoll’s shrewd policy of tie-ins, The Sign of Four was released to coincide with the final episodes of The Last Adventures of Sherlock Holmes, Stoll’s follow-up series directed by George Ridgwell. While Elvey doesn’t stick quite as close to the original as Gore implies, he’s nevertheless faithful to the spirit of the book, capturing a lightness of tone often absent in earlier film adaptations. This is true not simply for Holmes himself (more on that below), but for the general tone, conveyed through often wry intertitles which occasionally spill into distinctly non-Conan Doyle territory.

The film is well-paced and beautifully edited, not merely in the famous chase sequence on the Thames. While Conan Doyle wraps up his narration with an extended flashback that puts all the characters in place, Elvey minimizes the traditional flashback structure (there are a few scattered about), integrating the strands and choosing a superimposition device that keeps the action moving forward while explaining Holmes’ logic. Gore was so taken by this method that he singles it out for praise: “Another effective innovation is when the detective is explaining things to his friend Watson, the explanation aided by ‘ghost’ effects instead of the usual irritating ‘flash backs’. Some new camera effects are also used for the first time, including a great improvement on the usual ‘fade out.’”

One of the key results of the superimposition device is that it enables the audience to clearly follow Holmes’ line of reasoning while keeping the focus on the great man himself, furthering the identification with the character that’s such a vital element of the stories. The reader/viewer is encouraged to think they too can be master sleuths, provided they cultivate the necessary qualities as spelled out in the novel of The Sign of Four: observation, deduction, and knowledge. Watson makes this link explicit by asking himself “What would Holmes do?”, prompting the viewer to mentally answer back in the style of their idol, while Elvey furthers the pact between Holmes and his audience of would-be detectives by having Holmes turn to the camera and exclaim, via an underlined intertitle, “This is going to be exciting.”

And exciting it is, culminating in a thrilling pursuit on the Thames. Elvey slightly changes the original by adding a car chase (Conan Doyle complained in his memoirs about such updates), though the extratextual modification is organically integrated and allows the director to indulge in even more London sightseeing than would strictly be possible via the river. It’s worth quoting Elvey’s description of the shoot:

“Twenty-nine separate days, spread over a period of some weeks, were occupied in obtaining ideal effects… The screen does not reveal the difficulties under which we worked, nor does it indicate the material used in obtaining what I required. Though only one yacht and four launches appear in the picture, seven yachts were requisitioned. The Thames is a tidal river, and the varying times of the tides and the varying speed and roughness of the water rendered taking difficult. Particularly did we discover the latter fact when using the light motor racing boats, brought in from Monte Carlo for the purpose. Heavy seas were often running in the lower reaches, but patience was eventually rewarded.”

In her work on Stoll, Nathalie Morris discusses Elvey’s emulation of American methods, partly necessitated by the company’s desire to stoke an ever-increasing U.S. demand for Sherlock Holmes product in a style considered most sellable in the States. There’s something of an irony here, considering Stoll’s foundation in 1918 as a company created to present “British films by British producers, breathing the British spirit”, but as Morris states, Stoll’s methods were to promote Britishness via American models, initially through marketing strategies and production methods but occasionally, as with The Sign of Four, even emulating a certain perceived U.S. studio style. Elvey himself temporarily moved to America, and Fox, one year later.

With 45 series episodes and two features (plus stage adaptations), the star Eille Norwood became as identified with Holmes as William Gillette, and though it’s now impossible to make comparisons, Norwood certainly feels right. Conan Doyle himself was delighted with the actor, stating in his memoirs: “He has that rare quality that can only be described as glamour, which compels you to watch an actor eagerly even when he is doing nothing. He has the brooding eye which excites expectation and has also a quite unrivalled power of disguise.” Here in The Sign of Four he also enjoys Holmes’ dry wit, revealing an almost pixieish humor that makes the outwardly strict man of science so appealing. One major change in casting from the previous Stoll incarnations was Arthur Cullin as Watson, considered a more plausible romantic partner(!!) for the comely Isobel Elsom (then married to Elvey) than their regular Watson, Hubert Willis. Cullin was no stranger to the role, essaying Holmes’ right-hand man in Samuelson’s 1916 The Valley of Fear, opposite H.A. Saintsbury.


So while changes were made and extra action was added to the original, they were mostly at the service of streamlining and enhancing Doyle's story and remain true to its spirit. Especially revealing are Doyle's praise of Norwood and his only complaint, regarding the 1920s anachronisms. This negates the "kill him or marry him" quote sometimes bandied about by those who think Doyle didn't care about how his character was handled. When Doyle sent his telegram to Gillette he considered himself done with Holmes (having recently killed off the character) and knew that Gillette would seek to change things. But later on, after resurrecting Holmes, Doyle saw that faithful adaptations of his stories were possible and became concerned with their veracity. Anyway, I'll move on and conclude by noting that Norwood's version of "The Final Problem" is also complete and in good shape, since it was also screened this year in Italy. Here are excerpts from Mr. Weissberg's notes:

The tone of The Final Problem sets it apart from all other episodes in Stoll’s three Sherlock Holmes series. From the very opening there’s an urgency, a desperation in Eille Norwood’s Holmes that comes as something of a shock after his usual masterful calm, or playful excitement. Unusually for Norwood, known for being a stickler for the original text, he increases the character’s exterior tension, conveying a sense of dread from the very start of the tale even though the finale is already well known. Before now no one had dared film the emotional story climaxing with the death of the world’s most popular detective, and not until Granada Television’s 1985 episode in their series The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes did anyone take up the challenge again...

...Audiences in 1923 naturally knew their beloved hero wasn’t really dead, but even so his fall at the end of The Final Problem generates a powerful emotional tug. It’s a tribute to Conan Doyle’s economy of style that it takes a shorter time to read the story than watch the film, though the latter certainly doesn’t drag. The scriptwriters made a number of changes from the original, turning Watson into an eyewitness to all events and including a scene of the police rounding up Professor Moriarty’s gang, but most noticeable is a change of setting: Stoll couldn’t very well send a film crew to Reichenbach Falls, so they moved Holmes’ demise to the cliffs at Cheddar Gorge, which George Ridgwell makes suitably dramatic. The Final Problem marked not only the master detective’s demise, but the end of the three series by Stoll. As saddened as audiences must have been, there was a nice consolation: The Sign of Four would be released just a few months later.


Edited by Revelator, 23 December 2009 - 07:58 PM.


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Posted 23 December 2009 - 09:20 PM

As you can see from the trailer, Holmes does drink in the movie. As it turns out he has a good reason for doing so at that point in the story that doesn't conflict with Doyle in that regard.

I just don't see the point in justifying any of Riche's Holmes with ACD. You can take any moment from the stories and extrapolate them into major character traits for the sake of a story. Richie has done this and good luck to him I suppose. Yet, although I understand the reasoning, I still assert that the avoidance of Holmes' habit (which is more commented upon in the stories, than his supposed "combat skills") is extremely cowardly on the part of Richie...


You still don't sound like you're joking to me! It's like saying that if he doesn't play a violin it's not a Homes story: you don't have to fit every cliche in there to be a decent stab at Holmes. I'm just not bothered- I've seen, read and heard so many Holmes stories (very much including the Doyles) where he doesn't take a needle that it just doesn't matter to me.


Not every post I write needs to be contiguous with the tone of the previous murphy old son! No jokes with that post!
You think Holmes' violin playing is a "cliche"!? Hmmm...
Would you claim that any hobby you might have is a cliche and not an integral part of your own character?
I think the deerstalker is a cliche as are over-repeated catch-phrases like "Elementary my dear Watson" or "The game is afoot!"
The violin playing is part of Holmes' character because it allows a dimension to his behaviour and an emotional range that gives him depth. So too does his habit...

Ritchie has said that Holmes will not use cocaine in the movie. What if it's said/implied/referred to that he has taken cocaine in the past? This would would be a natural thing to do with Robert Downey, Jr. who had his own famous cocaine habit years ago.

I'm not an expert on the canon, but did Holmes use cocaine in the later stories as well? Or only the early ones? I was under the impression that he stopped doing it at some point.


Actually for me honour would probably be satisfied. You are quite right, I don't recall any references outside of the ADVENTURES series, but really, after THE HOUND and with his well-known disinterest in his creation, ACD seemed less than interested in giving Holmes any particular depth at all, don't you think? Everything we know of Holmes as a man is established in THE ADVENTURES and never developed upon at all after that.

Anyway the reason why I first quoted Richie on this issue was that I was a little surprised at his attitude towards the cinema going audience and, IMHO, what is a major flaw in Holmes' character that gave him a tragic humanity.
I don't strictly need it in the film, but you've got to admit that it's all a bit crafty...
On the one hand Richie's vision is valorised with the canon (such as with the AICN review above, and interviews i've read with RDJ - especially when justifying the "action") yet at other times, Richie dismisses it out of hand ("not ready for a cocaine injecting hero") when it seems to compromise the box-office...
That's what happens when you're making a (yet-to-be) "blockbuster" I guess...

Edited by Sniperscope, 23 December 2009 - 09:47 PM.


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Posted 23 December 2009 - 10:42 PM

Not every post I write needs to be contiguous with the tone of the previous murphy old son! No jokes with that post!


Right: so you never take it too seriously; apart from when you do. And when you do, it's presumably my fault. Or something.
And it's Mr Murphy to you.

You think Holmes' violin playing is a "cliche"!? Hmmm...
Would you claim that any hobby you might have is a cliche and not an integral part of your own character?
I think the deerstalker is a cliche as are over-repeated catch-phrases like "Elementary my dear Watson" or "The game is afoot!"
The violin playing is part of Holmes' character because it allows a dimension to his behaviour and an emotional range that gives him depth. So too does his habit...


The benefit of a different medium is that you can paint the same strokes of character in different ways. The violin playing has become a cliche, yes. 'Dimension to his behaviour' and 'emotional range that gives him depth' are such vague terms as to be entirely meaningless- giving him emotions is easily rendered through a multitude of character moments: a hackneyed moment with an actor sawing away on an instrument he can't play is something we've seen so often as to slip into spoof. In that way it is a sort of shorthand most of the audience are already familiar with, but it's far from essential.
Maybe they'll do it, maybe they won't, but it's far from necessary and is certainly not the only way to show his introspective and selfish sides. Holmes is more than all of these little bits and pieces in the same way that we don't need every Bond film to feature 007 wearing a dinner suit, driving an Aston Martin, sleeping with the main Bond girl, going to visit Q and M at HQ, gambling at a casino, asking for a Martinishakennotstirred etc. He's still Bond even if he doesn't do every one of those things in a particular film. Do each of those things 'give him a dimension to his behaviour'? Of course they do. Do other new, original things in the same movies also give him the same dimension? Of course they do. It's ridiculous to say that only drinking a Martini will give him that 'dimension' in the same way that playing an instrument or taking a drug does the same for Holmes.

We're even about to have a (what I'm guessing, from the talent involved, to be a very superior) new Holmes adaptation which leaves the Victorian setting behind for the 21st century. As those guys behind it have said, Holmes can hold up to having all of these details that have built up around him stripped away to expose the really great qualities of the character and his adventures. I'm really excited by it and I'm not going to get upset if a pipe doesn't appear or he doesn't pinch the bridge of his nose enough.



Anyway; here's a nice picture of the recent recording of the third new slice of Holmes we'll getting soon; to be broadcast and released on CD at Easter. It's from the BBC Further Adventures and is called The Marlbourne Point Mystery. Bert Coules, the rather magisterial writer, describes it as 'a dark tale of murder, suicide and lighthouses'. I can't wait B)

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